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Hollyoaks E4 Daily | 26/09/16 | 7:00 - Simmering Tension
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Originally Posted by lylonic_x:
“Will the truth of Marine and Freddie ever come out? Or are we supposed to forget about that now?”
“Will the truth of Marine and Freddie ever come out? Or are we supposed to forget about that now?”
nearly everyone in hollyoaks knows about them
Cindy
Dirk
Jade
James
Diane
it depends who upsets them
Originally Posted by Skyfall:
“Do you think Mercy and Joe will last or just be another wasted couple.”
“Do you think Mercy and Joe will last or just be another wasted couple.”
I thought they were meant to be long term and serious
Originally Posted by ChelseaEllie:
“I thought they were meant to be long term and serious”
“I thought they were meant to be long term and serious”
They keep putting things in Joe and Mercy's way it looks like they may not last. I think Joe would of been better with Porsche.
Originally Posted by Skyfall:
“They keep putting things in Joe and Mercy's way it looks like they may not last. I think Joe would of been better with Porsche.”
“They keep putting things in Joe and Mercy's way it looks like they may not last. I think Joe would of been better with Porsche.”
the only people who can have a stable happy relationship on the show are jack and frankie
Originally Posted by Skyfall:
“They keep putting things in Joe and Mercy's way it looks like they may not last. I think Joe would of been better with Porsche.”
“They keep putting things in Joe and Mercy's way it looks like they may not last. I think Joe would of been better with Porsche.”
They do that with a lot of couples though. Overall, Mercedez and Joe work very well together and have good chemistry. I'd take them over Ellie and Freddie any day of the week.
I really liked porche and of all the new mqueens she was the most interesting. It's a shame she left so soon. I always felt she was the strongest, as oppose to celine, who is quite insipid.
Originally Posted by ChelseaEllie:
“the only people who can have a stable happy relationship on the show are jack and frankie”
“the only people who can have a stable happy relationship on the show are jack and frankie”
Would be great if there were happy stable couples.
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“They do that with a lot of couples though. Overall, Mercedez and Joe work very well together and have good chemistry. I'd take them over Ellie and Freddie any day of the week.
I really liked porche and of all the new mqueens she was the most interesting. It's a shame she left so soon. I always felt she was the strongest, as oppose to celine, who is quite insipid.”
“They do that with a lot of couples though. Overall, Mercedez and Joe work very well together and have good chemistry. I'd take them over Ellie and Freddie any day of the week.
I really liked porche and of all the new mqueens she was the most interesting. It's a shame she left so soon. I always felt she was the strongest, as oppose to celine, who is quite insipid.”
Joe and Porrche both are strong people, don't take crap with anyone, stand up for their selfs and their familys, most of all they raised their family as well.
Porrche always be a great character a shame she left.
Joe was in a scene with Porrche when she was crying something about that scene made me think they be a great couple.
With Kim still bitter of the history with Grace and Esther, seems she doesn't care for her baby niece Lexa.
Originally Posted by kandi_kane:
“Ignoring what Zoé Lister has said and just basing my thoughts on what we have seen, I feel that Ellie obviously regrets sleeping with Nick. She admitted to Lisa she can't remember a thing about last night so how can she know for sure she didn't give consent?
Surely in a court of law, it has be proven beyond reasonable doubt that she did not give consent. Unless there were witnesses or video evidence, I can't see how that can be proven. Ellie does not remember a thing. Nick could claim that she consented. Lisa witnessed Ellie walking him out of the pub the next morning.
I feel they cut Friday's bedroom scene too soon so I can't make up my mind either way. But I agree with all those saying that Hollyoaks have pretty much decided Nick's a rapist which is such a shame.
Maybe one of the things both men and women need to take from this is to know your limit when it comes to drinking, as obviously your decision making will be impaired.”
“Ignoring what Zoé Lister has said and just basing my thoughts on what we have seen, I feel that Ellie obviously regrets sleeping with Nick. She admitted to Lisa she can't remember a thing about last night so how can she know for sure she didn't give consent?
Surely in a court of law, it has be proven beyond reasonable doubt that she did not give consent. Unless there were witnesses or video evidence, I can't see how that can be proven. Ellie does not remember a thing. Nick could claim that she consented. Lisa witnessed Ellie walking him out of the pub the next morning.
I feel they cut Friday's bedroom scene too soon so I can't make up my mind either way. But I agree with all those saying that Hollyoaks have pretty much decided Nick's a rapist which is such a shame.
Maybe one of the things both men and women need to take from this is to know your limit when it comes to drinking, as obviously your decision making will be impaired.”
Yes, you're right that it's highly unlikely that this would go to trial as there's insufficient evidence for a jury to be able to reach a verdict. And it's true Ellie can't remember, so she doesn't know whether she consented or not.
But we, the viewers (or those who were paying attention) saw enough to conclude that Ellie was raped. Because she did not, could not, give consent - she was passing out on the bed!
I didn't watch the episode on E4 last Friday, and reading posts on the thread about it afterwards I was given the impression that it was difficult to judge as the viewers hadn't seen anything beyond Ellie and Nick going into her room, so we couldn't really know what had happened beyond that, or whether she had consented.
But watching the episode on C4 tonight, I am in absolutely no doubt that enough was shown to make it quite clear that Ellie was not in any condition to consent. They went into her bedroom, Ellie poured some wine and told Nick to put some music on. Both were clearly drunk, but at this point Ellie was still lucid, ie still upright and capable of conversing.
But when she went to lay down on the bed, she said she felt unwell and that the room was spinning. She appeared to be drowsy and lapsing into semi-consciousness. At this point, even if Nick assumed she had been willing to have sex (and it would have been an assumption, because there had been no prior conversation or agreement or consent) he should have realised that she was no longer in a state where she was able to agree to it. But he took her state of helplessness to be an invitation to go ahead and help himself.
It's a shame that some people can't cope with the idea of an apparently 'nice' guy being portrayed as a rapist - but suck it up, because that's what he is. That's what rape is - sex without the willing consent of both parties. Nick raped Ellie, full stop.
It's clear that there's still a lot of education needed to get the message across about the importance of consent - informed consent - because without it, you are committing rape. The fact that your victim is drunk and unconscious doesn't give you a green light to just do whatever you want and then blame them for being too drunk to give consent or say 'No!'
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“They do that with a lot of couples though. Overall, Mercedez and Joe work very well together and have good chemistry. I'd take them over Ellie and Freddie any day of the week.
I really liked porche and of all the new mqueens she was the most interesting. It's a shame she left so soon. I always felt she was the strongest, as oppose to celine, who is quite insipid.”
“They do that with a lot of couples though. Overall, Mercedez and Joe work very well together and have good chemistry. I'd take them over Ellie and Freddie any day of the week.
I really liked porche and of all the new mqueens she was the most interesting. It's a shame she left so soon. I always felt she was the strongest, as oppose to celine, who is quite insipid.”
I see celine as Carmel replacement and Porche was new Jacqui
Originally Posted by Bluebird69:
“Yes, you're right that it's highly unlikely that this would go to trial as there's insufficient evidence for a jury to be able to reach a verdict. And it's true Ellie can't remember, so she doesn't know whether she consented or not.
But we, the viewers (or those who were paying attention) saw enough to conclude that Ellie was raped. Because she did not, could not, give consent - she was passing out on the bed!
I didn't watch the episode on E4 last Friday, and reading posts on the thread about it afterwards I was given the impression that it was difficult to judge as the viewers hadn't seen anything beyond Ellie and Nick going into her room, so we couldn't really know what had happened beyond that, or whether she had consented.
But watching the episode on C4 tonight, I am in absolutely no doubt that enough was shown to make it quite clear that Ellie was not in any condition to consent. They went into her bedroom, Ellie poured some wine and told Nick to put some music on. Both were, clearly drunk, but at this point Ellie was still lucid, ie capable of conversing and conveying her intent.
But when she went to lay down on the bed, she said she felt unwell and that the room was spinning. She appeared to be drowsy and lapsing into semi-consciousness. At this point, even if Nick assumed she had been willing to have sex (and it would have been an assumption, because there had been no prior conversation or agreement or consent) he should have realised that she was no longer in a state where she was able to agree to it. But he took her state of helplessness to be an invitation to go ahead and help himself.
It's a shame that some people don't like the idea of an apparently nice guy being portrayed as a rapist - but suck it up, because that's what he is. That's what rape is - sex without the willing consent of both parties. Nick raped Ellie, full stop.
It's clear that there's still a lot of education needed to get the message across about the importance of consent - informed consent - because without it, you are committing rape. The fact that your victim is drunk and unconscious doesn't give you a green light to just do whatever you want and then blame them for being too drunk to give consent or say 'No!'”
“Yes, you're right that it's highly unlikely that this would go to trial as there's insufficient evidence for a jury to be able to reach a verdict. And it's true Ellie can't remember, so she doesn't know whether she consented or not.
But we, the viewers (or those who were paying attention) saw enough to conclude that Ellie was raped. Because she did not, could not, give consent - she was passing out on the bed!
I didn't watch the episode on E4 last Friday, and reading posts on the thread about it afterwards I was given the impression that it was difficult to judge as the viewers hadn't seen anything beyond Ellie and Nick going into her room, so we couldn't really know what had happened beyond that, or whether she had consented.
But watching the episode on C4 tonight, I am in absolutely no doubt that enough was shown to make it quite clear that Ellie was not in any condition to consent. They went into her bedroom, Ellie poured some wine and told Nick to put some music on. Both were, clearly drunk, but at this point Ellie was still lucid, ie capable of conversing and conveying her intent.
But when she went to lay down on the bed, she said she felt unwell and that the room was spinning. She appeared to be drowsy and lapsing into semi-consciousness. At this point, even if Nick assumed she had been willing to have sex (and it would have been an assumption, because there had been no prior conversation or agreement or consent) he should have realised that she was no longer in a state where she was able to agree to it. But he took her state of helplessness to be an invitation to go ahead and help himself.
It's a shame that some people don't like the idea of an apparently nice guy being portrayed as a rapist - but suck it up, because that's what he is. That's what rape is - sex without the willing consent of both parties. Nick raped Ellie, full stop.
It's clear that there's still a lot of education needed to get the message across about the importance of consent - informed consent - because without it, you are committing rape. The fact that your victim is drunk and unconscious doesn't give you a green light to just do whatever you want and then blame them for being too drunk to give consent or say 'No!'”
I agree with what you say
we were saying on friday we didnt see what happened next, did she get more alert, start kissing him? showing interest, anything could have happened between that scene and them having sex, should have made it more clear, and at 7 pm they cant, so needed to be a later episode
If we assume he just started having sex with her exactly as it was left then yes, but the fact is we dont know, and thats the issue
Originally Posted by Skyfall:
“With Kim still bitter of the history with Grace and Esther, seems she doesn't care for her baby niece Lexa.”
“With Kim still bitter of the history with Grace and Esther, seems she doesn't care for her baby niece Lexa.”
I think Kim is so appalled by the truth of Lindsey having been the GHK that she feels unable to take an interest in Lexi. If she feels betrayed by Grace and/or Esther she will take no interest in Curtis.
Originally Posted by ChelseaEllie:
“I agree with what you say
we were saying on friday we didnt see what happened next, did she get more alert, start kissing him? showing interest, anything could have happened between that scene and them having sex, should have made it more clear, and at 7 pm they cant, so needed to be a later episode
If we assume he just started having sex with her exactly as it was left then yes, but the fact is we dont know, and thats the issue”
“I agree with what you say
we were saying on friday we didnt see what happened next, did she get more alert, start kissing him? showing interest, anything could have happened between that scene and them having sex, should have made it more clear, and at 7 pm they cant, so needed to be a later episode
If we assume he just started having sex with her exactly as it was left then yes, but the fact is we dont know, and thats the issue”
BIB: I see what you're saying. But in my experience, I've never seen anyone get to that point - where the drink has caught up with them, and they're crashing out - suddenly reversing and become alert and capable of engaging in any way. No, we didn't see anything after that point, but in all honesty I don't think they needed to once we'd seen Ellie becoming unwell and starting to fall into a drunken stupor on the bed. At that point, anyone with any decency would have backed off, not taken it as an invitation to get on top of her.
Originally Posted by Multimedia81:
“I think Kim is so appalled by the truth of Lindsey having been the GHK that she feels unable to take an interest in Lexi. If she feels betrayed by Grace and/or Esther she will take no interest in Curtis.”
“I think Kim is so appalled by the truth of Lindsey having been the GHK that she feels unable to take an interest in Lexi. If she feels betrayed by Grace and/or Esther she will take no interest in Curtis.”
It would be great to have some scenes with Kim bonding with her niece Lexi.
Originally Posted by Bluebird69:
“BIB: I see what you're saying. But in my experience, I've never seen anyone get to that point - where the drink has caught up with them, and they're crashing out - suddenly reversing and become alert and capable of engaging in any way. No, we didn't see anything after that point, but in all honesty I don't think they needed to once we'd seen Ellie becoming unwell and starting to fall into a drunken stupor on the bed. At that point, anyone with any decency would have backed off, not taken it as an invitation to get on top of her.”
“BIB: I see what you're saying. But in my experience, I've never seen anyone get to that point - where the drink has caught up with them, and they're crashing out - suddenly reversing and become alert and capable of engaging in any way. No, we didn't see anything after that point, but in all honesty I don't think they needed to once we'd seen Ellie becoming unwell and starting to fall into a drunken stupor on the bed. At that point, anyone with any decency would have backed off, not taken it as an invitation to get on top of her.”
Thats the thing I find odd, surely he would have known she was passed out, or as good as, so why did he think she was up for it? Which is why I wonder what we have missed out on
Originally Posted by Skyfall:
“It would be great to have some scenes with Kim bonding with her niece Lexi.”
“It would be great to have some scenes with Kim bonding with her niece Lexi.”
Much as we are concerned about how Esther is feeling about being abandoned by Kim, maybe she will feel a pang of responsibility to come back and see Lexi? That is, provided that no-one such as Eva is behind Kim's disappearance.
Originally Posted by ChelseaEllie:
“Thats the thing I find odd, surely he would have known she was passed out, or as good as, so why did he think she was up for it? Which is why I wonder what we have missed out on”
“Thats the thing I find odd, surely he would have known she was passed out, or as good as, so why did he think she was up for it? Which is why I wonder what we have missed out on”
I guess that's the point of the SL, to provide information, and discussion. Apparently there are many people who think it's perfectly fine for a guy to have an opportunistic shag with somebody who's semi-comatose through drink. After all, It's her own fault, she shouldn't drink so much. And damn those buzz-kills trying to ruin his fun, and life, by accusing him of rape!
Originally Posted by ChelseaEllie:
“Im very worried how this story line will turn out, if they wanted to make it just the guy is at fault he should have been sober (they did that in Major Crimes that I was watching the other day where a guy had been having sex with girls he knew were on drugs and he never took drugs or drank, so they arrested him as they couldnt consent)
I wish it was less focused on Ellie, and we saw Nicks side as well
It did cut from the bedroom scene too quickly”
“Im very worried how this story line will turn out, if they wanted to make it just the guy is at fault he should have been sober (they did that in Major Crimes that I was watching the other day where a guy had been having sex with girls he knew were on drugs and he never took drugs or drank, so they arrested him as they couldnt consent)
I wish it was less focused on Ellie, and we saw Nicks side as well
It did cut from the bedroom scene too quickly”
I think you all need to be a bit more patient about this. Currently Ellie is the only character affected by the events of last night so obviously the focus is on her.
As far as Nick is concerned he's just had a great night with a gorgeous girl , he has no idea about the bomb that's about to go off, but when Ellie tells someone who's not a complete imbecile like Lisa, he'll realise that something is amiss. Then we can explore Nick's side of the story, which they've said they will.
Originally Posted by Multimedia81:
“Much as we are concerned about how Esther is feeling about being abandoned by Kim, maybe she will feel a pang of responsibility to come back and see Lexi? That is, provided that no-one such as Eva is behind Kim's disappearance.”
“Much as we are concerned about how Esther is feeling about being abandoned by Kim, maybe she will feel a pang of responsibility to come back and see Lexi? That is, provided that no-one such as Eva is behind Kim's disappearance.
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If Eva does have Kim hostage and locked up some where that would explain why Esther couldn't find her at the address Jack give her.
Chelsea and Multimedia enjoyed talking with you both again look forward to talking with you again
Need some sleep, gonna see The Magnificent Seven with a friend tomrrow.
Need some sleep, gonna see The Magnificent Seven with a friend tomrrow.
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