Although I think most people who voted Out, voted against Freedom of Movement, I believe they really didn't want the Freedom to stay and live in the UK, as most people wouldn't mind the freedom to travel but for Holidays or Business.

It is the right to live and work in this country that Brexiters really want to curtail.

Not the right to travel in the EU and UK without a passport or border controls.

Afaik EU or citizens of a country in the Schengen zone travelling to a country outside the Schengen zone such as the UK are required to have a passport and are subject to border controls.

I see no reason why post Brexit there can't be visa free travel to the UK from EU or Schengen zone member countries and vice-versa.

What about freedom to move horizontally, but not vertically?

You can move about, but do not dare use stairs!

From what i read on here a lot of brexiters would not be happy with that. They want a complete end to any free movement. That means visas (or visa waivers) for anyone coming in and the same for any country we want to visit.

I haven't noticed that but any that are will disappointed as Brexit can have no impact on visa free travel from non-EU countries.

Going abroad on holiday does not depends on any form of free movement of people, that is a lie promoted by very dishonest left wingers who assume that the average person is too thick to see through their crap.

In the past 5 years I have travelled to Australia, New Zealand, South America, USA and Russia.

I have had no problems travelling there at all - I did not see the EU flag flying making it easier for me to get in the countries.

Freedom of movement applies to all reasons for travel.

Removal of that means either visas or visa waivers for travel, the only question is what will be adopted.

Russia requires a visa obtained in advance, the US has ESTA which you have to obtain in advance, Oz has ESTA which you have to obtain in advance, South America has various rules.

ALL OF THEM don't give you a right of entry which is what FoM guarantees

Not so, the primary concern was always living, working, claiming benefits and access to all services that was the issue. Visas was not the issue it was work permits.

It does not. We could agree with the rest of the EU that we allow all EU citizens to travel to the UK without visas and vice verse. Even with Hard Brexit, I'll be amazed if that doesn't happen.

The issue is work, work permits and the ability to claim benefits.

It is. Have you read the plight of the Guardian journalist trying to claim benefits in Poland. They told him its impossible. Don't have the link, but not hard to find. It's about equality.we have a visa to enter Australia, most Aussie's come here, no work or visa and are still here. Americans get child benefit. Is it the same for UK citizens? No.

Sink into your soft armchairs, you poor complacent Little Englanders, cherry-picking your way through the world as if you still owned it. Your ugly prejudice, ignorance and inaction are the cause of your sad position. You make very little these days, you depend on foreigners for your basic services, even wiping your dirty bottoms, yet you insult the people who do so. Why should you have the choice of other people's professionals just because you're too incompetent, mean or lazy to train your own. It is pitiful to see a once great country reduced to strutting and posturing on the world stage like an old and faded hasbeen trying to re-invent it's long-lost youth.

Poland doesn't have housing benefit or tax credits and you need insurance - normally paid for by your employer - to get non emergency health care.

If we aren't entitled to get free housing if on a low income, free healthcare or top ups to our wages if we go and live in Poland why on earth should Poles get these things in the UK almost immediately?

No wonder the traffic is all one way!

Another reason to leave as we don't need any more freeloaders who take out more than they pay in. We should only import those who will be net contributors net of state handouts or people with skills or qualifications we have shortages of.

here we go again - Remainers taking the words "freedom of movement" literally to prove some kind of pathetic point.
FOM is about European mainlanders having the right to live and work in Britain with the same rights and privileges as a British citizen with no checks,no application and no permissions needed.
nobody is trying stop a French bloke having a weekend tourist visit to London.

FFS

Totally spot on.

British passport holders can visit almost every nation in the entire world without a visa and can usually stay for 3 months and often more for travel and leisure purposes. I actually often get through Immigration outside the EU far faster than inside as passport control bar the US is often far quieter.

Last month I got through Singaporean immigration in less than 30 seconds on arrival and got a 90 day entry stamp no questions asked. And unlike some EU states Singapore is actually a first world country!

Exactly, I voted leave but have no problem with freedom of movement or even freedom to live and work here, what I disagree with is people being free to come here without a job and claim benefits and worse still be able to claim benefits for family back in their own country at a time when our own benefits are being cut and services are under pressure - i'd be happy with people being free to come and live and work here as long as they had a job offer with at least a 2 year contract and somewhere to live before arriving, and couldn't claim any benefits for a minimum 2 years, and then benefits only payable to and for those actually living in the UK (like it used to be).

That's not Freedom of Movement. Placing limits on who can travel is limiting freedoms.

So already you are calling for limited movement.

Many brexiters wanted anyone who looked at all different out of the country - whenever they arrived , or wherever they came from. . There's a long line of interviews from the campaign where people said they were voting tp leave the EU because there were too many foreigners generally - the Guardian even interviewed people who confused Syrians with Israelis, and claimed they, Somalis and Eithiopians, were there because of the EU. They are not going to be happy anyway.

You obviously can't not give EU workers here a right to work but not stay . As soon as they start paying in for pensions, and the NHS, they are as entitled as anyone to use them. And the last thing we need is Europe sending all our retired expats home in retaliation - creating vast new demands on the NHS and care system. Nor do you wnat to recruit people with skills and send them home when they have developed them more - it just creates a skilsl shortage , and, leaves them with less incentive to come in the first place.

Cameron had dealt with all those issues bar the two year job one - and thats unrealistic. It assumes the demand isn't for short term, or seasonal work, and that people would stay in one job for two years - its unworkable ,unenforceable, and wouldn't meet the demand for workers.

Nor can you have an immigration control system that checks up on whether Francois is where he started work months ago, or in another job, or requires the average farmer or restaurant owner to start filling in paperwork to get an employee, months before they know they need one. It just introduces a pointless, unworkable, bureaucracy, and, if demand is met, the numbers of immigrants will be the same as now.

Gosh, applying for an ESTA is so onerous. I mean what would I otherwise do with the whole five minutes it actually takes? Also, nobody deserves the automatic right of entry to any country. It's a privilege, that can and should be taken away if you're a criminal etc.

Checks are made, permission is required.

Example A

http://www.jobs.cam.ac.uk/right/have/

The Eastern EU Counties must know that freedom of movement is a bit like one way traffic.

Why are they happy to send their best people to live over here ?

I know that it is temporary for many and they send money back but I suspect that the majority prefer to settel here.

'Their best people'?

So the Romanian shown on the Channel 4 programme who admitted he only came here to claim benefits and send it back was one of their best people?

All the people who come here to do minimum wages jobs are their best people?

Apart from benefits, free or cheap housing and free health care, there are very few coming here because they are scientists or other professionals we need because we haven't go enough here.

The point being that you do have to apply for it, it may be refused and it's not a guarantee of entry