I think that scene was more about their more personal demons Darhk for Sarah, Deathstroke for Oli and Merlyn for Thea. So that didn't seem out of place to me.

That's what I'm expecting to be the case, the LoT team were the ones who went back to the 1950s and stopped their earlier attempts and will also do the same in this episode (which I've not seen yet).

Have to disagree. I think both crossovers I've seen so far have been absolutely perfect for the show they were on. Supergirl kicked things off with a very minor element as expected and teased because her Earth isn't affected by the invasion.

The Flash's main story narrative this season has been about trust, betrayal, a fractured team not firing on all cylinders, and the Invasion episode magnified that the nth degree by having the superhero team all fighting each other.

Arrow, on the other hand, has been following Oliver's continual fight to find his place in the world and how he can marry his past with his present and find a way forward to the future and, again, this episode did that absolutely perfectly.

The Dominators are a DC comic book villain, there is a series based on them in which the come to Earth and fight against pretty much all the DC superheros so I guess if people weren't aware of that they may have had more expectations of what the TV shows were going to be doing.
For me, so far, I've not seen LoT yet, each episode has worked perfectly within it's parent show's long running story arc.

Couldn't agree more, certainly when we got to the Arrow episode, which was genuinely some of the worst television I have ever seen. I'm pretty sure you could pick any random Power Rangers episode from over 20 years ago and find better dialog, plot and effects. Never mind how messy each episode has been on its own, but trying to sell this crossover as a single, coherent "movie-like" event is completely laughable.

Wasn't fond of that episode at all. Not sure why.

I agree. The Arrow episode was just awful - the worst by a very long country mile!

That weird bit with the cyborg and Flash and Supergirl. WTH!!!

I liked the episode, loved the Chicago Med reference.

That actually made me laugh out loud, a complete touché moment

Lots of Easter Eggs, the JSA Halls of Justice was a nice touch too when they went to the STAR Labs airfield hanger

I do think that takes the chance of Tommy is Prometheus down a bit if the actor couldn't find time to do a quick cameo he has no chance of having time to be the big bad this year as he will have to spend time unmasked once the reveal is made.

Right now of course it's just a random extra in the costume (like Zoom last year)

Nah, I still think it's going to be him, they only need him for the very final shot as Prometheus goes down cos we know they're going to have to take him out completely, not just catch him to lock him up. Ollie's going to take the hood off and it'll be Tommy.
Colin O'Donnell could do that in one day's filming.

Wouldn't (or couldn't) they be on purpose though? If he had a large part in the episode, people may have further belief that he could return as a background character?


My money is still on Mike Dopud (who plays Victor).

Ive given up on Arrow really, ( I dont watch any of the other 3) The finale of last season was just the worst TV i've ever seen, and this series Felicity is being "Felicity" ie ever increasingly tiresome one liners and all peppy, even after she nuked an entire city, is just ridiculous, you just wouldnt ever be the same person ever again.

I get its a sci-fantasy show, but the fact there is never any real fallout from anything they ever do and just carry on carrying on has just put me right off the entire show.

I watched the 100th episode and it was lovely to see the Mum & Dad and Laurel again but for me just showed how different and soulless the show has become, introducing Meta-humans into the Arrow-verse has just ruined it.

Yeah, could be him as well, he'd fit into the flashbacks Bratva element but not sure he'd know about the list or any of that stuff.

It's exactly stuff like that which made me drop the show a few seasons ago. I couldn't even make it through the ridiculous crossover last week. The utterly idiotic Arrow episode just wore me down.


Unless it's someone keeping a pointless secret from someone, and they'll crank the emotional drama up to 11.

I know not everyone shares the opinion, but I'm giving credit to the Arrow writers where it's due; I think Season 5 has been a significant step up from Season 4 (and 3). What a mid-season final. Who here said that Prometheus would turn out to be Felicity's boyfriend again? I guess (in one essence) you were right, but then when it comes down to it, you were wrong!

There's got to be a fair amount of grief going forward for Ollie (and Felicity) here. I'm surprised that we didn't get a Prometheus reveal, but at the same time, referencing that move that Ollie learnt in Russia further fuels my speculation that Prometheus is Victor. If it isn't him, then honestly, I don't see who else it could be. Assuming it is the son of that older guy Oliver killed back in Season 1, if it isn't, then the character behind the mask would seemingly be a nobody.

Also, Laurel - or is it? I doubt it's the result of Flashpoint, cause nobody would then remember her death, so it's either a Laurel Lance from another Earth, or she's somehow been brought back from the dead?! So much for those new security codes though...

I think I watched the pilot and never watched again. I did the same for the other shows. I did watch all the crossovers. I just watched this last episode. What really turns me off is the dialogue. All these 'smart' one liners all the time is so tiring. There really is no depth to any of them. Plus Paul asked his hubby was he working with the man going around sticking arrows into people. He just realised after 5 years that actions have consequences. He was killing people on sight. No wonder it was so easy for the villain to have him kill Billy. Shoot and think later. Really mindless and considering American violence quite disturbing.

Was the previous episode shown in flashbacks actually shown in season 1?

I don't believe so.

I know the Hood did go around killing a few henchmen back in Season 1 but the amount of people they showed him killing in these particular flashbacks seems way more than he usually did.


I would guess the DA (unless there's something I've forgotten that rules him out).

Nah, it was purely new stuff.

I don't remember him ever putting a second arrow in anyone he'd already put down like he did (twice) in this episodes flashbacks. With all the talk of 'The Hood' being a "serial killer/relentless murder" it's starting to feel like this season has been made by people who didn't watch the first season. That's despite my biggest issue with season one being the way he killed a lot of goons/bodyguards (good thing Moira snapped up Diggle before he went to work for someone else in the city) but frequently gave the names on the list a chance to make things right to stay alive.

I can't understand the logic in having Prometheus be linked to a season one kill, but not one we actually saw at the time. I like the idea of it of Ollie's actions creating a villain, but they've totally bollocksed-up the execution.

Can't remember what happened to Black Siren on The Flash, but that had to be her at the end. It's stupid either way. Another death rendered meaningless by keeping the character/actor around.

Also, Curtis can f**k off.


edit: Doesn't sound like it, but I did actually like the episode

I think this Laurel is Black Siren but it's also possible it's the real one from the past and Sara has brought her forwards in time.

I always assumed it would be flash point that bought her back if she is Arrow Laurel and not Black Siren.

Pretty sure if it was Sara's doing, we'd know about it!


If it was the result of Flashpoint, only Barry would know about her death in the first place. Everyone else in this timeline would be oblivious to it.

From Sara's POV she may not have done it yet.

She could even be from another Earth not Earth 2's Black Siren but as Supergirl's Earth is Earth 38 there is at least another 36 she could have come from and a infinite number of Earth's we haven't heard about yet.


It's not Ollie just seeing things as in the next episode the rest of the team meet her.