Google Pixel (Nexus) phones unveiled on 4th October

jonmorris · 23-10-2016, 16:36

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How much storage is that taking up UK maps?

Only issue is cradle, which I hate. I prefer using a bean bag on top of dashboard. They are moved in a second and leave no unsightly marks on the windscreen nor do you need to deface dash for cradle if dash mounting.

I have this cradle and it's awesome: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BZWW3ES - Amazon tells me I bought it on the 26th October 2014, so it has lasted two years without falling off, or any part of it wearing so it won't grip properly - like so many other cheap ones I had before did.

It's easy to slot any phone in (well the 6P was a squeeze) and I run a cable underneath that's held on by adhesive clips to power. You will need to charge while using it, as obviously the screen being on and using GPS will drain your battery faster. There's a power save mode that slows down the map refresh rate, but even in that mode it's faster than a standalone unit where I expect the processor is very low rent!

The UK and Ireland maps take up around 800MB of storage. The whole of Europe and beyond will use considerably more, but you can install on a country by country, or region, basis.

Faust · 23-10-2016, 16:38

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

The OnePlus 3 is not too good to be true. It's a cracking phone, with the same chipset as both Pixel phones.

Snapdragon 821 is just 820 clocked higher. Snapdragon 801 was 800. Qualcomm and others do this because manufacturers want to be able to sell a new phone with the 'latest' chipset, so it's not as if the Pixel has any stupendous hardware inside that nobody else has ever done, or could do, or will do.

Snapdragon 830 is the next step and that will come next year. Perhaps early next year. If Samsung is going to use it, it could mean February next year - or sooner if the company decides to bring forward its schedule because of the Note 7 problems.

Naturally, then everyone will be saying the only game in town is the iPhone and the <Samsung S7 successor>, whatever that might be called.

Perhaps this is a problem with releasing devices at this time of year, as the 6P was a Snapdragon 810 phone that was late in the day. Arguably some issues were addressed when it came to overheating, so that was a plus, but if Google wants to be ahead of the pack then it might need to work a bit closer with Qualcomm and fall into line with its roadmap.

I think we will have to agree to disagree about this. I've read some iffy stuff on various forums regarding poor service, variable battery life and general slow downs. Also this is too big a phone for me.

Faust · 23-10-2016, 16:43

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

I have this cradle and it's awesome: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BZWW3ES - Amazon tells me I bought it on the 26th October 2014, so it has lasted two years without falling off, or any part of it wearing so it won't grip properly - like so many other cheap ones I had before did.

It's easy to slot any phone in (well the 6P was a squeeze) and I run a cable underneath that's held on by adhesive clips to power. You will need to charge while using it, as obviously the screen being on and using GPS will drain your battery faster. There's a power save mode that slows down the map refresh rate, but even in that mode it's faster than a standalone unit where I expect the processor is very low rent!

The UK and Ireland maps take up around 800MB of storage. The whole of Europe and beyond will use considerably more, but you can install on a country by country, or region, basis.

That mount could be used on a bean bag so no need to run cables anywhere as they would need to hang loose.

jonmorris · 23-10-2016, 16:47

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Originally Posted by Faust

I think we will have to agree to disagree about this. I've read some iffy stuff on various forums regarding poor service, variable battery life and general slow downs. Also this is too big a phone for me.

So I assume you only like the Pixel, not the Pixel XL as the XL is bigger in all three dimensions than the OnePlus 3.

The XL has a higher resolution display, although I've gone from QHD screened phones back to FHD many times this year and not thought any looked inferior. It's not like HD to FHD, where you can tell a difference.

The OP3 also has a better charging system (but you need different kit to use it) and 6GB of RAM, but the Pixel has the better camera. Otherwise, it's down your desire to have vanilla Android or Oxygen OS.

You're right that some people have had iffy service with regards to faults. But O2 now sells the phone, so if you buy from there you do at least get to go back to a shop instead of going online and sending something away.

Gigabit · 23-10-2016, 16:49

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

...but if Google wants to be ahead of the pack then it might need to work a bit closer with Qualcomm and fall into line with its roadmap.

I think it is quite likely that Google uses its own CPU from next year, or its own GPU perhaps.

jonmorris · 23-10-2016, 16:52

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

I think it is quite likely that Google uses its own CPU from next year, or its own GPU perhaps.

I suppose someone wants to beat Apple. Huawei just launched Kirin 960 and couldn't claim to beat the A10, so just concentrated on the other chipsets.

I know that when you compare different OSes scores can vary or even not compare like for like, but I'm sure everyone wants to beat Apple - and the industry as a whole likes the whole game if it gets people caught up who feel they must upgrade over and over.

daveh75 · 23-10-2016, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Faust

It appears from your reply that you are not a premium purchaser but look instead for perceived bargains. The OP3 looks a great bargain on paper. However, I have always believed if it looks to be too good to be true it probably is.

Bland is good, bland never goes out of fashion and never clashes with anything else. For me at present the iPhone and the Pixel are the only game in town.

Wrong. I don't buy based on price, or perceived bargains. I could have had any phone I wanted, it's just nothing in the high end bracket has appealed recently. The fact my current phones are in the mid range price bracket is just an added bonus.

I previously bought Nexus because of updates and the pure Android experience.

I backed the Nexbit because i liked the design and was unlike anything else on the market, and i was prepared to take a risk backing an unknown entity (though as it was Scott Croyle, and ex-Googlers behind Nexbit, that gave me confidence, they'd make good on what they were promising)

It was also a $100 dearer than it is now.

I went with the OP3 because of my experience with the OPO (COS aside, which was remedied with alternate ROMs) again because I was prepared to take a risk in an unknown. And they're not to be good to be true, and their H/W speaks for itself!

I wasn't a fan of their early PR to be fair, but they've grown up a lot...

If a Pixel 2, or another Premium device I like comes along in the future I'll have no qualms about jumping aboard.

Incidentally, I use a Macbook Pro (running Linux) and a Chromebook Pixel....

tghe-retford · 23-10-2016, 21:58

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Originally Posted by daveh75

Ditto. Same for most around me. They're either gathering dust, or haven't been replaced when they've died

Exactly. The money saved from not buying a tablet can go on buying a smartphone with a screen that is approaching the size of a small tablet. That's what people are doing, instead of buying two devices and spreading the cost between them, people are now saving up for a larger, premium smartphone using the savings that would have gone on purchasing a separate tablet. Smartphones and to a lesser extent, smart TV's in bedrooms becoming affordable have chipped away at tablet use and a modest can do more than a tablet at the same price. This is why we're seeing Google's Pixel phones at the centre of their marketing and nothing regarding tablets.

The statistics on market share suggest that tablets are suffering due to smartphone growth, larger smartphone spending and to a lesser extent, a resurgence in laptop sales.

jonmorris · 23-10-2016, 22:12

Google did discount its premium tablet (Pixel C) so I wonder if that will be quietly removed from sale soon? In the summer, I got a voucher code for 25% off so it can't have sold well at all. Anyone could get the discount by just following a link.

Android 7 actually makes tablets more usable, although I don't know if the Pixel C gets proper windowed apps, or just a split screen (it was in the beta, but did it make the final?).

At £399, it's also quite cheap in comparison so perhaps it won't really help with the belief that Pixel is a high-premium brand.

Faust · 23-10-2016, 22:49

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Originally Posted by tghe-retford

Exactly. The money saved from not buying a tablet can go on buying a smartphone with a screen that is approaching the size of a small tablet. That's what people are doing, instead of buying two devices and spreading the cost between them, people are now saving up for a larger, premium smartphone using the savings that would have gone on purchasing a separate tablet. Smartphones and to a lesser extent, smart TV's in bedrooms becoming affordable have chipped away at tablet use and a modest can do more than a tablet at the same price. This is why we're seeing Google's Pixel phones at the centre of their marketing and nothing regarding tablets.

The statistics on market share suggest that tablets are suffering due to smartphone growth, larger smartphone spending and to a lesser extent, a resurgence in laptop sales.

Not all people. I buy a phone, a 10 inch tablet, a Mac desktop and a Laptop. The edges will not get blurred with my purchasing as each one has a distinct function. Why would I want to sit there squinting at a phablet when I can read comfortably on a 10 inch tablet? Oh and they will all be premium purchases. I don't buy often but when I do use the maxim you buy cheap and you buy twice.

Even for the top selling iPhone, the largest Plus model only accounts for 10% of sales.

Regarding the earlier posts re: my comments on the OnePlus 3. I note there are some poor reviews about this phone including bad after sales service on the Amazon website.

daveh75 · 26-10-2016, 02:07

Interesting read on the possible timeline of the Pixel from Ron Amadeo @ Ars

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/...oogle-product/

aurichie · 26-10-2016, 05:42

There are definitely things about the Pixel that feel half-finshed or rushed. It's not really acceptable that they rushed into a version 0.5 marked up at iPhone prices. I think I'm going to wait another year to see what they do before I buy.

Everything Goes · 26-10-2016, 07:40

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Originally Posted by daveh75

Interesting read on the possible timeline of the Pixel from Ron Amadeo @ Ars

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/...oogle-product/

Thanks for the link very interesting. Looks like HTC were working on a phone code named Cerberus when Google came along to them wanting this year's "Nexus" and due to the 9 months turn around time it's been a half baked afair. So we have very much a HTC phone in disguise but with many elements missing due to time constraints on the project.

bikerlad · 26-10-2016, 08:23

Not sure I like the sound of the lens flare issue. A hardware problem that Google will try and resolve in software. It's good they acknowledged it so quickly, but hopefully a hardware fix will come along soon too.

jonmorris · 26-10-2016, 10:11

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Originally Posted by bikerlad

Not sure I like the sound of the lens flare issue. A hardware problem that Google will try and resolve in software. It's good they acknowledged it so quickly, but hopefully a hardware fix will come along soon too.

This is one of the many reasons all those early reviews, all rushed to be ready to post when the embargo lifted, can be so dangerous.

All of them said how fantastic the phone was/is and obviously didn't mention things that users are now bringing up - like issues with the battery (not so much poor battery life, but rather issues with Android 7 that can cause excessive drain) and now the lens flare problem that I can replicate quite easily, although to be fair - I wouldn't say is a big deal because it won't happen on most photos you or I would take.

The phone being rushed doesn't surprise me. So was the 5X and 6P and all phones before, and just as with those, it seems that Google took an existing product in development to make it its own.

I can go back to the Galaxy Nexus S, made by Samsung, as a perfect example. How do I know? Because almost a year previous I was paid as a consultant to attend a design studio in Clerkenwell and comment on this very product, due to become a Samsung phone. Then that was cancelled and the EXACT SAME thing appeared as the new Nexus phone.

Makes you wonder, again, why Google can command so much money for a phone that was designed and 'made by Google' when I bet the truth is far from that.. Google had an influence on certain aspects, but that's it.

Now if Google had kept Motorola, it could perhaps have designed from scratch a phone and going forward, perhaps it's going to have to change the way it does things. It can't just look around the world for a phone to rebadge (leave that to the likes of Wileyfox and others) and must do its own thing - properly.

[Edit: I am still loving the Pixel XL by the way. It is a great phone, but still nobody can convince me it's worth £720-820!]

BKM · 26-10-2016, 11:07

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

All of them said how fantastic the phone was/is and obviously didn't mention things that users are now bringing up - like issues with the battery (not so much poor battery life, but rather issues with Android 7 that can cause excessive drain) and now the lens flare problem that I can replicate quite easily, although to be fair - I wouldn't say is a big deal because it won't happen on most photos you or I would take.

I saw one review yesterday which said that the Pixel "was the best Android phone you could buy" - that must be annoying to Samsung!

Faust · 26-10-2016, 11:32

Very interesting link that. Perhaps it might be more prudent to await Pixel 2.

jonmorris · 26-10-2016, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Faust

Very interesting link that. Perhaps it might be more prudent to await Pixel 2.

Or wait for some price cutting, which will happen if sales aren't amazing.

I'd recommend waiting until Black Friday as Google has been known to do some good deals then. It's only a month from now. (If not the Pixel, no doubt there will be deals on the other Google products).

daveh75 · 26-10-2016, 15:40

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Or wait for some price cutting, which will happen if sales aren't amazing.

They seem to be selling a lot better than Google were expecting.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10...ausing-delays/

blueisthecolour · 26-10-2016, 15:40

Should be getting a cheque for £400 (or there abouts) for my damaged Nexus 6P so need to find a replacement. . . . .

I imagine i'll just get another 6P.

I noticed on TechRadar's website that they still consider the Galaxy S7 edge to be the best phone on the market (XL is at 8 and Pixel 6).

jonmorris · 26-10-2016, 16:02

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Originally Posted by blueisthecolour

Should be getting a cheque for £400 (or there abouts) for my damaged Nexus 6P so need to find a replacement. . . . .

I imagine i'll just get another 6P.

I noticed on TechRadar's website that they still consider the Galaxy S7 edge to be the best phone on the market (XL is at 8 and Pixel 6).

It's tough. The XL is better in many ways, but in this current grey, overcast, weather the photos I'm getting are far from wonderful and I can't really see much difference than the 6P.

Yes, autofocus is quicker. Yes the stabilisation on the Pixel is far, far better on video.. but ultimately the image sensor itself is the same resolution and with the same sized pixels.

I'm coping with the loss of the stereo speakers, but the faster 4G and VoLTE support on EE, plus the supposed ability to hand off from Wi-Fi calling at home to VoLTE when going out, are things that I do quite like. Benefits of getting a phone one year newer.

But it's a lot of money to shell out for things like this, when for most of the time you won't be aware of any real difference.

Google Assistant is pretty damn awful. Asking it really basic questions and it just coming back with what I could have done a Google search for. Frankly, it has a LONG LONG way to go and seems to be better set up for American users at the moment.

Everything Goes · 26-10-2016, 22:36

HTC continue to make massive losses

HTC are continuing to make massive losses. In the last three months they lost $133 Million. They have been making large losses for a few years. So I wonder if they are betting the farm on the Pixel?

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HTC reports that it lost $133 million between July 1st and October 1st. This should cover the time when it started billing Google for Pixel manufacturing (we're speculating here as there were no big HTC releases in that quarter to explain the increased revenue). In the previous quarter, HTC lost $152 million, and Q3 2015 was only a bit worse than the new report with a $139 million loss.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10...-pixel-launch/

Faust · 27-10-2016, 22:47

Has everyone noticed Google has released a press statement stating they are aware some users are having a problem with picture flare or an arc when taking pictures in certain conditions? They are trying to engineer a software update.

However, a number of users are saying this isn't a satisfactory solution to a hardware issue.

gomezz · 27-10-2016, 23:05

Why not? It was good enough for Hubble!

blueisthecolour · 28-10-2016, 10:00

So, i got my money from the insurance (Amazon voucher rather than cheque).

Can anyone make a case for me not just getting another Nexus 6P? It's £385 on Amazon a the moment.

Just to say:

I'm happy with the design and build of the 6P
Happy with the camera
Storage space if fine as I use the cloud
Signal and phone calls are fine.
Screen is good and the phone seems to work fast.

Am I missing anything? Any new technology that likely to leave my phone obsolete in the next year - 18 months?

23-10-2016, 16:36	#501
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust How much storage is that taking up UK maps? Only issue is cradle, which I hate. I prefer using a bean bag on top of dashboard. They are moved in a second and leave no unsightly marks on the windscreen nor do you need to deface dash for cradle if dash mounting. I have this cradle and it's awesome: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BZWW3ES - Amazon tells me I bought it on the 26th October 2014, so it has lasted two years without falling off, or any part of it wearing so it won't grip properly - like so many other cheap ones I had before did. It's easy to slot any phone in (well the 6P was a squeeze) and I run a cable underneath that's held on by adhesive clips to power. You will need to charge while using it, as obviously the screen being on and using GPS will drain your battery faster. There's a power save mode that slows down the map refresh rate, but even in that mode it's faster than a standalone unit where I expect the processor is very low rent! The UK and Ireland maps take up around 800MB of storage. The whole of Europe and beyond will use considerably more, but you can install on a country by country, or region, basis.

23-10-2016, 16:38	#502
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris The OnePlus 3 is not too good to be true. It's a cracking phone, with the same chipset as both Pixel phones. Snapdragon 821 is just 820 clocked higher. Snapdragon 801 was 800. Qualcomm and others do this because manufacturers want to be able to sell a new phone with the 'latest' chipset, so it's not as if the Pixel has any stupendous hardware inside that nobody else has ever done, or could do, or will do. Snapdragon 830 is the next step and that will come next year. Perhaps early next year. If Samsung is going to use it, it could mean February next year - or sooner if the company decides to bring forward its schedule because of the Note 7 problems. Naturally, then everyone will be saying the only game in town is the iPhone and the <Samsung S7 successor>, whatever that might be called. Perhaps this is a problem with releasing devices at this time of year, as the 6P was a Snapdragon 810 phone that was late in the day. Arguably some issues were addressed when it came to overheating, so that was a plus, but if Google wants to be ahead of the pack then it might need to work a bit closer with Qualcomm and fall into line with its roadmap. I think we will have to agree to disagree about this. I've read some iffy stuff on various forums regarding poor service, variable battery life and general slow downs. Also this is too big a phone for me.

23-10-2016, 16:43	#503
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris I have this cradle and it's awesome: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BZWW3ES - Amazon tells me I bought it on the 26th October 2014, so it has lasted two years without falling off, or any part of it wearing so it won't grip properly - like so many other cheap ones I had before did. It's easy to slot any phone in (well the 6P was a squeeze) and I run a cable underneath that's held on by adhesive clips to power. You will need to charge while using it, as obviously the screen being on and using GPS will drain your battery faster. There's a power save mode that slows down the map refresh rate, but even in that mode it's faster than a standalone unit where I expect the processor is very low rent! The UK and Ireland maps take up around 800MB of storage. The whole of Europe and beyond will use considerably more, but you can install on a country by country, or region, basis. That mount could be used on a bean bag so no need to run cables anywhere as they would need to hang loose.

23-10-2016, 16:47	#504
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust I think we will have to agree to disagree about this. I've read some iffy stuff on various forums regarding poor service, variable battery life and general slow downs. Also this is too big a phone for me. So I assume you only like the Pixel, not the Pixel XL as the XL is bigger in all three dimensions than the OnePlus 3. The XL has a higher resolution display, although I've gone from QHD screened phones back to FHD many times this year and not thought any looked inferior. It's not like HD to FHD, where you can tell a difference. The OP3 also has a better charging system (but you need different kit to use it) and 6GB of RAM, but the Pixel has the better camera. Otherwise, it's down your desire to have vanilla Android or Oxygen OS. You're right that some people have had iffy service with regards to faults. But O2 now sells the phone, so if you buy from there you do at least get to go back to a shop instead of going online and sending something away.

23-10-2016, 16:49	#505
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris ...but if Google wants to be ahead of the pack then it might need to work a bit closer with Qualcomm and fall into line with its roadmap. I think it is quite likely that Google uses its own CPU from next year, or its own GPU perhaps.

23-10-2016, 16:52	#506
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit I think it is quite likely that Google uses its own CPU from next year, or its own GPU perhaps. I suppose someone wants to beat Apple. Huawei just launched Kirin 960 and couldn't claim to beat the A10, so just concentrated on the other chipsets. I know that when you compare different OSes scores can vary or even not compare like for like, but I'm sure everyone wants to beat Apple - and the industry as a whole likes the whole game if it gets people caught up who feel they must upgrade over and over.

23-10-2016, 17:10	#507
daveh75 Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northumberland Posts: 280	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust It appears from your reply that you are not a premium purchaser but look instead for perceived bargains. The OP3 looks a great bargain on paper. However, I have always believed if it looks to be too good to be true it probably is. Bland is good, bland never goes out of fashion and never clashes with anything else. For me at present the iPhone and the Pixel are the only game in town. Wrong. I don't buy based on price, or perceived bargains. I could have had any phone I wanted, it's just nothing in the high end bracket has appealed recently. The fact my current phones are in the mid range price bracket is just an added bonus. I previously bought Nexus because of updates and the pure Android experience. I backed the Nexbit because i liked the design and was unlike anything else on the market, and i was prepared to take a risk backing an unknown entity (though as it was Scott Croyle, and ex-Googlers behind Nexbit, that gave me confidence, they'd make good on what they were promising) It was also a $100 dearer than it is now. I went with the OP3 because of my experience with the OPO (COS aside, which was remedied with alternate ROMs) again because I was prepared to take a risk in an unknown. And they're not to be good to be true, and their H/W speaks for itself! I wasn't a fan of their early PR to be fair, but they've grown up a lot... If a Pixel 2, or another Premium device I like comes along in the future I'll have no qualms about jumping aboard. Incidentally, I use a Macbook Pro (running Linux) and a Chromebook Pixel....

23-10-2016, 21:58	#508
tghe-retford Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Retford Posts: 20,464	Quote: Originally Posted by daveh75 Ditto. Same for most around me. They're either gathering dust, or haven't been replaced when they've died Exactly. The money saved from not buying a tablet can go on buying a smartphone with a screen that is approaching the size of a small tablet. That's what people are doing, instead of buying two devices and spreading the cost between them, people are now saving up for a larger, premium smartphone using the savings that would have gone on purchasing a separate tablet. Smartphones and to a lesser extent, smart TV's in bedrooms becoming affordable have chipped away at tablet use and a modest can do more than a tablet at the same price. This is why we're seeing Google's Pixel phones at the centre of their marketing and nothing regarding tablets. The statistics on market share suggest that tablets are suffering due to smartphone growth, larger smartphone spending and to a lesser extent, a resurgence in laptop sales.

23-10-2016, 22:12	#509
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Google did discount its premium tablet (Pixel C) so I wonder if that will be quietly removed from sale soon? In the summer, I got a voucher code for 25% off so it can't have sold well at all. Anyone could get the discount by just following a link. Android 7 actually makes tablets more usable, although I don't know if the Pixel C gets proper windowed apps, or just a split screen (it was in the beta, but did it make the final?). At £399, it's also quite cheap in comparison so perhaps it won't really help with the belief that Pixel is a high-premium brand.

23-10-2016, 22:49	#510
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by tghe-retford Exactly. The money saved from not buying a tablet can go on buying a smartphone with a screen that is approaching the size of a small tablet. That's what people are doing, instead of buying two devices and spreading the cost between them, people are now saving up for a larger, premium smartphone using the savings that would have gone on purchasing a separate tablet. Smartphones and to a lesser extent, smart TV's in bedrooms becoming affordable have chipped away at tablet use and a modest can do more than a tablet at the same price. This is why we're seeing Google's Pixel phones at the centre of their marketing and nothing regarding tablets. The statistics on market share suggest that tablets are suffering due to smartphone growth, larger smartphone spending and to a lesser extent, a resurgence in laptop sales. Not all people. I buy a phone, a 10 inch tablet, a Mac desktop and a Laptop. The edges will not get blurred with my purchasing as each one has a distinct function. Why would I want to sit there squinting at a phablet when I can read comfortably on a 10 inch tablet? Oh and they will all be premium purchases. I don't buy often but when I do use the maxim you buy cheap and you buy twice. Even for the top selling iPhone, the largest Plus model only accounts for 10% of sales. Regarding the earlier posts re: my comments on the OnePlus 3. I note there are some poor reviews about this phone including bad after sales service on the Amazon website.

26-10-2016, 02:07	#511
daveh75 Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northumberland Posts: 280	Interesting read on the possible timeline of the Pixel from Ron Amadeo @ Ars http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/...oogle-product/

26-10-2016, 05:42	#512
aurichie Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 5,100	There are definitely things about the Pixel that feel half-finshed or rushed. It's not really acceptable that they rushed into a version 0.5 marked up at iPhone prices. I think I'm going to wait another year to see what they do before I buy.

26-10-2016, 07:40	#513
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Quote: Originally Posted by daveh75 Interesting read on the possible timeline of the Pixel from Ron Amadeo @ Ars http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/...oogle-product/ Thanks for the link very interesting. Looks like HTC were working on a phone code named Cerberus when Google came along to them wanting this year's "Nexus" and due to the 9 months turn around time it's been a half baked afair. So we have very much a HTC phone in disguise but with many elements missing due to time constraints on the project.

26-10-2016, 08:23	#514
bikerlad Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London Posts: 391	Not sure I like the sound of the lens flare issue. A hardware problem that Google will try and resolve in software. It's good they acknowledged it so quickly, but hopefully a hardware fix will come along soon too.

26-10-2016, 10:11	#515
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by bikerlad Not sure I like the sound of the lens flare issue. A hardware problem that Google will try and resolve in software. It's good they acknowledged it so quickly, but hopefully a hardware fix will come along soon too. This is one of the many reasons all those early reviews, all rushed to be ready to post when the embargo lifted, can be so dangerous. All of them said how fantastic the phone was/is and obviously didn't mention things that users are now bringing up - like issues with the battery (not so much poor battery life, but rather issues with Android 7 that can cause excessive drain) and now the lens flare problem that I can replicate quite easily, although to be fair - I wouldn't say is a big deal because it won't happen on most photos you or I would take. The phone being rushed doesn't surprise me. So was the 5X and 6P and all phones before, and just as with those, it seems that Google took an existing product in development to make it its own. I can go back to the Galaxy Nexus S, made by Samsung, as a perfect example. How do I know? Because almost a year previous I was paid as a consultant to attend a design studio in Clerkenwell and comment on this very product, due to become a Samsung phone. Then that was cancelled and the EXACT SAME thing appeared as the new Nexus phone. Makes you wonder, again, why Google can command so much money for a phone that was designed and 'made by Google' when I bet the truth is far from that.. Google had an influence on certain aspects, but that's it. Now if Google had kept Motorola, it could perhaps have designed from scratch a phone and going forward, perhaps it's going to have to change the way it does things. It can't just look around the world for a phone to rebadge (leave that to the likes of Wileyfox and others) and must do its own thing - properly. [Edit: I am still loving the Pixel XL by the way. It is a great phone, but still nobody can convince me it's worth £720-820!]

26-10-2016, 11:07	#516
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris All of them said how fantastic the phone was/is and obviously didn't mention things that users are now bringing up - like issues with the battery (not so much poor battery life, but rather issues with Android 7 that can cause excessive drain) and now the lens flare problem that I can replicate quite easily, although to be fair - I wouldn't say is a big deal because it won't happen on most photos you or I would take. I saw one review yesterday which said that the Pixel "was the best Android phone you could buy" - that must be annoying to Samsung!

26-10-2016, 11:32	#517
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Very interesting link that. Perhaps it might be more prudent to await Pixel 2.

26-10-2016, 12:19	#518
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust Very interesting link that. Perhaps it might be more prudent to await Pixel 2. Or wait for some price cutting, which will happen if sales aren't amazing. I'd recommend waiting until Black Friday as Google has been known to do some good deals then. It's only a month from now. (If not the Pixel, no doubt there will be deals on the other Google products).

26-10-2016, 15:40	#519
daveh75 Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northumberland Posts: 280	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris Or wait for some price cutting, which will happen if sales aren't amazing. They seem to be selling a lot better than Google were expecting. http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10...ausing-delays/

26-10-2016, 15:40	#520
blueisthecolour Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Posts: 10,858	Should be getting a cheque for £400 (or there abouts) for my damaged Nexus 6P so need to find a replacement. . . . . I imagine i'll just get another 6P. I noticed on TechRadar's website that they still consider the Galaxy S7 edge to be the best phone on the market (XL is at 8 and Pixel 6).

26-10-2016, 16:02	#521
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by blueisthecolour Should be getting a cheque for £400 (or there abouts) for my damaged Nexus 6P so need to find a replacement. . . . . I imagine i'll just get another 6P. I noticed on TechRadar's website that they still consider the Galaxy S7 edge to be the best phone on the market (XL is at 8 and Pixel 6). It's tough. The XL is better in many ways, but in this current grey, overcast, weather the photos I'm getting are far from wonderful and I can't really see much difference than the 6P. Yes, autofocus is quicker. Yes the stabilisation on the Pixel is far, far better on video.. but ultimately the image sensor itself is the same resolution and with the same sized pixels. I'm coping with the loss of the stereo speakers, but the faster 4G and VoLTE support on EE, plus the supposed ability to hand off from Wi-Fi calling at home to VoLTE when going out, are things that I do quite like. Benefits of getting a phone one year newer. But it's a lot of money to shell out for things like this, when for most of the time you won't be aware of any real difference. Google Assistant is pretty damn awful. Asking it really basic questions and it just coming back with what I could have done a Google search for. Frankly, it has a LONG LONG way to go and seems to be better set up for American users at the moment.

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Google Pixel (Nexus) phones unveiled on 4th October

26-10-2016, 22:36	#522
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	HTC continue to make massive losses HTC are continuing to make massive losses. In the last three months they lost $133 Million. They have been making large losses for a few years. So I wonder if they are betting the farm on the Pixel? Quote: HTC reports that it lost $133 million between July 1st and October 1st. This should cover the time when it started billing Google for Pixel manufacturing (we're speculating here as there were no big HTC releases in that quarter to explain the increased revenue). In the previous quarter, HTC lost $152 million, and Q3 2015 was only a bit worse than the new report with a $139 million loss. http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/10...-pixel-launch/

27-10-2016, 22:47	#523
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Has everyone noticed Google has released a press statement stating they are aware some users are having a problem with picture flare or an arc when taking pictures in certain conditions? They are trying to engineer a software update. However, a number of users are saying this isn't a satisfactory solution to a hardware issue.

27-10-2016, 23:05	#524
gomezz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Buckingham Posts: 28,590	Why not? It was good enough for Hubble!

28-10-2016, 10:00	#525
blueisthecolour Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Posts: 10,858	So, i got my money from the insurance (Amazon voucher rather than cheque). Can anyone make a case for me not just getting another Nexus 6P? It's £385 on Amazon a the moment. Just to say: I'm happy with the design and build of the 6P Happy with the camera Storage space if fine as I use the cloud Signal and phone calls are fine. Screen is good and the phone seems to work fast. Am I missing anything? Any new technology that likely to leave my phone obsolete in the next year - 18 months?