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What is it about Kevin?
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Aurora13
27-09-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I feel the same. I'm somewhat bemused by the targeting of him. I wouldn't say I've been a huge fan of how his dances have been styled (wardrobe, theme etc) but the content has always been very good and his teaching seems to be of a high standard. He seems to have an excellent relationship with his partners too.

In fact all the Cliftons seem to work extremely well with their celeb partners.

As for who stands where in the line up or clauditorium, I really don't notice or care. ”

He had the audacity to be in a partnership that dared to dance well (enough) to be given good scores by the judges and at times outscored the forum/social media mega favourite. How dare he. He should never have been given a celebrity who could dance. He should have had a duffer. Look he's got to be favoured by show he just couldn't succeed by talent. It's a UK disease.

Like you I'm no huge fan but the targeting of certain dancer/celebrities in the last few years on forums/social media is getting too much.
norbitonite
27-09-2016
I thought he was delightful on ITT tonight.

He and Louise may become my favourites, and not in the Brucie sense.
curvybabes
27-09-2016
I always like Kevin on ITT it's watching him dance that grate's with me, he's either frantic, too twee, dressed up or all three! Just not my thing.
Wiskas2
27-09-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
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He does have an 'over enthusiastic Labrador' style but .....that's just his style - it's early days but it looked a teeeeeeeeeny bit toned down last night.
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More like an overheated Jack Russell that goes for the legs. I just find him intensely annoying.
MaggieMcGee
27-09-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“Hi Lou Louise's launch outfit had quite a racy back though, she seems very comfortable with herself (she should be, she's got a fabulous figure).

No I wasn't keen on Oti's dress either (or Mr Mac but won't go there ).



She looks great in her Jive outfit dancing, totally suitable.

I don't think it's about appearing more 'chaste', just being who she is now. Louise Redknapp, wife and mother, presenter. While she did FHM shoots etc. this was her popstar style in Eternal, she always was 'girl next door'. She moved on from that stage of her career a long time ago and I also think it's fair enough if she doesn't want to present herself as a pin up for the Dads.

Louise is a beautiful woman who looks very natural and has a great personal style. She should wear what she's comfortable dancing in which is what the show is supposed to be about! Their Jive was brilliant on Saturday.”

Really nice post Ochre and I agree with every word, including the little about 'Mr Mac' (unfortunate name!)

I thought Louise looked lovely in her red sailor outfit and it's really nice to see a female, who is facially stunning, not feel the need to flash her body.
MaggieMcGee
27-09-2016
Kevin is my favourite Clifton so I cannot understand the OP (and others of like mind) anymore then they can understand me.

I love his energy and enthusiasm. These qualities irritate others, but they excite me. I think he is amazing at jive and would love the opportunity to jive with him. His jives with Kellie and Louise were not frantic or frenetic. I can see why those words might be levelled at the ones with Susannah and Frankie, but I don't see it as a deficit on his part.

As a Kevin fan I like to see him partnered with a variety of pupils. He seems to attract the late 30's/early 40's fit women at present. It would have been lovely to see him with Lesley as I think he would have been kind to her, which is a not a quality I attribute to Anton.
Monaogg
27-09-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“Kevin is my favourite Clifton so I cannot understand the OP (and others of like mind) anymore then they can understand me.

I love his energy and enthusiasm. These qualities irritate others, but they excite me. I think he is amazing at jive and would love the opportunity to jive with him. His jives with Kellie and Louise were not frantic or frenetic. I can see why those words might be levelled at the ones with Susannah and Frankie, but I don't see it as a deficit on his part.

As a Kevin fan I like to see him partnered with a variety of pupils. He seems to attract the late 30's/early 40's fit women at present. It would have been lovely to see him with Lesley as I think he would have been kind to her, which is a not a quality I attribute to Anton.”

I do think this is part of the problem. Whilst with Susanna one could genuinely say she was an unknown quantity, the partners he has had since have all had some ability. Dealing with the unfit duffers can endear the public to a professional. Sadly this seems to be Anton's role, mostly to the detriment of the person he is partnering. Maybe if Kevin had been partnered with Lesley, the public perception would change. After all, Karen has been very gracious in dealing with the duffers she has had, so he has a good role model.
MaggieMcGee
27-09-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I do think this is part of the problem. Whilst with Susanna one could genuinely say she was an unknown quantity, the partners he has had since have all had some ability. Dealing with the unfit duffers can endear the public to a professional. Sadly this seems to be Anton's role, mostly to the detriment of the person he is partnering. Maybe if Kevin had been partnered with Lesley, the public perception would change. After all, Karen has been very gracious in dealing with the duffers she has had, so he has a good role model.”

Your post would have a point were Kevin master of his choice of partner. But he's not so I don't think the vitriol he attracts is related to this, rather it's a symptom. A vocal number dislike Kevin and one of the rationalisations is that he's given ringers. But it's only a rationalisation to legitimise a dislike, hatred for some, that they have no interest investigating. I'm not interested in the investigation, or lack of it either. I'm a die hard fan and the dislike doesn't touch me but I despise the rationalisations.
CravenHaven
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“Your post would have a point were Kevin master of his choice of partner. But he's not so I don't think the vitriol he attracts is related to this, rather it's a symptom. A vocal number dislike Kevin and one of the rationalisations is that he's given ringers. But it's only a rationalisation to legitimise a dislike, hatred for some, that they have no interest investigating. I'm not interested in the investigation, or lack of it either. I'm a die hard fan and the dislike doesn't touch me but I despise the rationalisations.”

could you say that agane for me, but wivout all dem long wurdz?
sarasarasara
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“Your post would have a point were Kevin master of his choice of partner. But he's not so I don't think the vitriol he attracts is related to this, rather it's a symptom. A vocal number dislike Kevin and one of the rationalisations is that he's given ringers. But it's only a rationalisation to legitimise a dislike, hatred for some, that they have no interest investigating. I'm not interested in the investigation, or lack of it either. I'm a die hard fan and the dislike doesn't touch me but I despise the rationalisations.”

Kevin is a marmite Pro, as is Anton, love or hate, rarely an inbetween with those two. So yeah I suppose that is why they invoke more vitrol than other pros or it seems that way. I guess some might try and rationalise some dislike by hitting at the partner choices given, It doesn't bother me as everyone to their own reasons. I like Kevin though He is just a bit hyper
notdebbiedingle
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“Oh I don't know, some people in GG's appreciation thread want to see Gio voted out asap. Work that one out

Louise was happy to get Kevin so there's no helping her! ”

For the record I'm a fully paid up GG thread member & I can't work it out either!!

Louise would be mad not to be happy with Kevin as a choice of partner as he has taken his last three partners all the way to the final!!
coppertop1
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“I think Kevin does adapt to his partners and think we will see a different Kevin this series personally loved the take he took on the Jive - the track is in the 40's style so dancing it with that feel really fitted and a good way to start for Louise.”

No I don't think he does at all, everyone of his Pasos are very close to one another, Kellie could easily have been Frankie in many of the ballroom dances and Susanna in the Latin.

Also why the obsession with the past, not every dance has to be set in the 40, 50, and 60's? Certainly there is nothing about Loiuse that says, lets style this in the 40s it will suit her.

I actually think this emphasis on nostalgia is a very deliberate plan by Kevin to appeal to older people who seem to take that nice young man.

However I don't think that is his personality at all, off SCD he dresses in leather and more in keeping with Karen, who is a very sexy woman.

I haven't ever liked his style of dance, that's personal preference, I was put off by his over exuberance with Susanna, felt he dominated Frankie who wasn't allowed to shine as herself, as for his partnership with Kellie it just exaggerated everything that I didn't like about both.

Quite frankly he actually should take his queue from Loiuse a really lovely woman, let her shine as herself, don't throw everything and the kitchen sink into every dance.
Nina_Blake
28-09-2016
Kevin is obviously a lovely guy.
He choreographs outside the box, and tries to get the best out of every one of his partners.
He embraces the campness of Strictly with open arms.
He obviously doesn't take him too seriously - no "I'm too cool for this" attitude.
He builds great rapports with his partners.

All of these factors combined evidently mean that Kevin is EVIHHHLL, and should not be tolerated at any cost.
coppertop1
28-09-2016
Do you want to explain to me why you say that, plenty of people on here have given coherent reasons why they don't really like Kevin.
Nowhere has anyone stated he is evil.
In your opinion he is a lovely guy etc

In my opinion I don't really like the way he dances and am not that fond at all of him as a person, I don't think he adapts his style to others and I will become very annoyed if he starts to overshadow Loiuse as he did Frankie.
Nina_Blake
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Do you want to explain to me why you say that, plenty of people on here have given coherent reasons why they don't really like Kevin.
Nowhere has anyone stated he is evil.
In your opinion he is a lovely guy etc

In my opinion I don't really like the way he dances and am not that fond at all of him as a person, I don't think he adapts his style to others and I will become very annoyed if he starts to overshadow Loiuse as he did Frankie.”

Do you mean me? Can't tell.

No, no one has explicitly stated that he is evil, but I was hoping that my mocking spelling of it would indicate that it wasn't intended to be a serious comment. Perhaps I should be less vague in future.

It was however, an assumption on my part. In the same way that assumptions are being made about Kevin's preferences for style clearly being underhanded tactics - and his personality on the show clearly false.

Far be it from me to ever question any double standards on DS though...as you were, people!
bendymixer
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“No I don't think he does at all, everyone of his Pasos are very close to one another, Kellie could easily have been Frankie in many of the ballroom dances and Susanna in the Latin.

Also why the obsession with the past, not every dance has to be set in the 40, 50, and 60's? Certainly there is nothing about Loiuse that says, lets style this in the 40s it will suit her.

I actually think this emphasis on nostalgia is a very deliberate plan by Kevin to appeal to older people who seem to take that nice young man.

However I don't think that is his personality at all, off SCD he dresses in leather and more in keeping with Karen, who is a very sexy woman.

I haven't ever liked his style of dance, that's personal preference, I was put off by his over exuberance with Susanna, felt he dominated Frankie who wasn't allowed to shine as herself, as for his partnership with Kellie it just exaggerated everything that I didn't like about both.

Quite frankly he actually should take his queue from Loiuse a really lovely woman, let her shine as herself, don't throw everything and the kitchen sink into every dance.”

Well as dance teacher if I was given You Really Got Me as a track to do a tango to would have gone for a 60's approach

For jump jive and wail which is very much a boogie woogie track I would also have set it in the 40's too - it just makes sense to me

I think Kevin did not out shine or over dance Louise in their Jive - in fact he show cased her well
Moany Liza
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by Cosya:
“I just don't like him!”

Gosh!

First time I've ever noticed a thread saying negative things about one of the Cliftons!
aggs
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“Your post would have a point were Kevin master of his choice of partner. But he's not so I don't think the vitriol he attracts is related to this, rather it's a symptom. A vocal number dislike Kevin and one of the rationalisations is that he's given ringers. But it's only a rationalisation to legitimise a dislike, hatred for some, that they have no interest investigating. I'm not interested in the investigation, or lack of it either. I'm a die hard fan and the dislike doesn't touch me but I despise the rationalisations.”

The problem on DS - especially it seems on the last series of Strictly - it is just not acceptable to say that you haven't taken to a person as they appear to you through your tele screen. You were virtually ordered to write an essay complete with bullet points and diagrams to explain exactly why you felt like you did which could then be critiqued by someone in great detail pointing out just why you were wrong. Something as nebulous as 'he's just not my cup of tea' was not acceptable, so people have to cast around for other more satisfactory reasons to appease the ones who find he is their cup of tea.

So, for me the ringer arguement isn't a rationalisation to legitimise a dislike, it's a flail around to find something that will be an acceptable reason to others who do like the way he appears to them through their tele screens and can't understand why there's a difference of opinion.
Nina_Blake
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“The problem on DS - especially it seems on the last series of Strictly - it is just not acceptable to say that you haven't taken to a person as they appear to you through your tele screen. You were virtually ordered to write an essay complete with bullet points and diagrams to explain exactly why you felt like you did which could then be critiqued by someone in great detail pointing out just why you were wrong. Something as nebulous as 'he's just not my cup of tea' was not acceptable, so people have to cast around for other more satisfactory reasons to appease the ones who find he is their cup of tea.

So, for me the ringer arguement isn't a rationalisation to legitimise a dislike, it's a flail around to find something that will be an acceptable reason to others who do like the way he appears to them through their tele screens and can't understand why there's a difference of opinion.”

Agreed! Was so hard to critique Jay last year!

A shame people can't let you have your own opinion.
Moany Liza
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by notdebbiedingle:
“What makes you think the problem's with Kevin??”

Quote du jour!
Baz_James
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
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Quite frankly he actually should take his queue from Loiuse .”

Why? What's she waiting for?
MaggieMcGee
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by notdebbiedingle:
“What makes you think the problem's with Kevin??”



Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“Why? What's she waiting for?”

Like your style Baz!
MaggieMcGee
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“The problem on DS - especially it seems on the last series of Strictly - it is just not acceptable to say that you haven't taken to a person as they appear to you through your tele screen. You were virtually ordered to write an essay complete with bullet points and diagrams to explain exactly why you felt like you did which could then be critiqued by someone in great detail pointing out just why you were wrong. Something as nebulous as 'he's just not my cup of tea' was not acceptable, so people have to cast around for other more satisfactory reasons to appease the ones who find he is their cup of tea.

So, for me the ringer arguement isn't a rationalisation to legitimise a dislike, it's a flail around to find something that will be an acceptable reason to others who do like the way he appears to them through their tele screens and can't understand why there's a difference of opinion.”

I think this is further rationalisation. I don't like him or I hate him, as dancing.queen writes, serves its purpose and I have no issue with those who state this. The issue is with those who dislike to loathe him but cannot, will not, just say it because ..? Why? I'm not interested in their why if truth be told; it will be further flapping flumox. Furthermore those who dislike him start threads declaring it and everyone piles in and for what constructive conversation? Exactly! This is his fourth year. He was titled TTF in year one and let's leave it there. The endless machinations from those who dislike him is p*******.
bigbro24
28-09-2016
Kevin turns up, gets on with it, doesn't bitch, shows enthusiasm and gets on well with his partners. i am sure the showrunners think he's great, they don't care about the whinging on forums. I remember Natalie getting slagged off on here for the dumbest reasons when she danced with Ricky but now she's really popular on here. The showrunners know most of the whinging is fickle and petty.
Muggsy
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“I think this is further rationalisation. I don't like him or I hate him, as dancing.queen writes, serves its purpose and I have no issue with those who state this. The issue is with those who dislike to loathe him but cannot, will not, just say it because ..? Why? I'm not interested in their why if truth be told; it will be further flapping flumox. Furthermore those who dislike him start threads declaring it and everyone piles in and for what constructive conversation? Exactly! This is his fourth year. He was titled TTF in year one and let's leave it there. The endless machinations from those who dislike him is p*******.”

What outcome do you think his detractors are scheming to bring about?
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