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Google Pixel (Nexus) phones unveiled on 4th October
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jonmorris
14-10-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/EE/status/786239759597338624”

Just as Verizon is apparently doing.

Not good for speedy updates.

I thought even the normal Google Store models were going to support VoLTE too, and if that's not the case then that's a massive game over for me.

If the price of the Pixel XL falls, I may well get one for review purposes (assuming I can't get a long term loan model from Google or HTC) but that means I'd not be able to use VoLTE, which would be frustrating.
Faust
14-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Just as Verizon is apparently doing.

Not good for speedy updates.

I thought even the normal Google Store models were going to support VoLTE too, and if that's not the case then that's a massive game over for me.

If the price of the Pixel XL falls, I may well get one for review purposes (assuming I can't get a long term loan model from Google or HTC) but that means I'd not be able to use VoLTE, which would be frustrating.”

But you also have to consider that for Joe Public VoLTE probably wouldn't even feature on their purchasing decision. I'm really warming to this phone having now seen a few Youtube reviews. Think I would prefer to pay out for a Pixel rather than an iPhone at the same price.
jonmorris
14-10-2016
As I said before, VoLTE is not something a customer should know not care about, but they do need it if they don't want to have to change phone again when they wonder why they're not getting the same coverage as others.
Cloudane
14-10-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/EE/status/786239759597338624”

Oh dear indeed. It's a shame only Apple has the balls to stand up to this crap - expected better from Google (especially since my Nexus has Wifi Calling without being their special firmware)
Faust
14-10-2016
Originally Posted by Cloudane:
“Oh dear indeed. It's a shame only Apple has the balls to stand up to this crap - expected better from Google (especially since my Nexus has Wifi Calling without being their special firmware)”

Surely the answer is to go SIM only?
Everything Goes
14-10-2016
Originally Posted by Cloudane:
“Oh dear indeed. It's a shame only Apple has the balls to stand up to this crap - expected better from Google (especially since my Nexus has Wifi Calling without being their special firmware)”

What an absolute pile of crap. Pretty much like Verizon it will be up to EE to issue updates. The phone will be locked to EE and the Bootloader is locked too.

Yes Apple seem the best way to go for proper support plus you will get more than 2 years software updates. AVOID!

Quote:
“Hi, Google has implemented a network lock which locks the boot loader on the Pixel and Pixel XL.”

https://twitter.com/EE/status/786850087532134401
jonmorris
15-10-2016
I hope the SIM free model will also have VoLTE but I'm not 100% sure until someone gets one to try.
Faust
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“What an absolute pile of crap. Pretty much like Verizon it will be up to EE to issue updates. The phone will be locked to EE and the Bootloader is locked too.
”

But surely this only applies to 'contract phones'. Buy from Google direct or similar SIM free, it's cheaper anyway and you won't be tied in.

I have got far bigger problems to think about - it was my retirement 'do' last night and I ended up proper embarrassed. I have been presented with a brand new iPhone 7, 32 gig model as my retirement gift.

It still in it's box untouched. I am hoping I can persuade the wife to buy either a Pixel or S7 and then we can swap. Having had both an iPhone and iPad in the past I'm more than familiar with the product and I just don't think I can face going back to iOS.

Obviously a very generous gift but I just wish I had been consulted.
aurichie
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“But surely this only applies to 'contract phones'. Buy from Google direct or similar SIM free, it's cheaper anyway and you won't be tied in.

I have got far bigger problems to think about - it was my retirement 'do' last night and I ended up proper embarrassed. I have been presented with a brand new iPhone 7, 32 gig model as my retirement gift.

It still in it's box untouched. I am hoping I can persuade the wife to buy either a Pixel or S7 and then we can swap. Having had both an iPhone and iPad in the past I'm more than familiar with the product and I just don't think I can face going back to iOS.

Obviously a very generous gift but I just wish I had been consulted.”

You can always sell it boxed. You'll get very close to the retail price selling an iPhone brand new sealed.
Everything Goes
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“But surely this only applies to 'contract phones'. Buy from Google direct or similar SIM free, it's cheaper anyway and you won't be tied in.

I have got far bigger problems to think about - it was my retirement 'do' last night and I ended up proper embarrassed. I have been presented with a brand new iPhone 7, 32 gig model as my retirement gift.

It still in it's box untouched. I am hoping I can persuade the wife to buy either a Pixel or S7 and then we can swap. Having had both an iPhone and iPad in the past I'm more than familiar with the product and I just don't think I can face going back to iOS.

Obviously a very generous gift but I just wish I had been consulted.”

It's possible that VoLTE and WiFi calling will only be available on the EE version of the phone. If that is the case its another screw up for Google and Android.

Once again high power 4G will be kicked further into the long grass is Google don't sort out this almighty mess.
Faust
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“You can always sell it boxed. You'll get very close to the retail price selling an iPhone brand new sealed.”

I can't really do that with my retirement present can I, that would be rude and ungrateful in the extreme. I am going to have to keep it but hopefully the wife can use it.
Faust
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“It's possible that VoLTE and WiFi calling will only be available on the EE version of the phone. If that is the case its another screw up for Google and Android.

Once again high power 4G will be kicked further into the long grass is Google don't sort out this almighty mess.”

Just been reading this feature re: Pixel.

Quote:
“With the launch of Google's Pixel devices, consumers have to make the choice to buy from Verizon, the Google Store, or Project Fi. Unlocked phones sold outside the carrier sometimes don't work with carrier-specific features, like Wi-Fi calling. Thankfully, both Verizon and Google have confirmed to Android Police that all Pixel phones will work with Wi-Fi calling and HD voice on Verizon.

Google's statement says that even Pixel phones purchased through Project Fi will work fine with those features. This essentially means there is no reason to buy a Pixel phone through Verizon, as they will work identically. Buying the Pixel from them actually has some downsides, namely the locked bootloader.

Admittedly, when the Pixel was revealed to be a Verizon-exclusive, I anticipated slow updates and bloatware. Now that it's confirmed the Verizon model has fully removable bloatware and will receive updates at the same time as Google-sold models, it's looking better than most Android phones on Big Red.

Still, if you absolutely don't trust Verizon, this means that buying a Pixel phone through Google will net you the same features as the carrier-branded version.”

Everything Goes
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Just been reading this feature re: Pixel.
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We will have to see what happens with the EE and UK release. Im sure jonmorris will have plenty to say on the subject.
Stuart_h
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by daveh75:
“Because they've been conditioned by Google's Nexus pricing and are unable to see beyond it...”

Not true from me. I have bought Nexus phones for many years and they have all done me well. I was looking forward to pixel phones too.

But the price is wrong for the handset IMHO. Too many key features missing to allow it to mingle with the "big boys". It's not even waterproof !!

If I wanted to pay big money then I would (scarily) be more tempted to a Samsung S7 edge that looks to give you more value for money than the Google offering - and that's a sentence I never thought I would type !!
Faust
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“Not true from me. I have bought Nexus phones for many years and they have all done me well. I was looking forward to pixel phones too.

But the price is wrong for the handset IMHO. Too many key features missing to allow it to mingle with the "big boys". It's not even waterproof !!

If I wanted to pay big money then I would (scarily) be more tempted to a Samsung S7 edge that looks to give you more value for money than the Google offering - and that's a sentence I never thought I would type !!”

In my experience people buy phones that simply have to have the 'must have features' and yet the vast majority will never ever either use them or need them. It's just the same with the car market i.e. folk will pay for all the extras in many cases simply to tell everyone they have them and yet for most they are never used.

As said before most phones (excluding Xperia) weren't waterproof 12 months ago. It wasn't an issue before manufacturers started to include it. SD card, legacy and not widely supported. So what are these other key features?

At the end of the day it's not much more than pocket money pricing, at least for the smaller Pixel which is by far the best size IMO. Let's face it the Nexus were bargain basement phones with pretty ropey build quality.
Stuart_h
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“In my experience people buy phones that simply have to have the 'must have features' and yet the vast majority will never ever either use them or need them. It's just the same with the car market i.e. folk will pay for all the extras in many cases simply to tell everyone they have them and yet for most they are never used.

As said before most phones (excluding Xperia) weren't waterproof 12 months ago. It wasn't an issue before manufacturers started to include it. SD card, legacy and not widely supported. So what are these other key features?

At the end of the day it's not much more than pocket money pricing, at least for the smaller Pixel which is by far the best size IMO. Let's face it the Nexus were bargain basement phones with pretty ropey build quality.”

I know what you mean about some features not being an issue until recently but if you are going to release a phone now, for top whack prices, I would expect to see all the latest features. Personally I've never been too worries about "latest and greatest" so the Nexus suited me fine. I'll probably look at the ZTE Axon 7 when my N6 dies.

Don't get me wrong the Pixel is a reasonable phone. It looks great and has some nice features. If it was Nexus priced we would all be absolutely raving about it. But it isn't Nexus priced. They have priced it up at Apple price, and for that l, personally, I just think there is better value for money to be found.

Can I afford it ? Yes. Do I think it justifies the price ? No.

I think it will sell in reasonable numbers because Google has started to pick up a fan base. It will also benefit from the note 7 "problems". I suspect the real winners may be the mid-range unknown brands who pick up many of the old Nexus owners.
Gigabit
15-10-2016
But again, the point is that for the average person, there's nothing about the Pixel that isn't premium. I don't think the majority care about waterproofing.
alan.w
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“But again, the point is that for the average person, there's nothing about the Pixel that isn't premium. I don't think the majority care about waterproofing.”

I would like wireless charging
BKM
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“But again, the point is that for the average person, there's nothing about the Pixel that isn't premium.”

While that might be true Google have not spent years building up a "premium reputation" - at least not to the extent Apple and (to a lesser degree) Samsung have. To that extent their pricing is wildly ambitious!
Thine Wonk
15-10-2016
I think they will be shocked at how unsuccessfull it'll be and the price will drop to a more reasonable level.
LostFool
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“I think they will be shocked at how unsuccessfull it'll be and the price will drop to a more reasonable level.”

Isn't much of the high cost in the UK due to the current poor exchange rate?
1manonthebog
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Isn't much of the high cost in the UK due to the current poor exchange rate?”

It's still in iPhone territory in the US
Faust
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“I think they will be shocked at how unsuccessfull it'll be and the price will drop to a more reasonable level.”

Well time will tell but I expect them to sell well and will be in short supply due to demand.
Everything Goes
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Isn't much of the high cost in the UK due to the current poor exchange rate?”

The price for the USA is equally stupid.
Thine Wonk
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Isn't much of the high cost in the UK due to the current poor exchange rate?”

We only really has a surge in the last 2 years against the Euro.

Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“The price for the USA is equally stupid.”

Yeah it's expensive all over not just in the UK, they have marketed it and priced it as equal to the iPhone, which I think is a mistake.
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