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Google Pixel (Nexus) phones unveiled on 4th October
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omnidirectional
03-10-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“It's shocking that even Google can't be bothered to support a device with updates for even 2 full years. The 18 month commitment is laughable.”

The end of support dates provided by Google aren't set in stone. I have an old Nexus 5 which is still getting monthly security updates 3 years after release, but according to the list it should have stopped last October.
Thine Wonk
03-10-2016
I think 3-4 years is fair.
noise747
03-10-2016
It looks ok, but that is it, nothing ground breaking for the price. I was hoping it would have been something to maybe replace my Nexus 4 with if I decided to replace it, but I am looking at the one+ 3, looks pretty good for the price,
jonmorris
03-10-2016
The promise of native Android is about it, and despite some making out that this is the most important thing ever, the average consumer isn't really that bothered. If they were, they wouldn't buy a Samsung phone.

Nexus phones have never been huge sellers and this is only likely to get worse. I am amazed Google didn't learn from the problems with the Nexus 6 and Nexus 9, which Google admitted had been too expensive.

Then they do it again!
blueisthecolour
03-10-2016
It must be about a decade since i've owned a phone that lasted more than two years without developing some fatal error. Well technically my HTC One M8 was still going when I sold it back in February but it had so many bugs it could of only been a matter of time. I'd already sent it back to HTC for repair 3 times.
CheshireBumpkin
03-10-2016
Originally Posted by noise747:
“It looks ok, but that is it, nothing ground breaking for the price. I was hoping it would have been something to maybe replace my Nexus 4 with if I decided to replace it, but I am looking at the one+ 3, looks pretty good for the price,”

The Nexus 4 was a lovely phone - I think it was the pinnacle of Google own-brand devices. It's the last one I had, and will remain so by the looks of the latest ones!
jonmorris
03-10-2016
The Nexus 5 turned out good in the end (the camera actually being quite good when they fixed the software) and the 6 was great - if expensive and niche. I think the 6P was by far the best Nexus.

I can't see how these new phones are going to get anything but slated.
aurichie
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“I never said it wasn't an issue, but you don't need to blow it all out of proportion with sensationalist stuff (e.g. Note 7 for terrorists, phones exploding etc).

Google hasn't said it won't keep doing updates for older phones. It has just stopped guaranteeing it.

And I am with you on this, FWIW, but you know as well as I do that one thing with a Nexus phone is that it's dead easy to flash with another ROM. Nougat is already available for other models, and I expect most people who bought a Nexus phone are more clued up than the average punter, so will actually have the knowledge or means to flash a ROM.”

Perhaps Samsung is blowing the Note 7 stuff out of all proportion when they say the recall due to exploding handsets is going to cost them billions of dollars. Anyway....

Flashing devices with custom roms is an absolute no-no for me for security reasons. Not blowing it out of proportion to suggest you just don't know what nasty stuff might be buried inside them, and if you're doing things like banking, logging into accounts, paying for goods and services, etc. then best of luck to you. I know there's a community of decent people who dedicate themselves to providing these things, and I'm sure the vast majority of them are relatively safe to use, but still it requires a certain level of blind trust that I cannot accept. I would rather buy a new device than risk it.
noise747
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by CheshireBumpkin:
“The Nexus 4 was a lovely phone - I think it was the pinnacle of Google own-brand devices. It's the last one I had, and will remain so by the looks of the latest ones!”

TBH I do not really need a new phone, my Nexus 4 while over 3 years old now is still working fine, it does what I need it for. I am not one of these people that spends a lot of time with my pocket, it normally stays in my pocket until I need to use it to call or text someone. Saying that I am using it for spotify now as long as vodafone get their signal sorted out.

So maybe next year I may get a new phone, but then again I am wondering why bother as a new phone will still do the same things I am doing with my old phone.
jonmorris
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Perhaps Samsung is blowing the Note 7 stuff out of all proportion when they say the recall due to exploding handsets is going to cost them billions of dollars. Anyway....

Flashing devices with custom roms is an absolute no-no for me for security reasons. Not blowing it out of proportion to suggest you just don't know what nasty stuff might be buried inside them, and if you're doing things like banking, logging into accounts, paying for goods and services, etc. then best of luck to you. I know there's a community of decent people who dedicate themselves to providing these things, and I'm sure the vast majority of them are relatively safe to use, but still it requires a certain level of blind trust that I cannot accept. I would rather buy a new device than risk it.”

Not a single phone has exploded, but you like the word so I'll let you keep using it if it makes you feel better.

As for custom ROMs, I'd have no qualms about Cyanogen OS and doubt anyone would download a ROM from an untrusted site. There are plenty of trusted sites, as you must know if you've used Android, so it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

Also, the Nexus 6 now has official Nougat about to go out. That is over 18 months old.
Mark in Essex
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by noise747:
“TBH I do not really need a new phone, my Nexus 4 while over 3 years old now is still working fine, it does what I need it for. I am not one of these people that spends a lot of time with my pocket, it normally stays in my pocket until I need to use it to call or text someone. Saying that I am using it for spotify now as long as vodafone get their signal sorted out.

So maybe next year I may get a new phone, but then again I am wondering why bother as a new phone will still do the same things I am doing with my old phone.”

Same here.

I'm hanging onto my 2.5 year old Galaxy S5 on Three as it's still working perfectly fine and also supports Three's 800mhz and VoIP.

It will probably go wrong now I've said that.
aurichie
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Not a single phone has exploded, but you like the word so I'll let you keep using it if it makes you feel better.

As for custom ROMs, I'd have no qualms about Cyanogen OS and doubt anyone would download a ROM from an untrusted site. There are plenty of trusted sites, as you must know if you've used Android, so it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

Also, the Nexus 6 now has official Nougat about to go out. That is over 18 months old.”

Yep I know plenty of people are willing to take their chances with custom roms. I am not one of them. Whether you want to believe it or not, there will always be some risk involved. I am not willing to take those unnecessary risks.
jonmorris
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Yep I know plenty of people are willing to take their chances with custom roms. I am not one of them. Whether you want to believe it or not, there will always be some risk involved. I am not willing to take those unnecessary risks.”

I've had more problems updating OSes the official way. I've had problems with upgrading Windows, many issues upgrading OSX (including one that needed a complete OS reinstall, after failing with Kernal issues at boot-up) and I think you know about the various issues upgrading iOS.

So, there's a risk in ANY upgrade.

Anyway, an awful lot of people aren't bothered about the OS as long as their browser, email client and other apps are always updated, and they get the security patches.
aurichie
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“I've had more problems updating OSes the official way. I've had problems with upgrading Windows, many issues upgrading OSX (including one that needed a complete OS reinstall, after failing with Kernal issues at boot-up) and I think you know about the various issues upgrading iOS.

So, there's a risk in ANY upgrade.

Anyway, an awful lot of people aren't bothered about the OS as long as their browser, email client and other apps are always updated, and they get the security patches.”

Absolutely. Only last week Microsoft pushed out a dodgy Windows 10 update. And yes, Apple has had similar problems with iOS - although they are seem much more agile and able to quickly either fix or pull bad updates. Microsoft just seems to leave them in the system and hope as few people get bit by any bugs. Anyway I try not to rush in to any unnecessary software updates on day one anymore. I wait to see what many others are saying before I update anything, These are different kinds of risks though, and you can take sensible precautions to safeguard yourself.

I absolutely respect your choice if you are happy and feel there is no real risks attached to using custom roms from a specific group. It's probably a bit hypercritical of me because I actually use Linux on one machine here, and no less it is a distribution that recently had their website hacked and served up malicious ISOs for a few days as a result. But I still feel less comfortable with the idea of using custom roms on my smartphone. Maybe I am being unfair, but it's just my honest feeling and assessment.
Everything Goes
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Absolutely. Only last week Microsoft pushed out a dodgy Windows 10 update. And yes, Apple has had similar problems with iOS - although they are seem much more agile and able to quickly either fix or pull bad updates. Microsoft just seems to leave them in the system and hope as few people get bit by any bugs. Anyway I try not to rush in to any unnecessary software updates on day one anymore. I wait to see what many others are saying before I update anything, These are different kinds of risks though, and you can take sensible precautions to safeguard yourself.

I absolutely respect your choice if you are happy and feel there is no real risks attached to using custom roms from a specific group. It's probably a bit hypercritical of me because I actually use Linux on one machine here, and no less it is a distribution that recently had their website hacked and served up malicious ISOs for a few days as a result. But I still feel less comfortable with the idea of using custom roms on my smartphone. Maybe I am being unfair, but it's just my honest feeling and assessment.”

I had that issue too

This fixed it:

http://sihmar.com/2016/09/29/fix-cum...-fail-install/
Eadfrith
04-10-2016
Where is the best place to watch this event or follow it online?
aurichie
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by Eadfrith:
“Where is the best place to watch this event or follow it online?”

You can watch here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4y0KOeXViI
aurichie
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“I had that issue too

This fixed it:

http://sihmar.com/2016/09/29/fix-cum...-fail-install/”

Thanks!

I guess it's advisable to do that regedit before even attempting the update? I still haven't braved it yet.
Everything Goes
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“You can watch here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4y0KOeXViI”

Was just going to post that. Live at 5pm today. There is a blog as well you can keep track of:

https://live.theverge.com/google-pix...hardware-2016/
Everything Goes
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Thanks!

I guess it's advisable to do that regedit before even attempting the update? I still haven't braved it yet.”

I did all the instructions in Update 2 including regedit.
Eadfrith
04-10-2016
ohh thanks everyone !
blueisthecolour
04-10-2016
I should say that i've got the Nexus 6P and it works pretty well.

I can't use Miracast to my tv like I did on the HTC OneM8 but I understand that's a change to Android rather than the phone.
AxeVictim
04-10-2016
From $649 wonder how much the 128gb XL version is
d123
04-10-2016
US prices starting at $649?

Isn't that the same starting price as the iPhone?
jonmorris
04-10-2016
So only EE ranging it.

Otherwise you can get one from Carphone Warehouse or Play Store.

So underwhelmed so far, and will anyone upgrade to a new phone for the Daydream VR headset?

From an industry point of view, everyone must hope so, as it will sell new phones to people who have perfectly good devices now.
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