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Old 04-11-2016, 09:36
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Apparently the phone signals went from Bury to Barton Mills, which is a well-known area for gay cruising. I hope this ISN'T relevant!
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Old 04-11-2016, 11:31
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I think the 'never seen again' figure is more like 3000. Maybe that's where he got confused.

Globally, the stats are far more scary.

Of course, they haven't all necessarily met some grisly fate. Most I would guess have just disappeared abroad, or gone into hiding for some reason.
I’ve probably mentioned this before but a long time ago a friend of mine went missing. He’d been in the local pub for a pint before catching a bus to go on holiday. He was as far as we knew someone who seemed really contented with a very simple way of life. Don’t think he even had a bank account.

He never caught the bus and never arrived at his holiday destination and wasn’t seen again. It got a lot of local publicity at the time. There was no internet or social media or CCTV or many mobile phones at the time. There wasn’t a single solitary sighting at all. Absolutely no leads at all.

And that’s where it stayed for years and years. Then many years later his mother was informed there was a letter waiting at the local post office for her. It was from him detailing how he had gone to London, met someone had had started a new life and so on.

He must have hitched and got lifts etc. and here was never a single potential sighting reported. He seems to have disappeared on the spur of the moment without anyone noticing until he chose t make contact again a long time afterwards.
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Old 04-11-2016, 13:25
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I’ve probably mentioned this before but a long time ago a friend of mine went missing. He’d been in the local pub for a pint before catching a bus to go on holiday. He was as far as we knew someone who seemed really contented with a very simple way of life. Don’t think he even had a bank account.

He never caught the bus and never arrived at his holiday destination and wasn’t seen again. It got a lot of local publicity at the time. There was no internet or social media or CCTV or many mobile phones at the time. There wasn’t a single solitary sighting at all. Absolutely no leads at all.

And that’s where it stayed for years and years. Then many years later his mother was informed there was a letter waiting at the local post office for her. It was from him detailing how he had gone to London, met someone had had started a new life and so on.

He must have hitched and got lifts etc. and here was never a single potential sighting reported. He seems to have disappeared on the spur of the moment without anyone noticing until he chose t make contact again a long time afterwards.
I almost wish this could be the case here, however I have read that he had been happy making plans to visit his family in Scotland, and had a new puppy waiting for him, in his room at the base. Seemingly no desire or plans to disappear.
I have read that the phone has not been found neither has a search of the landfill site at Barton mills been carried out. Acres of CCTV footage apparently but they have released only a couple of snippets.
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Old 04-11-2016, 16:36
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I’ve probably mentioned this before but a long time ago a friend of mine went missing. He’d been in the local pub for a pint before catching a bus to go on holiday. He was as far as we knew someone who seemed really contented with a very simple way of life. Don’t think he even had a bank account.

He never caught the bus and never arrived at his holiday destination and wasn’t seen again. It got a lot of local publicity at the time. There was no internet or social media or CCTV or many mobile phones at the time. There wasn’t a single solitary sighting at all. Absolutely no leads at all.

And that’s where it stayed for years and years. Then many years later his mother was informed there was a letter waiting at the local post office for her. It was from him detailing how he had gone to London, met someone had had started a new life and so on.

He must have hitched and got lifts etc. and here was never a single potential sighting reported. He seems to have disappeared on the spur of the moment without anyone noticing until he chose t make contact again a long time afterwards.
There was a family that lived near us when we were kids, and the mother kept disappearing. She must have had depression or something. They'd wake up in the morning, and she'd be gone. Packed a bag and gone. She'd show up again about six months later, and stay six months or a year, then off she'd go again. It went on for years.

Must have been terrible for them. She committed suicide in the end, while she was in a bedsit somewhere.
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Old 04-11-2016, 17:48
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It really is very shocking how many people there are missing in the UK. My local paper did a report recently on people who have disappeared in the area, and there were several cases I'd never heard of before. One such case was that of a young woman who rang her parents one evening telling them she would be home soon; she never turned up and that was twelve years ago. Another was of a teenager who had a row with his girlfriend, and went to a bus stop to catch the next bus home; again he never turned up, and this was almost 30 years ago. I can't imagine what it must be like for their family and friends.

Really hope Corrie is found alive, such a sad case.
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Old 04-11-2016, 18:04
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It must be horrendous for the families of relatives who go missing. I can't even begin to imagine what it must feel like.
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Old 04-11-2016, 21:39
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Well that's a load of rubbish.
He went missing weeks ago. Keeping hostages doesn't happen in this country for long periods of time.

If he's being held, why aren't we being taunted by it? If he's been killed, they'd have flooded the news with it.
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Old 04-11-2016, 23:06
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He went missing weeks ago. Keeping hostages doesn't happen in this country for long periods of time.

If he's being held, why aren't we being taunted by it? If he's been killed, they'd have flooded the news with it.
James Foley was kidnapped and missing fortwo years before he was beheaded. His beheading was released a while after he was actually dead. It's not beyond the possibilities that Corrie has been kidnapped and on a boat out the country before anyone even started looking for him. Or murdered with here with the video to be released at a time that will shock...say Rememberance Sunday.

I dont think that's the case though and like Adrian Lynch who went missing and turned up in a reservoir 100 yards from where he was last seen a year later, his body will be found eventually.

There's a couple of things that dont sit right with me though. The armed services are supposed to be on high alertand yet none of his colleagues think it odd he cant be contacted and report him missing or raise concerns despite his dog being in his room. So much for being on their guard. I can see why there's a D notice now in place.

Im also puzzled by the dog and what state it was in when found. Puppies dont stay quiet for 2 days. They get lonely and hungry/thirsty. Doing the toilet in their living area stresses them. Yet no one heard a thing. I wonder if someone has been popping in to feed it etc thinking Corrie had pulled and now scared to say or someoen even knew he wasnt coming back.
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Old 05-11-2016, 00:30
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Apparently the phone signals went from Bury to Barton Mills, which is a well-known area for gay cruising. I hope this ISN'T relevant!
What do you mean? hook up gone wrong or left his old life behind because he's gay?

I know the military isn't exactly welcoming with open arms to gay people but to do that to your family is pretty selfish.
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Old 05-11-2016, 00:55
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I have been keeping an eye on this thread.

My concern for this airman is he doesn't turn up dead and worse he has been kidnaped and ends up being decapitated and his murder released on social media.

I so hope he is safe and just wanted to disappear.
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Old 05-11-2016, 04:59
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I have been keeping an eye on this thread.

My concern for this airman is he doesn't turn up dead and worse he has been kidnaped and ends up being decapitated and his murder released on social media.

I so hope he is safe and just wanted to disappear.
If he had been kidnapped by a terrorist organisation all that would have happened already.
If he wanted to disappear I don't think he'd have done it while drunk as a skunk with only a shirt, trousers and the shoes he was wearing.
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Old 08-11-2016, 12:45
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I hope Corrie's alive but I'm feeling pessimistic about him.
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Old 08-11-2016, 23:09
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I hope Corrie's alive but I'm feeling pessimistic about him.
Yes it is difficult to be optimistic after 6 weeks when somebody goes missing in 'suspicious circumstances'.
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Old 09-11-2016, 07:29
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Apparently the phone signals went from Bury to Barton Mills, which is a well-known area for gay cruising. I hope this ISN'T relevant!
I fear it is too late now, it won't be kidnapping otherwise the people holding him would have said so how or shown horrible videos. He probably hasn't just disappeared of his own decision as there would be a trace of some kind, I fear the above if you say that's where the mobile signals were tracked to.

He could quite easily have been gay / bisexual and went to a place like that, and what we've seen before is going somewhere with somebody and doing things which result in accidental death (drugs, tied up, sex games, asphyxiation), then the person they are with panics and hides or destroys the body.

Looking as you say at Barton Mills the gay / bi sites say it is visited by guys from the army camps sometimes in uniform. I think it's surely looking like a stranger from that location may have been involved, whether accident or not.
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Old 16-11-2016, 23:41
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Searches have been taking place in specific places along the A!4 suggesting they may have some new leads.
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Old 17-11-2016, 01:38
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Old 28-12-2016, 20:59
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BBC article summarising the case so far:

http://http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-...ffolk-38267086

Didn't realise it was impossible for him to have left the area on foot without being caught on CCTV, which makes foul play much more likely.
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Old 28-12-2016, 21:10
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Didn't realise it was impossible for him to have left the area on foot without being caught on CCTV, which makes foul play much more likely.
I disagree as they'd have any suspect(s) on CCTV as they also wouldn't be able to leave the scene without being caught on camera. The article makes no mention of any cars coming or leaving the location.

The theory he climbed into a bin and that's been taken away was interesting. I think that's one possible scenario. The other is he's somehow managed to slip past the CCTV cameras and he's fallen into the local river.

I hope whatever has happened he's found so the family have that closure.
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Old 28-12-2016, 21:52
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I disagree as they'd have any suspect(s) on CCTV as they also wouldn't be able to leave the scene without being caught on camera. The article makes no mention of any cars coming or leaving the location.

The theory he climbed into a bin and that's been taken away was interesting. I think that's one possible scenario. The other is he's somehow managed to slip past the CCTV cameras and he's fallen into the local river.

I hope whatever has happened he's found so the family have that closure.
I wondered about that too as his family have said that it's not unknown for him to sleep a few drinks off in a doorway, but thought that he doesn't give the impression of being a bin-sleeper. Then I remembered reading that the bin lorry was weighed at the depot and found to be too light to have contained him. So that pretty much knocks that theory on the head.

I think there might be something in the idea that he ditched his phone after cracking the screen, or that someone picked it up and kept it, maybe without being aware of it's significance. Being separated from his phone would explain why he didn't contact a mate to help get him home and decided instead to take a chance that he wouldn't normally.

It all falls apart though once you discover that it's not possible (on foot) to leave the location where he was last seen without being caught on CCTV. Wherever he is now, someone else must have some idea how he got there.
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Old 28-12-2016, 22:06
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I'm always a bit wary when its stated it's impossible etc. etc. I presume they really do know it's not possible to leave the area on foot without CCTV catching you? Even if for example he left via the back of a building or something.

Sounds like he was heavily drunk which raises the chances of an accident of some sort. Tracking his phone somewhere else is one thing but knowing if he was with it is quite another.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:01
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Another theory is that he was in one of the bins at the "Horseshoe" area, which was then taken to a landfill site.
Signals showed his Microsoft Lumia 435 mobile phone had moved to nearby Barton Mills, where there is a landfill site, and police searched a bin lorry after finding its route matched the movements of the device.

However, it was found that the weight of the bin lorry's load was 15kg (33lb)
- too light to have contained Mr Mckeague.

As a result, the lorry was released and the landfill site was not searched.
The phone, however, has still not been found.
A bin wagon with only 15kg of waste going to a landfill, seems to be a very small payload, just the weight of 6 or 7 bags of potatoes. So because of this small weight, the landfill was never searched.

I just hope the weighing system was accurate.
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Old 29-12-2016, 10:35
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A bin wagon with only 15kg of waste going to a landfill, seems to be a very small payload, just the weight of 6 or 7 bags of potatoes. So because of this small weight, the landfill was never searched.

I just hope the weighing system was accurate.
I really don't understand the thing about the weight of the lorry. Why would it go to the landfill with an empty load? Doesn't make sense.
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:06
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I really don't understand the thing about the weight of the lorry. Why would it go to the landfill with an empty load? Doesn't make sense.
Maybe it was end of shift and its procedure to empty. Given that a household wheelybin can easily be 30 or 40kg, it seems that this one didn't do much work that night.
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:30
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A bin wagon with only 15kg of waste going to a landfill, seems to be a very small payload, just the weight of 6 or 7 bags of potatoes. So because of this small weight, the landfill was never searched.

I just hope the weighing system was accurate.
The Landfill should have been searched shouldn't it? It seems the Corrie's mum was right to have concerns about the police investigation.
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Old 29-12-2016, 11:32
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I disagree as they'd have any suspect(s) on CCTV as they also wouldn't be able to leave the scene without being caught on camera. The article makes no mention of any cars coming or leaving the location.

The theory he climbed into a bin and that's been taken away was interesting. I think that's one possible scenario. The other is he's somehow managed to slip past the CCTV cameras and he's fallen into the local river.

I hope whatever has happened he's found so the family have that closure.
In today's report his mother said four other vehicles were seen

Corrie Mckeague: Missing airman a 'social hand grenade'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38457221
During the 90-minute live video call, Mrs Urquhart answered questions about her 23-year-old son and the police investigation.
She explained how four vehicles had entered the "horseshoe" area where Mr Mckeague was last seen and that she believes one of them did not have a legitimate reason for being there.
Mrs Urquhart, who was speaking from her home in Dunfermline, Scotland, also said three men had set fire to a vehicle not far from the site the next day, which she thought was "highly suspicious".
She said it was "imperative" for six more people who have been spotted on CCTV to be identified.

Describing her son, who is one of three brothers, Mrs Urquhart said: "He's not so much a social butterfly, more a social hand grenade who absolutely lives for the moment.
"He will make choices and decisions that are sometimes reckless that other people might not.
"Would he get into a stranger's car? Yes. Would he go to a stranger's house that he's never met before that he's met on a social dating site? Yes.
"He would put himself at risk because Corrie believed he could handle himself."
If what she says is true it's not surprising she's not satisfied with the police investigation
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