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claire2281
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“Pot. Kettle”

Saved me from saying it, thanks
smude
01-10-2016
Craig claims to mark on performance. Ed gave a great performance so I don't understand his mark. He always scored Lisa Riley on her performance not her ability.
Doghouse Riley
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by chiarabella:
“No you got criticised for the fact that you have made nasty remarks all over (according to the poster) exactly the same as you were accusing Craig of. Also they are as entitled to their opinion of what you put as you are to your opinion of Craig and whoever else, as this is an open forum, which is what i was pointing out. Do you need a hug?”

Quick! Get a rope we've enough evidence!

You seem to not appreciate, that anyone can make an observation about someone on TV, but it's a bit out of order to have a personal go at another poster for saying it, just because your opinion differs from theirs.
This show generates some polarised opinions, that some can't handle.
Ann_Dancer
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by davegold:
“I sometimes wonder if he's asked to be particularly mean to some celebs just to rile up the audience and get them sympathy votes.”

That's what I assume. I think Ed has dealt with more serious criticism in the past than someone berating him on his lack of swivel action and he looked not the least bit upset because.......he'd just had a standing ovation for heaven's sake! So all Craig is doing is helping stoke up that positive feeling for Ed.
chiarabella
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Quick! Get a rope we've enough evidence!

You seem to not appreciate, that anyone can make an observation about someone on TV, but it's a bit out of order to have a personal go at another poster for saying it, just because your opinion differs from theirs.
This show generates some polarised opinions, that some can't handle.”

You seem not to understand that when you post you put yourself and your comments out there to be judged by others and not everyone is going to agree with you.
kirstylouise666
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by reclinewithme:
“Last week people were complaining Craig was marking too high for week one. Perhaps he's just trying to tone it down a bit.”

I think that people just like complaining
Doghouse Riley
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by chiarabella:
“You seem not to understand that when you post you put yourself and your comments out there to be judged by others and not everyone is going to agree with you.”

"You seem not to understand" that I don't mind people having a different opinion from me, but to have a go at me for actually having one is out of order, but typical of many on DS.
Paace
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by tealover:
“Craig was downright rude about Ed on ITT basically called him a liar, which was a clear political link.

Tonight he was almost leering in his contempt of Ed, and whilst the other judges praised him on his progress and scored him appropriately, he scored 3!!! Wholly unacceptable and to be honest, ruins the evening watching his snide comments.”

I agree, there was no need to be so mean tonight and giving a 3 was insulting . The show needs people like Ed taking part and you should give some praise and hope to a complete novice .
chiarabella
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“"You seem not to understand" that I don't mind people having a different opinion from me, but to have a go at me for actually having one is out of order, but typical of many on DS.”

Lmao
ESPIONdansant
01-10-2016
If you actually want someone to learn something you find something good to say and then one (maximum two) things to improve.

You never produce a long list because it's human nature to be downhearted and not to listen. So you select the most crucial issue but you also have to encourage so you say two nice things.

I'm not even being judged but even I switch off once his head looks down to his notes and it's clear he's starting on his diatribe.

Pack it in, mate. It doesn't help the dancer and it makes you look foolish.
Doghouse Riley
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“If you actually want someone to learn something you find something good to say and then one (maximum two) things to improve.

You never produce a long list because it's human nature to be downhearted and not to listen. So you select the most crucial issue but you also have to encourage so you say two nice things.

I'm not even being judged but even I switch off once his head looks down to his notes and it's clear he's starting on his diatribe.

Pack it in, mate. It doesn't help the dancer and it makes you look foolish.”

Yes!

Craig often forgets "the first rule of management" when assessing someone's performance.

"Find some small merit in a job otherwise executed poorly."
Normandie
01-10-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“What is it with him, is he suffering from piles, judging by his miserable countenance, or is it he's just being his usual pain in the arse self?”

Craig's playing his usual, designated role as pantomine villain.
JohnStannard
02-10-2016
I like him, at least he looks at technique unlike the others and is the only one to score accurately, Ed was attrotious last night (not as bad as Lesley but still), I gave him 5 for effort haha
VintageWhine
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“"You seem not to understand" that I don't mind people having a different opinion from me, but to have a go at me for actually having one is out of order, but typical of many on DS.”

Too true.

As for Craig, I'm not so sure that he's just doing it for effect. It seems to me that he has his own agenda regarding certain of the contestants (whether pro or con). And not just this series.
VintageWhine
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by JohnStannard:
“I like him, at least he looks at technique unlike the others and is the only one to score accurately...”

I'm not so sure. He certainly makes full use of the paddles (and that's a good thing), but does he score accurately? I've looked at his marking over the years, and consistency seems to be lacking (especially more recently).

And as for technique, surely he's always touted as the one who judges on performance rather than technique? (Mind you, Darcey and Bruno fall into that category too, I suppose.)
choucroute
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Yes!

Craig often forgets "the first rule of management" when assessing someone's performance.

"Find some small merit in a job otherwise executed poorly."”

I hope Craig keeps that in mind the next time he's doing annual dialogues at the accounting firm he's a partner in.

For now he's on a Saturday evening entertainment show in which his role is "scary baddie who actually uses the 0-5 paddles, is strict about technique and sometimes wowed by show elements."
Kitty_Martinez
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“Pot. Kettle”

^This
Ann_Dancer
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by JohnStannard:
“I like him, at least he looks at technique unlike the others and is the only one to score accurately, Ed was attrotious last night (not as bad as Lesley but still), I gave him 5 for effort haha”

Seriously no he doesn't!

Len looks at technique in Ballroom and Latin (not in the other dances admittedly) but usually doesn't explain his score.
Bruno surprisingly cuts straight to the most important thing about the performance. E.g. He was absolutely right about Lesley needing to get her top half under control.
Darcey....well no idea what she is looking at!
And Craig is a bit obsessive about certain things that are within his sphere of knowledge and dismissive about others (exclusions are quite a lot of ballroom and latin technique)

But last night, I expected that reaction to Ed. It was pure comedy/play acting from Craig and quite entertaining and Katya and Ed seemed not too bothered having gone down a storm with the audience.
Doghouse Riley
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by choucroute:
“I hope Craig keeps that in mind the next time he's doing annual dialogues at the accounting firm he's a partner in.

For now he's on a Saturday evening entertainment show in which his role is "scary baddie who actually uses the 0-5 paddles, is strict about technique and sometimes wowed by show elements."”

This has obviously gone completely over your head, hasn't it?


The objective of criticism, anywhere, in any walk of life where "appraisals" in one form or another are conducted, isn't to reduce the subject to a wreck, but to encourage them to do better. Hence my mention of "some small merit."

That's what we want, the contestants to improve so that those of us who actually enjoy ballroom dancing get a better show.

As for "ballroom techniques" Craig has very little professional experience, though I do believe he is quite knowledgeable when it comes to "correct thumb positioning," mind you, we're all good at that to, aren't we?
holly berry
02-10-2016
Apart from about three occasions of unfair undermarking I thought his scoring made more sense than usual!

So many 8s!

Wonder if he's in love
Doghouse Riley
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Apart from about three occasions of unfair undermarking I thought his scoring made more sense than usual!

So many 8s!

Wonder if he's in love ”

Only with himself!
marieantoinette
02-10-2016
I can accept Craig's criticisms (although I do think he should temper them with a bit of praise too) but not when his marking is so biased. 3 for Ed, who was in time throughout, learned a difficult routine and didn't go wrong, yet last week 8 for Anastacia who nearly fell over and didn't have much content. Come on Craig - be fair. Someone could go home because of the way you affect the leaderboard.
Doghouse Riley
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by marieantoinette:
“I can accept Craig's criticisms (although I do think he should temper them with a bit of praise too) but not when his marking is so biased. 3 for Ed, who was in time throughout, learned a difficult routine and didn't go wrong, yet last week 8 for Anastacia who nearly fell over and didn't have much content. Come on Craig - be fair. Someone could go home because of the way you affect the leaderboard.”

That was exactly my point earlier.

Craig uses this programme more as a rather juvenile attempt at self-promotion.

Yes I know it's a bit of a pantomime, Len is Baron Hardup, Bruno is Buttons and Darcey Cinderella.

Craig's one of the Ugly Sisters, I couldn't suffer two of 'em!
digitalspyfan1
02-10-2016
Craig doesn't enjoy the show. Whenever the camera goes to wide shot of the judges - for example when Tess is about to introduce the next celeb to dance and the panel is behind - Craig looks so sour-faced. No warmth or enjoyment shown. I don't think that's an act, that's how he feels. He looks like he doesn't want to be there and just going through the motions. I think he does it just for the money not for any real enjoyment and personally I think when Len goes Craig should go too. Get two new judges for the 2017 series.

I think he fakes it a bit in It Takes Two when he smile a lot more. I get the impression he is a bit of a misery guts in real life but not that I've ever met him so who knows!
Doghouse Riley
02-10-2016
Originally Posted by digitalspyfan1:
“Craig doesn't enjoy the show. Whenever the camera goes to wide shot of the judges - for example when Tess is about to introduce the next celeb to dance and the panel is behind - Craig looks so sour-faced. No warmth or enjoyment shown. I don't think that's an act, that's how he feels. He looks like he doesn't want to be there and just going through the motions. I think he does it just for the money not for any real enjoyment and personally I think when Len goes Craig should go too. Get two new judges for the 2017 series.

I think he fakes it a bit in It Takes Two when he smile a lot more. I get the impression he is a bit of a misery guts in real life but not that I've ever met him so who knows!”

Craig knows that Strictly is a nice little cash cow for him. He's involved in other projects where there is a far greater financial risk. So he has to lump it, but he could try not to show that he doesn't want to be there.

The show survived and grew without the old codger. It could just as easily survive without him, we none of us mind a bit of pantomime, it adds to the entertainment, but he's become tiresome.
He needs to be told. I'd sack him.
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