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What is it about Kevin?
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coppertop1
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“Why? What's she waiting for?”

I don't know, me to master spell check possibly

Cue,

Though really thinking about typical Kevin choreography a loaf of bread or 2 sausages from her ration book.
coppertop1
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“Your post would have a point were Kevin master of his choice of partner. But he's not so I don't think the vitriol he attracts is related to this, rather it's a symptom. A vocal number dislike Kevin and one of the rationalisations is that he's given ringers. But it's only a rationalisation to legitimise a dislike, hatred for some, that they have no interest investigating. I'm not interested in the investigation, or lack of it either. I'm a die hard fan and the dislike doesn't touch me but I despise the rationalisations.”

I have to say your post worries me in that in your post you say that Kevin attracts vitriol, dislike and hatred but only accept it is because people are rationalising their behaviour because he has had ringers.

It seems to me that you are the one trying to rationalise why it is simply not possible for someone to not like someone you do.

The OP sought to understand what it was about Kevin that other don't like.

There are a multitude of answers, it is perfectly possible to not like someone for any number of reasons, all of which are valid in their own right and non of which are rationalisation.
coppertop1
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by Nina_Blake:
“Do you mean me? Can't tell.

No, no one has explicitly stated that he is evil, but I was hoping that my mocking spelling of it would indicate that it wasn't intended to be a serious comment. Perhaps I should be less vague in future.

It was however, an assumption on my part. In the same way that assumptions are being made about Kevin's preferences for style clearly being underhanded tactics - and his personality on the show clearly false.

Far be it from me to ever question any double standards on DS though...as you were, people!”

Yes of course it was you, you were the one belittling statements by using hyperbole.
I would only say again to all Kevin supporters in life, it is perfectly normal behaviour to not particularly like someone, add in that you don't like his dancing style, nor his choreography and no amount of argument to the contrary will change that..

However Nina evidence to the fact that prior to SCD Kevin was both an Emo and Goth would tend to show that it is quite calculated on his part that he gone with the " from Grimsby" persona and nostalgia themed dances in an effort to win. Well done to him, he got his last 3 dancers to the final that way.

IT doesn't mean I have to like him for it. On the way several much better dancers did not get to the final because of those tactics, so that's no rationalisation it's a thing I really don't like.

In fact it's an actual concrete reason to not like him. When I don't like watching him dance because of his style and choreography and he knocks out other dancers I much prefer.
MaggieMcGee
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I have to say your post worries me in that in your post you say that Kevin attracts vitriol, dislike and hatred but only accept it is because people are rationalising their behaviour because he has had ringers.

It seems to me that you are the one trying to rationalise why it is simply not possible for someone to not like someone you do.

The OP sought to understand what it was about Kevin that other don't like.

There are a multitude of answers, it is perfectly possible to not like someone for any number of reasons, all of which are valid in their own right and non of which are rationalisation.”

"What is it about Kevin? I just don't like him" ... this is not a quest for enlightenment.

I'm sorry to have worried you but it's not quite for the reasons you distill from my posts.
Nina_Blake
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Yes of course it was you, you were the one belittling statements by using hyperbole.
I would only say again to all Kevin supporters in life, it is perfectly normal behaviour to not particularly like someone, add in that you don't like his dancing style, nor his choreography and no amount of argument to the contrary will change that..

However Nina evidence to the fact that prior to SCD Kevin was both an Emo and Goth would tend to show that it is quite calculated on his part that he gone with the " from Grimsby" persona and nostalgia themed dances in an effort to win. Well done to him, he got his last 3 dancers to the final that way.

IT doesn't mean I have to like him for it. On the way several much better dancers did not get to the final because of those tactics, so that's no rationalisation it's a thing I really don't like.

In fact it's an actual concrete reason to not like him. When I don't like watching him dance because of his style and choreography and he knocks out other dancers I much prefer.”

Belittling? Was just a bit of tongue-in-cheek, but I suppose it depends on how sensitive/insecure you are about your opinions!

Again, incredibly presumptuous on your part to make those claims about Kevin's character, based on very little information. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be considered remarkably "normal" (whatever that may mean) who went through different phases before becoming the person they are today. The reasons you cite just appear to be incredibly tenuous - but of course you are wholly entitled to them.
Nina_Blake
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“"What is it about Kevin? I just don't like him" ... this is not a quest for enlightenment.

I'm sorry to have worried you but it's not quite for the reasons you distill from my posts.”

Hey, be thankful people are concerned for your wellbeing!

Think I'm on a DS hit list
MaggieMcGee
28-09-2016
Originally Posted by Nina_Blake:
“Hey, be thankful people are concerned for your wellbeing!

Think I'm on a DS hit list ”



Take care Nina. (Written with best wishes )
Monaogg
28-09-2016
At the end of the day, those who like him will not understand why others do not like him, and vice versa.

I could never warm to Camilla until she was partnered with Tom. So one day Kevin may get a partner that will change my mind. Louise has not managed it so far, mostly for being IMO prissy over her costumes.
bendymixer
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Yes of course it was you, you were the one belittling statements by using hyperbole.
I would only say again to all Kevin supporters in life, it is perfectly normal behaviour to not particularly like someone, add in that you don't like his dancing style, nor his choreography and no amount of argument to the contrary will change that..

However Nina evidence to the fact that prior to SCD Kevin was both an Emo and Goth would tend to show that it is quite calculated on his part that he gone with the " from Grimsby" persona and nostalgia themed dances in an effort to win. Well done to him, he got his last 3 dancers to the final that way.

IT doesn't mean I have to like him for it. On the way several much better dancers did not get to the final because of those tactics, so that's no rationalisation it's a thing I really don't like.

In fact it's an actual concrete reason to not like him. When I don't like watching him dance because of his style and choreography and he knocks out other dancers I much prefer.”

I remember kevin when he won juvenile blackpool (under 12) and when spoke to on the mike he told them he was from Grimsby - no calculation on his part not adopted for strictly could not find junior video but this interview about burn the floor (pre strictly) with his emo look he mentions more than once being from Grimsby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqfN6GOq32o
coppertop1
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by Nina_Blake:
“Belittling? Was just a bit of tongue-in-cheek, but I suppose it depends on how sensitive/insecure you are about your opinions!

Again, incredibly presumptuous on your part to make those claims about Kevin's character, based on very little information. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be considered remarkably "normal" (whatever that may mean) who went through different phases before becoming the person they are today. The reasons you cite just appear to be incredibly tenuous - but of course you are wholly entitled to them. ”

I am perfectly secure in my opinions thank you,

I am also not in the least paranoid.

And Bendymixer, thank you for the video which exactly proves what I was saying. The clean cut, glasses wearing, non emo, nostalgia loving persona was adopted for SCD, whether he says he is from Grimsby or not. Actually isn't it really Cleethorpes?
tallulahula
29-09-2016
I like Kevin - I also like Anton. A pair of non threatening, non buffed blokes with normal teeth, in a world of buffed and waxed and tooth whitened to the nth degree, unrealistic looking men.
However, this is only my opinion and others are entitled to theirs but it all
Makes for interesting debate. I was very different when I was a teenager, it doesn't make me a fake now, it's called 'growing up'
Nina_Blake
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I am perfectly secure in my opinions thank you,

I am also not in the least paranoid.

And Bendymixer, thank you for the video which exactly proves what I was saying. The clean cut, glasses wearing, non emo, nostalgia loving persona was adopted for SCD, whether he says he is from Grimsby or not. Actually isn't it really Cleethorpes?”

Well, if it helps you sleep at night - sure, Kevin is a cunning manipulator...pulling the wool over all our eyes!


Paranoid? ...who said that? ...who's there?
IvanIV
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“I remember kevin when he won juvenile blackpool (under 12) and when spoke to on the mike he told them he was from Grimsby - no calculation on his part not adopted for strictly could not find junior video but this interview about burn the floor (pre strictly) with his emo look he mentions more than once being from Grimsby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqfN6GOq32o”

Or he was calculating already at 12
peppy5
29-09-2016
I can't help but think Marian Keyes list of rules on the subject might be appropriate here;

https://mobile.twitter.com/pauldunph...599489/photo/1

The penultimate one in particular..:
BMLisa
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by peppy5:
“I can't help but think Marian Keyes list of rules on the subject might be appropriate here;

https://mobile.twitter.com/pauldunph...599489/photo/1

The penultimate one in particular..:”

That is brilliant!
bendymixer
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I am perfectly secure in my opinions thank you,

I am also not in the least paranoid.

And Bendymixer, thank you for the video which exactly proves what I was saying. The clean cut, glasses wearing, non emo, nostalgia loving persona was adopted for SCD, whether he says he is from Grimsby or not. Actually isn't it really Cleethorpes?”

did you watch video ?? was still wearing his glasses, shots of him dancing he tones down the emo look by either having the hair cut or gelling it back - he cleans up the emo look - for DANCING and has done it for years and reverts back off the dance floor - nothing to do with strictly or creating a persona
aggs
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I am perfectly secure in my opinions thank you,

I am also not in the least paranoid.

And Bendymixer, thank you for the video which exactly proves what I was saying. The clean cut, glasses wearing, non emo, nostalgia loving persona was adopted for SCD, whether he says he is from Grimsby or not. Actually isn't it really Cleethorpes?”

I don't know where abouts Kevin actually hails from, but when the BBC take us 'there' for comedy VT purposes they always take us to Cleethorpes.
Lou_Black
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I don't know where abouts Kevin actually hails from, but when the BBC take us 'there' for comedy VT purposes they always take us to Cleethorpes.”

Kevin was born in Waltham which is a village and civil parish in North East Lincolnshire. It is geographically 4 miles (6.4 km) south-west from Grimsby and is close to the villages of Scartho, Brigsley, Barnoldby-le-Beck, and Bradley. Less than 2 miles (3.2 km) to the north-east is the village of New Waltham. According to the 2001 Census, Waltham had a population of 6,420 reducing slightly to 6,413 at the 2011 Census.

HTH.
Heavenly
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“I liked Louise's outfit. Fit the theme, she looked lovely and her skirt moved nicely for the Jive. Unlike Natalie's where she ended up with it hitched up and dancing in her pants!

I don't think Louise's style was revealing even as a popstar was it? Thought it was the nineties look of vest with combat trousers or joggers.”


Louise really reminded me of Debbie Reynolds in Singing in the Rain when she did the number with Gene and Donald - Good Morning, Good Morrrrrning!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...b19b3d2d9c.jpg

http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-co...od-Morning.png
FingersAndToes
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Or he was calculating already at 12 ”


Let me tell you, I've never seen such a cunning, long term manipulative scheme happen from such an early age. And right before our eyes. I'm shocked, utterly shocked!

*I'm yet to figure out what the goal and plan is and was, but surely there is one.*
humpty dumpty
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“Let me tell you, I've never seen such a cunning, long term manipulative scheme happen from such an early age. And right before our eyes. I'm shocked, utterly shocked!

*I'm yet to figure out what the goal and plan is and was, but surely there is one.*”



I don't mind Kevin, but I can accept hes not everyones cup of tea (I feel that way about Anton) but I was starting to wonder what this manipulative plan hes had going on for years was all about?
Lou_Black
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“

I don't mind Kevin, but I can accept hes not everyones cup of tea (I feel that way about Anton) but I was starting to wonder what this manipulative plan hes had going on for years was all about?”


I read Coppertop's post as saying that Kevin plays on the "from Grimsby/nostalgic old dances/going back in time" card and therefore appeals to quite a large part of the Strictly audience. One only has to look at Anton's appeal to see that there are many people who will enjoy his choreography for that reason. I didn't read the post as implying he was some demon manipulator hatching wicked plans in order to play with our minds.
Katenutzs
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by peppy5:
“I can't help but think Marian Keyes list of rules on the subject might be appropriate here;

https://mobile.twitter.com/pauldunph...599489/photo/1

The penultimate one in particular..:”

Love this... thanks
humpty dumpty
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“I read Coppertop's post as saying that Kevin plays on the "from Grimsby/nostalgic old dances/going back in time" card and therefore appeals to quite a large part of the Strictly audience. One only has to look at Anton's appeal to see that there are many people who will enjoy his choreography for that reason. I didn't read the post as implying he was some demon manipulator hatching wicked plans in order to play with our minds.”

No I didn't mention anything about demons or wickedness either. Just the delving into past videos and from a snapshot of an interview deducing hes being manipulative or not his real self. If you had to look at old videos of me and compare it to how I am now (with any differences seen as representing a fakeness in my character now) I'd be the fakest girl in town. Of course SCD spins a Grimsby story, Vincent gets the Italian romeo character and I'm sure Oksana will get the Russian taskmaster image too - the show eggs on a theme a bit and the dancers may well go along. If some of you want to see him as being fake/deceptive/maninpulative over this, fill your boots. I find it all a bit bizarre.
Lou_Black
29-09-2016
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“No I didn't mention anything about demons or wickedness either. Just the delving into past videos and from a snapshot of an interview deducing hes being manipulative or not his real self. If you had to look at old videos of me and compare it to how I am now (with any differences seen as representing a fakeness in my character now) I'd be the fakest girl in town. Of course SCD spins a Grimsby story, Vincent gets the Italian romeo character and I'm sure Oksana will get the Russian taskmaster image too - the show eggs on a theme a bit and the dancers may well go along. If some of you want to see him as being fake/deceptive/maninpulative over this, fill your boots. I find it all a bit bizarre.”

But I just said I didn't read the post as saying that at all.
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