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*SPOILER* Thread Week 2 - Please not discuss results elsewhere pre results show.
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hannah 01.
01-10-2016
whilst waiting for and after receipt of spoilers etc I try to anticipate and came up with these.
.........................Judges.........Public......Total
Anastacia 7 points 2 points total 9
Lesley 6 points 4 points total 10
Naga 5 points 5 points total 10
Melvin 4 points 1 point (know came bottom with public)
Ed 3 points 6 points total 9

So Ed really has caught the publics imagination as he must have received at least points to be equal with Anastacia. If that occurs the couple with the highest public vote goes through. There are of course various other scenarios for Lesley Naga and Ed but this is the bottom line so to speak.
Oh well game over for another week. Night folks
floppers
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“So strange this should be brought up as I was, for some reason, thinking of Alesha's outburst earlier. "I can't believe Zoe's gone and I had to witness that!"”

A classic Strictly moment - and Craig didn't seem to get it all.
BuddyBontheNet
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by StigOfTheKrump:
“Ali was injured but not so injured that she couldn't dance. Anastacia likely was.

I imagine it's similar to, in the same series, if Laila Rouass had been in the dance-off that week she had to stop midway through her routine (when she was Rumba-ing in an Ugg boot of all things).”

That was a real cringe moment in the history of SCD.

Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“It would depend on who he was up against. I suspect Ed & Katya got a lot of votes to leapfrog Anastacia & Brendan. Everyone else was above them on the leaderboard, so would the judges really pick Melvin over anyone but Ed?”

They still have to go through the motion through, but I'm saying nobody should have gone home tonight and the scores rolled over to next week with a double elimination. All fair then.
Monkseal
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Gullible Public:
“I had high hopes for Melvin, was one of my tips to do well. Frankly he was dire in both his dances.

Anastacia was terrible tonight, although top marks for giving Brendan an elbow to the jaw.

I'm pretty sure given the choice of viewing a dance off between the two, the judges would have saved the higher profile signing, especially at this stage.

They've got form for doing it”

Martina Hingis was a much higher profile signing than Rav Wilding and they punted her week 1.
SP15
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by StigOfTheKrump:
“...no, that's very much not what happened.”

really, so what did happen then?
Monaogg
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“That was a real cringe moment in the history of SCD.



They still have to go through the motion through, but I'm saying nobody should have gone home tonight and the scores rolled over to next week with a double elimination. All fair then.”

They have never done this before, so there would be far more outrage if they started this now.

The show is very fixed about having an elimination each week. How else do you think we ended up with the bizarre situation of a 2 person final the year Chris Hollins & Ola won?
StigOfTheKrump
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by SP15:
“really, so what did happen then?”

She couldn't dance due to injury. The show resorted to the combined judges/public vote. Melvin received the lowest overall score and was eliminated.

That is what happened.
alan_tracy
02-10-2016
Thanks as ever for spoiler.

The precedent is that injured celebs get a bye if they can't dance one week. This is a variation because the injury was not enough to withdraw completely but enough not to dance twice. The producers obviously took a while to decide. They don't have a dance off for Sunday show, but do they keep the pretence that it's next day? Presumably it was decided after the call out, or they could have gone with third last. But having "saved" someone, they can't then make them dance again.

Bit of a mess, whichever way it goes. Mel doesn't get a chance to dance it better, but possibly the simplest compromise. What we do know is several celebs including Ed and Naga are polling better tgan Anastasia. She could be leaving soon whatever the decision this week.
BuddyBontheNet
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“I think what's interesting about this situation is the further doubt it throws on this innocent rationale for the DO.

The DO is wide open to abuse as a tool for manipulating the result (albeit to a limited extent) and this is by no means the first DO controversy (although the first of this exact nature).”

It does seem like the producers tweak it whenever something crops up to get a result that suits them. No doubt they think it's good for the ratings to have people talking about the show.
Sandy_Andrews
02-10-2016
Nice to start the year off with a controversy - something to keep everyone talking for several seasons to come !

In any sporting contest if anyone defaults for any reason including injury they are eliminated - I guess Strictly think Anastacia should earn her no doubt very large fee but she is obviously perhaps not as popular or such a boost to their audience figures as they originally thought !

I am just thrilled Ed lives to fight another day
Fudd
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“They have never done this before, so there would be far more outrage if they started this now.

The show is very fixed about having an elimination each week. How else do you think we ended up with the bizarre situation of a 2 person final the year Chris Hollins & Ola won?”

Though they forgot about that in series 6 so they can carry everything over a week.
SP15
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by StigOfTheKrump:
“She couldn't dance due to injury. The show resorted to the combined judges/public vote. Melvin received the lowest overall score and was eliminated.

That is what happened.”

She had the injury before dancing in the main show, if it was that serious she should not have danced in the main show and had a bye for this week, not dance and get a low mark and low public vote and then pull out of the dance off because of the same injury.

A dance off is the lowest scoring 2 couples dancing off to get judged on their redemption dance, if 1 couple can't compete in the dance off then they should go no matter if they are deemed to be the better dancers.
BuddyBontheNet
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“They have never done this before, so there would be far more outrage if they started this now.

The show is very fixed about having an elimination each week. How else do you think we ended up with the bizarre situation of a 2 person final the year Chris Hollins & Ola won?”

But wasn't that because Jade had to withdraw? She withdrew and Ricky Groves was eliminated in the same week, resulting in a stupid 2 couple final.

Anyway, we'll find out more tomorrow and no doubt it will come up on ITT.
LovesATango
02-10-2016
Thanks to Mona, Pashulty and mole for providing the spoiler.

First elimination - first controversy.

Will be interesting to see if Anastacia gets sympathy or stick from the public for managing to avoid the DO.

Feel a bit sad for Melvin, he seemed a decent sort and nowhere near the worst dancer we've seen on Strictly. Bad luck for him to be on this year when the standard is higher than normal.
Tejas
02-10-2016
Thanks for the spoiler - however I am, like many, very unhappy with the outcome. Whilst Melvin was a lousy dancer, I feel it is very unfair he didn't get a chance to perform again to try and redeem himself. I think the person unable to perform again should have been automatically eliminated in this instance.

I really wish Anastasia had dropped out of this week's show, instead we now have a huge mess and lots of ill feeling. I can see her dropping out anyway, and if not she will probably be voted out next week anyway. What a shambles!
lundavra
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by westlifefan123:
“I think this result could cause controversy for Strictly - and I'm worried that Anastacia may have to drop off because of her injury”

I am sure a few tabloids have the headlines ready for Monday's editions.
apaul
02-10-2016
Doubt there will be much controversy as the viewers probably had Melvin bottom anyway.
lundavra
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“It's probably a new rule they've just made up!

BIB - I would imagine they have to take account of the public vote, because the public have spent money on voting, which was why somebody had to go?

I seem to remember a few years ago someone with an injury hobbling through a dance off. Was it Ali Bastian maybe? Can't recall the outcome, though.”

There is probably a rule to cover someone being injured during or after the main programme. Going by the public vote avoids any accusations of bias by the judges. There are quite likely clauses to give some discretion so if the public vote was very close between the bottom two then they might do something different.
BeyonceCastle
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by DWTS_Fan:
“Why would there be a dance off at this early stage anyway?

I'm from across the pond.”

hello there!
Eliminations on Strictly start in the second week, same as for DWTS
But all the DWTS eliminations are based on the public vote added to the judges' vote, aren't they?
whereas here the lowest polled two couples go to a head to head (dance off) and the judging panel decides who goes that week. They only lose that deciding vote in the final when it is public vote only that counts.
It isn't a dance off like the DWTS themed duel winner-gets-immunityweeks, although this season's DWTS ''face off'' was very early (week 3).I want James to win btw
Major Chudley
02-10-2016
Wow thread only just working for me. This does sound very strange and surely if Anastasia was that bad she should not have danced in the first place or they should have said at the beginning of the results show that due to injury their would be no dance off to make it fair to all dancers.
Monkseal
02-10-2016
I'm glad to have another reason to add to my long list of reasons why they should scrap the dance-off (which I had hoped they were going to do after they made an utter bollix of Jamelia vs Peter last year) anyway, even if it is a very specific, niche one that will never happen again.
BIDIE-IN
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by NicPlays:
“Thanks for the spoiler!!! How did Anastacia injure herself?”

Thanks for the result.

I did feel that Melvin would suffer as his fan base would be out clubbing rather than voting. They didn't specify what happened to Anastasia but if she was unable to dance a second time perhaps she should have stepped aside?
Callum_Brown
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Sandy_Andrews:
“Nice to start the year off with a controversy - something to keep everyone talking for several seasons to come !

In any sporting contest if anyone defaults for any reason including injury they are eliminated - I guess Strictly think Anastacia should earn her no doubt very large fee but she is obviously perhaps not as popular or such a boost to their audience figures as they originally thought !

I am just thrilled Ed lives to fight another day”

She's giving it all to a cancer charity.
BeyonceCastle
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Sandy_Andrews:
“Nice to start the year off with a controversy - something to keep everyone talking for several seasons to come !

In any sporting contest if anyone defaults for any reason including injury they are eliminated - I guess Strictly think Anastacia should earn her no doubt very large fee but she is obviously perhaps not as popular or such a boost to their audience figures as they originally thought !

I am just thrilled Ed lives to fight another day”

her no doubt very large fee is being given to charity though. The reason I would like her to last longer is because I think she/her friends and sponsors are matching the donation depending how long she is in for.
Mystical123
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“It isn't exactly the same. The whole point of the dance off (theoretically at least) is that it gives a celeb a second chance to redeem themselves. Melvin was denied that second chance. That's what's wrong about it.”

You're missing the point. The show has applied exactly the same rules for an injured celebrity as it always has done, so there is no controversy. Yes, it happened in the dance-off rather than the main show, but the principle is the same. They couldn't have one rule for all other injured celebs and another for Anastacia just because she had the misfortune to be injured just prior to a dance-off.

There's about a 99% chance Melvin would have been eliminated anyway (remember the judges have form for putting injured celebs through in a dance-off on the basis of potential), so I really don't see what all the fuss is about!
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