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*SPOILER* Thread Week 2 - Please not discuss results elsewhere pre results show.
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cwickham
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“One of those things; whatever they do would be slightly unfair but giving everyone another bite of the cherry is the fairest way forward.”

Anything they did would arguably be unfair to someone. Why go for an option that is definitely unfair on everyone? What you propose would be unnecessarily complicated and penalise all the couples for no reason.

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Either same as The X Factor where bottom place goes then the next two perform for survival - as long as this is explained BEFORE the show then it's fairer then suddenly ditching someone without a Dance Off on the night iself - or havea three way Dance Off where the judges vote to save one couple.”

Someone, somewhere, is going to be denied a dance-off as a result of this where they would otherwise have got one. It is better that it is done now and we lose an unpopular also-ran than do it later on in the competition and risk creating an even more controversial result.
dennisboy
02-10-2016
This just proves they should scrap the dunce off completely - and go back to other series where the couple with the lowest combined points just left.
IvanIV
02-10-2016
To use a public vote was a best way to solve this. Forcing the DO on Anastacia would equal to forcing her out of the show. If she now decides to leave it will be her decision and not because they cornered her and there was no other way out.
Fudd
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by cwickham:
“Anything they did would arguably be unfair to someone. Why go for an option that is definitely unfair on everyone? What you propose would be unnecessarily complicated and penalise all the couples for no reason.



Someone, somewhere, is going to be denied a dance-off as a result of this where they would otherwise have got one. It is better that it is done now and we lose an unpopular also-ran than do it later on in the competition and risk creating an even more controversial result.”

At least they'll know that's coming rather than having it dumped on them on the night itself with a sudden change of rules.

Originally Posted by dennisboy:
“This just proves they should scrap the dunce off completely - and go back to other series where the couple with the lowest combined points just left.”

I agree with this. It's an unncessary addition; the judges have already had their say.
cwickham
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“At least they'll know that's coming rather than having it dumped on them on the night itself with a sudden change of rules.”

Right, so it's a choice between all fifteen celebs getting unfairly shafted but seeing it coming with a solution that will also create more problems down the line, versus just Melvin arguably being treated unfairly on the night itself.

And is reverting to the public vote in these circumstances really so unfair, or such a shifting of the goalposts? It seems to me to be the logical thing to do if the dance-off can't go ahead.
tealover
02-10-2016
This forum is going to go into meltdown once the Results show has been viewed!!
Fudd
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by cwickham:
“Right, so it's a choice between all fifteen celebs getting unfairly shafted but seeing it coming with a solution that will also create more problems down the line, versus just Melvin arguably being treated unfairly on the night itself.

And is reverting to the public vote in these circumstances really so unfair, or such a shifting of the goalposts? It seems to me to be the logical thing to do if the dance-off can't go ahead.”

They wouldn't be unfairly shafted, I'd argue that's an over-reaction to the proposal. And it wouldn't create more problems down the line - especially with Anastacia and Will both seemingly injured. Having an additional couple might actually work in their favour in case of withdrawals; they could even cancel the Dance Off for the semi final and eliminate two then. Shafted when more couples get further then they would otherwise?
Monaogg
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“They wouldn't be unfairly shafted, I'd argue that's an over-reaction to the proposal. And it wouldn't create more problems down the line - especially with Anastacia and Will both seemingly injured. Having an additional couple might actually work in their favour in case of withdrawals; they could even cancel the Dance Off for the semi final and eliminate two then. Shafted when more couples get further then they would otherwise?”

Except when they got totally screwed by the judges tie in series 6, every results show has had an elimination. Do you seriously think they would even contemplate changing this just for series 16?
cwickham
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“They wouldn't be unfairly shafted, I'd argue that's an over-reaction to the proposal. And it wouldn't create more problems down the line - especially with Anastacia and Will both seemingly injured. Having an additional couple might actually work in their favour in case of withdrawals; they could even cancel the Dance Off for the semi final and eliminate two then. Shafted when more couples get further then they would otherwise?”

What if, when they decide to do a double elimination, the front-runner falls into the bottom two? Say if this had happened in the first elimination in 2013, and Tony Jacklin had been unable to perform in the dance-off and they skipped the elimination that week, then Natalie Gumede would have failed to make the final because they decided to be fairer on Tony.

You're not happy because you feel the solution the producers came up with was unfair on Melvin. I understand that, but at the same time I'm afraid I simply can't see that there was any other solution that was both workable and fair on everyone else.
sueh21
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by tealover:
“This forum is going to go into meltdown once the Results show has been viewed!! ”

Oh yes! and it is only week 2. The producers must be rubbing their hands at the publicity this will generate.
bigalt
02-10-2016
No way they gonna win this one. No matter what way they decided to go they were going to be hammered.
Wonder if viewing figures will go down a bit with people deciding to show their feelings in it.

ITT should be interesting on Monday. Will they will out a judge to explain?
SP15
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by cwickham:
“With the dance-off unable to go ahead, they decided to revert to the public vote. Is that really that unfair? Was there another workable solution?”

uhh yes she couldn't dance therefore melvin should have gone through as she couldn't be judged on her dance in the dance off.

yes Melvin was not the greatest dancer and would have gone but she withdrew through injury therefore Melvin should have stayed by default. Why can't people get their heads around this?
Monaogg
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by bigalt:
“No way they gonna win this one. No matter what way they decided to go they were going to be hammered.
Wonder if viewing figures will go down a bit with people deciding to show their feelings in it.”

Controversy usually boost viewing figures. Look at Bake Off after the hoo ha about selling it to C4.
J05h
02-10-2016
I can see them reinstating Melvin next week if their is an outcry luckily Melvin was not a favourite had it been one of the favs out due to a low public vote and they were better would the decision still be justifiable they are lucky their was a high chance anatasicia would have stayed regardless.
cwickham
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by SP15:
“uhh yes she couldn't dance therefore melvin should have gone through as she couldn't be judged on her dance in the dance off.

yes Melvin was not the greatest dancer and would have gone but she withdrew through injury therefore Melvin should have stayed by default. Why can't people get their heads around this?”

And how does that tally with the fact that any injured couple gets a bye for a week? Surely sending Anastacia home automatically would have been contrary to that?
cwickham
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by J05h:
“I can see them reinstating Melvin next week if their is an outcry”

That's not going to happen.
Monaogg
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by J05h:
“I can see them reinstating Melvin next week if their is an outcry luckily Melvin was not a favourite had it been one of the favs out due to a low public vote and they were better would the decision still be justifiable they are lucky their was a high chance anatasicia would have stayed regardless.”

Has not happened so far, when there were far more worthy returnees than Melvin.
J05h
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by SP15:
“uhh yes she couldn't dance therefore melvin should have gone through as she couldn't be judged on her dance in the dance off.

yes Melvin was not the greatest dancer and would have gone but she withdrew through injury therefore Melvin should have stayed by default. Why can't people get their heads around this?”

I agree to be honest as I said previously said the only workable solution was maybe play a replay for her and let Melvin dance or replay both if that was fairer but then Melvin would have stayed bet it was craig idea he gave her 8 last week after all he wouldn't want her to be left outside alone
J05h
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Has not happened so far, when there were far more worthy returnees than Melvin.”

I agree but imagine if say Will Young was in bottom 2 and ended up leaving would peoplebe ok with the result then.
IvanIV
02-10-2016
It's decided so no need to go around in circles, it won't change anything. Melvin will survive and if they were nice to a woman that has been through a lot then be it.
cwickham
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by J05h:
“I agree but imagine if say Will Young was in bottom 2 and ended up leaving would peoplebe ok with the result then.”

If Will danced worse than his opponent in the dance-off, or ended up bottom of the leaderboard overall, then yes.
bigalt
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Controversy usually boost viewing figures. Look at Bake Off after the hoo ha about selling it to C4.”

True,but if I felt strongly enough about it I'd switch off until Anastasia was dumped out of the show, then start watching again. Might not make much difference to the Beeb but ar least I'd have had the courage of my convictions,as it were, and I voted for her. But she did not do well in the show, she should not have danced at all by the look of it. but hey ho it's all done now.
NicPlays
02-10-2016
*prepares for outcry*
lewiep93
02-10-2016
In two minds about the result, and really, Strictly can't win either way.

While reverting to the public vote shows that Melvin was, obviously, least popular with viewers. So if people scream fix then it can't be fixed as Melvin didn't do well in the votes!

But no dance off does seem unfair, and you can argue that Anastasia is favoured far more than Melvin by NOT doing the dance off. But then again, if Anastasia was made to do the dance off people would call it cruel and unnecessary for someone who is in pain to dance again.

They can't win. The Strictly forum will go into meltdown very soon!
bigalt
02-10-2016
So true. I'm off to watch and have a rum and ginger beer.
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