Or people just want to perpetuate project fear with more scare stories!

Our historic arrangements with Ireland arise from treaties which precede our EU membership. Almost every one in Northern Ireland is legally a citizen of the U.K and the Irish Republic. It's in neither countries interest to see those reciprocal rights change and given so many people have dual nationality of both nations rather impractical too.

It has nothing to do with the Commonwealth but longstanding treaties although the Irish are the only citizens of non Commonwealth members who can vote in UK parliamentary elections and national referendums. We also treat Malta and Cypris differently in that respect.

You must be living in a parallel universe Britain,where every Euro migrant was a recruited highly skilled professional,with a high paid job,in perfect health.


Here's some of your much needed Euro migrants

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/651...migrant-crisis

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/684...ave-UK-Barking


Britain is certainly more diverse and enriched with these fine citizens Eh

It i not a scare story seeing as May herself said it.

What you say has little to do with what I posted. May is stating that contrary to what has been said up to now, the status of Irish citizens here is not certain and will be discussed in the context of Brexit.
I guess Irish people here are to be a bargaining chip to get the Irish Govt to do as the UK Govt tells it.

The UK and RoI obviously want to keep the CTA. No problems with that, but if the EU dictate to the RoI that it's can't carry on, at least regarding goods if not people assuming the UK doesn't carry on with the single market etc, IF RoI feels it will suffer through those restrictions, could they take the UK to the Euro courts over not having a say in the referendum due to that CTA?

Probably not, but a relatively small country might suffer as an unintended consequence of the actions of a larger one, albeit indirectly. Of course, that's if Ireland "suffers" - it may well benefit from Brexit if UK firms move there.

There must beunofficial talks going on for things to change though as both countries have been saying since the vote that the CTA is safe. The EU has said nothing in public about the CTA, only May has.

It's being reported in Ireland that it could change:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...-may-1.2913456

Theresa May has declined to rule out a change in the status of Irish nationals living in Britain, suggesting the issue is part of a broader negotiation about the rights of EU citizens after Brexit. After Britain leaves the EU, it will be free to choose what rights to offer Irish citizens in the UK, including a continuation of the current arrangement under which they have most of the same rights as British citizens.

But in response to a question from Laurence Robertson, the Conservative chair of the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee, the prime minister appeared to link the issue to securing a reciprocal arrangement for UK citizens living in the EU after Brexit.

“The issue of the rights of citizens of the Republic of Ireland, as you say, is on a different and longstanding historical basis from other members of the European Union. Obviously I’ve been clear that I want to at an early stage look at how we deal with these issues of people from other countries within the European Union who are living within the UK in order to offer reassurance,” she said.

Ms May restated her hope that there would be “no return to the borders of the past” but declined to rule out introducing passport checks for people travelling between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

“We want to ensure that we have the right relationship on the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. That’s where the focus needs to be,” she said.

The Daily Express, really?

If any of that is true, then by EU & UK law, they can all be sent back to their country of origin and barred from returning. If they aren't, then that's the fault of our government / home office.


And I never said every European migrant was highly skilled. If you read my posts, you'll see that I said in 2012 Theresa May put a 35k salary cap on non-EU migrants meaning that we could only recruit unskilled foreign workers from the EU, and that UK Employment Agencies have been advertising in and mass-recruiting from East Europe only, paying ZHC and apprenticeship wages. EU net migration was still in the tens of thousands before that. A previous post of mine had all the links to show the proof, and from proper trusted sources, not untrusted ones like the Express.

I recognise the unnecessary and bad mannered attempt at sarcasm, I'm not sure why you feel the need do that, but in any case just to reiterate:


Does not in anyway constitute and an example of deportations under EU. If you think it does, then unfortunately you're incapable of engaging in this discussion.

I heard that you can buy a house with land for £5000 in Hungary, but I wonder how easy it would be to claim benefits over there, especially if you had a disability that made it difficult to work. It was also shown that water rates were only £1 a month.

If you could also afford to install solar panels then you could be pretty self sufficient.

I engaged in the discussion, I gave examples, others have given you details of the actual policies. Don't try and blame others for your lack of understanding.

You carry on believing what others tell you (as long as it suits your view).

I like how they do it.

would you like to expand on this? My understand is that some countries in South America do allow free movement to reside and work.

Maybe you didn't mean to use that as an example.

That's not fair at all. I accept there is a policy but don't accept that it's enforcable and further I don't believe it is enforced.

Thats our point of difference and it's fair for me to ask for examples if you believe i'm mistaken.

The examples you've provided are

1. A voluntery scheme that reconnects people with ther home state.

2. Deportation of Romanians prior to Romania's full accession to the EU.

Neither of which has much to do with self sufficiancy.

If you look further into the French deportations you'll find there was a rush of action prior to Romania's full accession and then not much afterwards - which only goes onto prove my point

If you fail to accept this (and the point is quite clear and virtually indisputable - not that you have tried outside of veiled sarcasm), then I wish say to you, as unkindly as you've said to me, that you have a lack of understand and also allude to your delusions.

EU citizens deported from Cyprus

http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/07/05/bu...citizen+deport

EU citizens deported from Ireland
http://www.thejournal.ie/deported-st...37069-Mar2016/




Not sure is these changes will happen now?

https://fullfact.org/europe/explaini...eu-immigrants/