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Hasn't RTE radio1 got good stable FM and DAB coverage in Dublin? So 252 is no longer needed except for some optout programmes now also on 1 extra digitally.
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Hasn't RTE radio1 got good stable FM and DAB coverage in Dublin? So 252 is no longer needed except for some optout programmes now also on 1 extra digitally.
DAB should complement the FM service but doesn't as, from what I could see while there, far fewer Irish market cars have DAB than British market ones. I'm not sure even that this is going to change with time, as the DAB experiment in Ireland seems to have been abandoned some time mid-2013, with no network expansion even planned after that and the disappearance of bespoke digital radio pages on RTÉ's website. Hence the ongoing need for the simulcast, particularly to get all the GAA goodness. Not really relevant to a discussion about R1 Extra on 252 but neither Wohnort nor RTÉ seem to mention the addition of Kippure DAB. The only place it gets a namecheck is on the World DAB Ireland page. |
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RUSSIA seems to have turned off all, or most, of its LF and MF stations. This is
despite the fact that many poor pensioners in that country might find new FM sets expensive! it seems amazing that the Irish Govt maintains its LF 252 service for the benefit of a few Irish expats in the northern part of the UK (it is impossible to listen to RTE on LF anywhere south of London! The Russian Government is very different from the Irish Government. It takes very little notice of its ordinary people (Rich oligarchs are not ordinary people, obviously), and especially poor pensioners, many who are forced to beg on streets in the capital. The Irish Government also ignores much of the ordinary Irish people, but not to the brutal extent that Russia does. """it seems amazing that the Irish Govt maintains its LF 252 service for the benefit of a few Irish expats in the northern part of the UK (it is impossible to listen to RTE on LF anywhere south of London!""" I live in Tonbridge, Country Kent, 35 KM south of London. I get Raidio Eireann at an acceptable level, during daylight, although external interference can be a little painful at times. I will agree with you, though, about nightime. Clarkestown is a tiny whisper compared to the great Algerian French Roar. I also noticed the article printed in the Irish Times from the Noreen lady. I did smile a little while reading this, as only in the past few weeks, the Irish Times have ditched printing their British edition in a print newspaper format, although the content is available if you sign up for their digital app, which is now available, and a little on the too expensive side for me. |
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[quote=stesul63;84127357] Quote:
Not entirely. It's certainly weak, but it can be received in Kent on a sensitive radio in a clean RF environment.
Not that there is a big Irish community in Kent. The main areas of Irish ex pats in the South is North London, reception from a non anorak perspective is pointless. The usefulness of the Long Wave to reach aged ex-pats would I say be in the North and Midlands. Having a Mother and Father-in-Law who are supposed to be in the demographic that they want to cover, I would say from a practical point of view they get carriage on some appropriate DAB muxes in the UK, possibly the most cost effective would be D2. It is a shame they didn't win the bid they were involved in. Other than that trying to get carriage on the small scale DAB's I disagree with you, a little, here. Certainly in County Kent there is not a bulk of Irish people in the same way as there is in the cities, but there are plenty of them, although they are more spread out, and isolated, than in the cities. This, however, proves the point that RTE should be available to these people in the way as in the cities, as these are the Irish who would need the station more, as they do not have the same social networks which would be available in the cities. |
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According to one of the Irish newspapers in my local Sainsbury s this is an indefinite reprevive. It was the front page story and I think the newspaper was something like Irish World or similar...
http://www.theirishworld.com/rte-stay-execution-lw/ |
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[quote=dermott100;84147330] Quote:
"""Not that there is a big Irish community in Kent""" I disagree with you, a little, here. Certainly in County Kent there is not a bulk of Irish people in the same way as there is in the cities, but there are plenty of them, although they are more spread out, and isolated, than in the cities. This, however, proves the point that RTE should be available to these people in the way as in the cities, as these are the Irish who would need the station more, as they do not have the same social networks which would be available in the cities. The survey had just over 3000 replies so.it is still not clear how many are affected. Looks like RTE with its current shortfall as well as closing 252 may not have any money for DAB, so unless extra money comes from the Irish Government (unlikely) it means moving the listeners to Sky satellite or internet (which many have already). The challenge is to help the inpoverished pensioners in UK still using 252, but seems it is still not clear how many and where they are?. |
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[quote=hanssolo;84151683] Quote:
Looks like someone in RTE said there was no date to shut 252, then RTE said it was still shutting in 2017 and UK listeners need to get other means of listening.
The survey had just over 3000 replies so.it is still not clear how many are affected. Looks like RTE with its current shortfall as well as closing 252 may not have any money for DAB, so unless extra money comes from the Irish Government (unlikely) it means moving the listeners to Sky satellite or internet (which many have already). The challenge is to help the inpoverished pensioners in UK still using 252, but seems it is still not clear how many and where they are?. Again, in my opinion, they should shut the LW down, (maybe not in 2017 as it looks like there are a few too many older people who need help to convert to satellite or wifi, or some DAB solution which could be achievable, but at some definite date in the future). Why, because it is obvious to me that there is no desire in RTE to keep it going, never mind develop or even properly maintain it. Also, AM, as a format, is going out of use in most of Europe. Also The signal is really not good, and is a struggle to hear sometimes, even during the day. Nightime, just forget it, (although they should be moving on to nighttime closedowns soon, anyway). Also, a lot of critics appear to believe that old, poor, Irish pensioners are incapable of finding their way round new technology, which is a little patronising - the main problem is the expence of fitting a satellite dish, or getting a wifi connection established in their homes. I agree that this is something which needs to be sorted out, hence a LW closedown when this side is sorted out. Finally, I am sure that a lot of Irish pensioners could be persuaded to go to the RTE Radio Player / Tunein app, if they are aware that they not only have RTE Radio 1 to listen to, but all the other stations in the RTE portfolio, as well as virtually all the local Irish stations too. If they are aware of this, which many may not be, they may be more inclined to change technology. I cannot be fully sure of this obviously, just a hunch |
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To be honest, my opinion is that if they have decided to shelve the shut down for the time being, it is a compromise, or more accurately, a fudge, and like most fudges, it is unsatisfactory. But as you say above, no one appears to know what is going on - is it shutting down in 2017, or not? Laft hand, right hand etc. Again, in my opinion, they should shut the LW down, (maybe not in 2017 as it looks like there are a few too many older people who need help to convert to satellite or wifi, or some DAB solution which could be achievable, but at some definite date in the future). Why, because it is obvious to me that there is no desire in RTE to keep it going, never mind develop or even properly maintain it. Also, AM, as a format, is going out of use in most of Europe. Also The signal is really not good, and is a struggle to hear sometimes, even during the day. Nightime, just forget it, (although they should be moving on to nighttime closedowns soon, anyway). Also, a lot of critics appear to believe that old, poor, Irish pensioners are incapable of finding their way round new technology, which is a little patronising - the main problem is the expence of fitting a satellite dish, or getting a wifi connection established in their homes. I agree that this is something which needs to be sorted out, hence a LW closedown when this side is sorted out. Finally, I am sure that a lot of Irish pensioners could be persuaded to go to the RTE Radio Player / Tunein app, if they are aware that they not only have RTE Radio 1 to listen to, but all the other stations in the RTE portfolio, as well as virtually all the local Irish stations too. If they are aware of this, which many may not be, they may be more inclined to change technology. I cannot be fully sure of this obviously, just a hunch https://radioplayer.ie But in the report respondents rejected computer based solutions - they just wanted a radio you could just turn on and off. Put another way, for at least some of the audience RTÉ are having to pay thousands just to give them a convenience. They have another means, but want a 'proper radio'. |
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Most pensioners would be fine with DAB, it's very simple to use. And obviously pretty much all pensioners are currently using Freeview.
Those two technologies are the way forward IMHO. Much better than endlessly spinning out 252's demise... |
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There is even an Irish Radioplayer app which has all Irish stations: https://radioplayer.ie But in the report respondents rejected computer based solutions - they just wanted a radio you could just turn on and off. Put another way, for at least some of the audience RTÉ are having to pay thousands just to give them a convenience. They have another means, but want a 'proper radio'. AM and LW will both be a thing of the past very soon indeed. |
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Is the GAA sports content licensed to RTÉ available on the Irish radioplayer abroad, or is it geoblocked? If RTÉ were to be granted a BA licence to go on a British multiplex, would it carry GAA or would that be restricted to Ireland only and opted-out with something else in Britain?
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Is the GAA sports content licensed to RTÉ available on the Irish radioplayer abroad, or is it geoblocked? If RTÉ were to be granted a BA licence to go on a British multiplex, would it carry GAA or would that be restricted to Ireland only and opted-out with something else in Britain?
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Is the GAA sports content licensed to RTÉ available on the Irish radioplayer abroad, or is it geoblocked? If RTÉ were to be granted a BA licence to go on a British multiplex, would it carry GAA or would that be restricted to Ireland only and opted-out with something else in Britain?
Maybe they haven't geoblocked it on Irish Radioplayer as Radioplayer content of each station is supposed to reflect the standard station content. As aired. |
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I used to be able to hear the GAA hurling and gaelic football commentary on Sunday Sport on Sunday afternoons when RTE Radio 1 was on AM @ 567 kHZ. Used to enjoy listening to it even if I knew nothing about the rules of either sport. 4 goals and 6 points vs 3 goals and 8 points. Who on earth is winning?
Maybe they haven't geoblocked it on Irish Radioplayer as Radioplayer content of each station is supposed to reflect the standard station content. As aired. |
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RTE on 252 LW is running at such low output power the coverage area in the UK is very limited. Estimates have it at 30-50 kW EMRP. The transmitter is probably on its lowest output power possible.
Nothing like the original Atlantic 252 on 400 kW. If RTE were doing that now, then that is an entirely different service into the UK. If correct the power is well down on the Atlantic 252 era (500kW) but not as low as thought. It's still clear in North West England, even at night. |
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If they are anything like other sports organisations, they would be sure to want more money if feeding a bigger potential audience.
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I used to be able to hear the GAA hurling and gaelic football commentary on Sunday Sport on Sunday afternoons when RTE Radio 1 was on AM @ 567 kHZ. Used to enjoy listening to it even if I knew nothing about the rules of either sport. 4 goals and 6 points vs 3 goals and 8 points. Who on earth is winning?...
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According to a post on boards.ie it's 120kW from 7am-6pm and 60kW at other times. If correct the power is well down on the Atlantic 252 era (500kW) but not as low as thought....
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To be honest, my opinion is that if they have decided to shelve the shut down for the time being, it is a compromise, or more accurately, a fudge, and like most fudges, it is unsatisfactory. But as you say above, no one appears to know what is going on - is it shutting down in 2017, or not? Laft hand, right hand etc. Quote:
Again, in my opinion, they should shut the LW down, (maybe not in 2017 as it looks like there are a few too many older people who need help to convert to satellite or wifi, or some DAB solution which could be achievable, but at some definite date in the future). Why, because it is obvious to me that there is no desire in RTE to keep it going, never mind develop or even properly maintain it. Also, AM, as a format, is going out of use in most of Europe. Also The signal is really not good, and is a struggle to hear sometimes, even during the day. Nightime, just forget it, (although they should be moving on to nighttime closedowns soon, anyway).
It was proposed as a way of reducing costs, RTE have invested a lot of money in the Long Wave service over the years and it's existence was propositioned (particularly in Northern Ireland) as a viable option for listeners to switch to when they proposed the closing of the 657 kHz service some years ago which provoked widespread opposition. They said the signal was clearer and more stable which it was in the north. Remember this is an overspill signal that is being received not a broadcast to GB. RTE are bound by international agreements which state ‘in principle ... broadcasting stations ... shall not employ power exceeding that necessary to maintain economically an effective service of good quality within the frontiers of the concerned’. They are not on Freeview in the North of Ireland so GB can forget that option for some time to come and nationwide DAB is hardly a cost effective measure for a cash strapped broadcaster who is currently struggling with a LW service. Quote:
Also, a lot of critics appear to believe that old, poor, Irish pensioners are incapable of finding their way round new technology, which is a little patronising - the main problem is the expence of fitting a satellite dish, or getting a wifi connection established in their homes. I agree that this is something which needs to be sorted out, hence a LW closedown when this side is sorted out.
The survey carried out by the "Irish in Britain" group was as serious attempt to clarify the exact situation as it exists. A lot of the respondents are members of expatriate clubs and societies whom I suggest to you accurately understand their members needs and worries. Quote:
Finally, I am sure that a lot of Irish pensioners could be persuaded to go to the RTE Radio Player / Tunein app, if they are aware that they not only have RTE Radio 1 to listen to, but all the other stations in the RTE portfolio, as well as virtually all the local Irish stations too. If they are aware of this, which many may not be, they may be more inclined to change technology. That is very patronising.
I cannot be fully sure of this obviously, just a hunch |
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T1he quotes are from dermott100 not me [quote=spanners;84167466] Quote:
They've shelved it because at the moment there is no serious alternative for an awful lot of the LW252 existing listeners. The alternatives break down to two options satellite or internet - neither of which many of the listeners want or need or can afford. Unless someone else pays for 252 to continue, the current users will have to take up one of the 2 options. |
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The survey carried out by the "Irish in Britain" group was as serious attempt to clarify the exact situation as it exists. A lot of the respondents are members of expatriate clubs and societies whom I suggest to you accurately understand their members needs and worries.
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Finally, I am sure that a lot of Irish pensioners could be persuaded to go to the RTE Radio Player / Tunein app, if they are aware that they not only have RTE Radio 1 to listen to, but all the other stations in the RTE portfolio, as well as virtually all the local Irish stations too. If they are aware of this, which many may not be, they may be more inclined to change technology. I cannot be fully sure of this obviously, just a hunch Quote Spanners """That is very patronising""" No it is not. What is patronising is claiming that old poverty stricken Irish pensioners are incapable of embracing new technology no matter what. What I am saying is that when the pensioners see what is available online, then they can, and will be able to, use new technology, their personal finances permitting. Did you read all of my postings, properly? . |
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That reads like a diplomatic way of saying that the survey was organised by a pressure group who organised most of the replies. Bit like surveys in the UK that feature mostly replies stirred up by Mumsnet.
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This week the irish post has a different tune http://irishpost.co.uk/rte-radios-lo...-britain-save/
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This week the irish post has a different tune http://irishpost.co.uk/rte-radios-lo...-britain-save/
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