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I would not have it would be impossible to put the noon shipping forecast on DAB as a secondary service. But why is the shipping forecast necessary, hardly anyone uses it. The MCA put out forecasts on VHF all day, most vessels have electronic systems to get the forecasts and gale warnings.
They use the forecast to plan ahead ... Regards |
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The shipping forecast isn't just for large boats ---- it's also for dinghy sailors,pleasure craft ,inshore fishermen and anyone who lives on the coast (and inland) --- in other words anyone who needs an up to date forecast and isn't near the internet,mobile phone coverage or in range of a Coastguard station to get the every 3 hours forecast.
I'm lucky --- I have a hand held VHF radio and a local Coastguard mast .. Regards You don't see many fishing boats without at least one satellite antenna, I think they have one for their man overboard system. The smaller boats will not be venturing far and should have VHF for local warnings which they will not heard on the shipping forecasts. |
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MCA VHF coverage around the coast is pretty good, I doubt whether many small boats around out of range of it for long.
You don't see many fishing boats without at least one satellite antenna, I think they have one for their man overboard system. The smaller boats will not be venturing far and should have VHF for local warnings which they will not heard on the shipping forecasts. Do you live near the coast ? If you own a boat, be it big or small, how do you get your weather forecast to plan your boating activity apart from the TV weather? Regards |
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You didn't get my point that a lot of boat owners ,dinghy sailors , kayakers,commercial fishermen --- anyone who uses the coast of the UK do not carry VHF Marine radios around with them but they do have access to LW be it at home or in the car.
Do you live near the coast ? If you own a boat, be it big or small, how do you get your weather forecast to plan your boating activity apart from the TV weather? Regards More people have a Mobile phone than a long wave Radio I would wager. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/mobile/m...pping-forecast And how much more convenient it is having it to hand immediately rather than waiting for a broadcast. |
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You didn't get my point that a lot of boat owners ,dinghy sailors , kayakers,commercial fishermen --- anyone who uses the coast of the UK do not carry VHF Marine radios around with them but they do have access to LW be it at home or in the car.
Do you live near the coast ? If you own a boat, be it big or small, how do you get your weather forecast to plan your boating activity apart from the TV weather? Regards If Droitwich has a major failure before then 5 live AM could take it? 252 however might have less than a year for existing listeners to move to internet or satellite. |
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On the Met Office website on your mobile phone or home PC is the obvious answer for the masses.
More people have a Mobile phone than a long wave Radio I would wager. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/mobile/m...pping-forecast And how much more convenient it is having it to hand immediately rather than waiting for a broadcast. Caution: The internet is not part of the Maritime Safety Information system and should never be relied upon as the only means to obtain the latest forecast and warning information. Access to the service may be interrupted or delayed from time to time, updates may also be delayed. Please refer to GMDSS services, INMARSAT SafetyNET or international NAVTEX for the latest information. When using these web pages, always check that the page on your screen is not from your cache. Use the Refresh or Reload button if in any doubt. Regards |
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You missed this bit from that site ----
Caution: The internet is not part of the Maritime Safety Information system and should never be relied upon as the only means to obtain the latest forecast and warning information. Access to the service may be interrupted or delayed from time to time, updates may also be delayed. Please refer to GMDSS services, INMARSAT SafetyNET or international NAVTEX for the latest information. When using these web pages, always check that the page on your screen is not from your cache. Use the Refresh or Reload button if in any doubt. Regards But you will notice that Radio 4 LW isn't on that list either, and if you are one of the more 'leisure' users you listed the met office service should suffice. It's still updated as regularly as the forecast is broadcast. Basically the disclaimer is to prevent commercial users relying on the free service and then blaming the met office for inaccuracies. The met office can't be seen to be undercutting commercial services. |
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On the Met Office website on your mobile phone or home PC is the obvious answer for the masses.
More people have a Mobile phone than a long wave Radio I would wager. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/mobile/m...pping-forecast And how much more convenient it is having it to hand immediately rather than waiting for a broadcast. |
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But you will notice that Radio 4 LW isn't on that list either, and if you are one of the more 'leisure' users you listed the met office service should suffice.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/guide/weather/marine/radio |
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And how many miles out exactly do you think that a mobile phone signal will be receivable? Just asking.
Leisure users plan for short trips before they leave home and are out for a couple of hours. If you need updates whilst far out at sea then you are either on a high seas voyage or a commercial user, and in both those cases you'll have one of the commercial services listed because you legally have to have those safety systems. We have had this argument so many times on these boards - there are many and varied better systems for getting the information required to maritime users than long wave broadcasts a couple of times per day. |
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That's because it's mentioned on a different page:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/guide/weather/marine/radio |
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The LW shipping forecast remains a huge source of weather information for UK waters --- it is quick and easy to access through out the UK when it is transmitted as it has been for years.
Regards |
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The LW shipping forecast remains a huge source of weather information for UK waters --- it is quick and easy to access through out the UK when it is transmitted as it has been for years.
Regards |
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You didn't get my point that a lot of boat owners ,dinghy sailors , kayakers,commercial fishermen --- anyone who uses the coast of the UK do not carry VHF Marine radios around with them but they do have access to LW be it at home or in the car.
Do you live near the coast ? If you own a boat, be it big or small, how do you get your weather forecast to plan your boating activity apart from the TV weather? Regards I do live right on the coast and even though not have a boat I do spend a lot of time around boats shoreside - I have never once heard the strains of the Long Wave forecast coming from a boat (usually when they leave their microphone jammed on, it is Radio 2 they retransmit on Channel 16). I would expect someone checking the forecast at home (many don't seem to bother from what the coastguard say!) will look online and print it out. |
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You missed this bit from that site ----
Caution: The internet is not part of the Maritime Safety Information system and should never be relied upon as the only means to obtain the latest forecast and warning information. Access to the service may be interrupted or delayed from time to time, updates may also be delayed. Please refer to GMDSS services, INMARSAT SafetyNET or international NAVTEX for the latest information. When using these web pages, always check that the page on your screen is not from your cache. Use the Refresh or Reload button if in any doubt. Regards You often hear yachties asking the coastguard to repeat the local forecast because they missed it. |
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Hang on, we were talking about leisure users.
Leisure users plan for short trips before they leave home and are out for a couple of hours. If you need updates whilst far out at sea then you are either on a high seas voyage or a commercial user, and in both those cases you'll have one of the commercial services listed because you legally have to have those safety systems. We have had this argument so many times on these boards - there are many and varied better systems for getting the information required to maritime users than long wave broadcasts a couple of times per day. |
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I do it differently ---- I listen to the shipping forecast BEFORE going out ---- I plan my boating activities around what they say.
Of course I also carry a VHF radio and mobile phone + spare engine ,flares,sails, whistle and oars. Mobile phone is useless when close in under cliffs but VHF works fine due to the position of the local mast. But if the weather is forecast to be iffy then stay ashore ---- unlike some of the clowns we get visiting here who have towed their boats for miles on holiday and will use them come hell or high water ---- but that is another topic . Regards |
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Getting back to RTE LW - I wonder what work exactly is going to be done at clarkstown tomorrow ?
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it's hard to believe that it's fifteen years this month since Atlantic 252 closed down. http://www.mixcloud.com/Energy80s/at...-tribute-show/
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The LW shipping forecast remains a huge source of weather information for UK waters --- it is quick and easy to access through out the UK when it is transmitted as it has been for years.
Regards http://www.radioworld.com/article/no...e-water/280096 Conclusion of the piece: Quote:
“The reception was even better than our calculations predicted,” said Vasaasen. “Our aim is to offer DAB reception 50 kilometers (30 miles) from the shore, and with the external, marine antenna this was always possible within this range corresponding to the coverage map and even much further.”
In fact reception was still possible 82 miles from land on a portable Sony DAB+ radio.
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Its possible in 5 years time when 198 LW closes a daily shipping forecast could remain on FM, DAB, internet and satellite? But by then 24 hour low cost Navext sets based on tablets will be more common.
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it's hard to believe that it's fifteen years this month since Atlantic 252 closed down. http://www.mixcloud.com/Energy80s/at...-tribute-show/
Personally, I think RTE would have been better staying on 567 kHz rather than 252 long wave. Are the masts at Tullamore and Athlone still in place or have they been dismantled ? It's a shame there's nothing on MW from the ROI apart from Spirit Radio on 549khz. DAB in the ROI also sucks. FM is still very much the norm in the country. |
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When did Atlantic 252 have a classic rock format?
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Listening of Atlantic 252 had already declined die to new UK commercial FM stations before RTL tried new formats and then giving up LW. RTE in Ireland are saying Radio 1 extra on digital platforms have the LW optouts so LW is no longer needed in Ireland. RTE have funding problems so is also why DAB has not been fully rolled out. They and the commercial operators. The UK FM and AM transmitters are nearly all near 30 years old so there is a good case for a DSO but Ireland does not have this problem so RTE, TWG(News Corp) and Communicorp do not have the need to move to move to DAB+. But might be News corp could at sometime get the Irish Government approval to roll out a Irish Talksport amd maybe Virgin on DAB+. Presumably News Corp are not interested on an Irish Talksport taking over 252? Quote:
I thought there are regularly shipping weather forecasts on "FM", from the MCA? OK, it is NBFM but still FM. I don't see the need for duplication.
In Iceland they are also testing MW to replace LW. But wonder if it is now more cost effective to get boat owners to get proper Navtext sets using MW rather than pay for expensive broadcast masts to cover a small number of users at sea. |
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These must be on the Marine radio at 150-160Mhz but the sets are not as cheap as regular radio sets which is why the Norwegians are testing DAB+ Sony set at 82 km at sea, but does need high DAB+ broadcast masts near the coast to get the signals over the horizon and many existing masts are more inland which if the UK does have a DSO means new DAB masts along coasts to ensure the shipping forecast, if it carries on R4, can be used at sea.
I can't see the MCA paying for DAB+ sites around the coast when they already have their Marine Band sites and NAVTEX of course. |
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