Anyone else going to buy a Delores bot when they eventually go on sale?

Furturama got that one right.

Yeah I was very sceptical about William being MiB at first but it's all but confirmed now I think.

What I'm wondering is, is Bernard a copy of Arnold, or has Arnold uploaded his consciousness into Bernard's body?

I'm still not convinced Elsie is dead. We've now seen a clear shot of Barnard strangling her, but we didn't see a conclusion. It was made clear in earlier episodes that Elsie is a top-notch programmer. Perhaps she knew of another way to freeze hosts or discovered something in the information she was looking at that allowed her to do it.

Are the 'American Indian's' hosts?

I read a theory elsewhere that everyone is a host except Ford. Ford loves telling stories. Perhaps the whole of Westworld is an on-going story to keep him amused.

OTOH there is a theory that Ford is a host. The only host who made it in to the real world.

Perhaps.

It puzzles me why she wasn't put in to cold storage like other hosts who became self-aware, especially as she demonstrated it in front of Ford.

After a dull 45 minutes of the Walking Dead, Westworld certainly made up for that - and in the first five minutes. When we witnessed Maeve control Bernard, that was brilliant. Westworld jumped in with a high, and damn straight ended on one too. I assume Bernard will be repaired (by Ford?) and will be none the wiser for a while now?

I wasn't aware that the current hosts were actual robotic either, as we've seen with William and Logan. I thought they are/were more flesh, organs and blood? I know there were earlier hosts (those in Ford's cabin) but not up to date ones?


I think a copy. Presumably, if Arnold uploaded his consciousness, he wouldn't have allowed Ford to control him!? I can only theorize that Ford enabled (whether accidental or otherwise) Dolores to kill Arnold, and he made Bernard as a coping mechanism (of sorts)?

I do wonder what motivation Dolores had for killing Arnold though, and whether it was an AI uprising, or whether she was following orders (like Bernard did when he killed Teresa).

maybe it was dring some sordidly kinky act of nookie.

In her flashbacks we saw one scene where she walked past a load of dead bodies in the underground base's corridors - I think that was the uprising from the original film (afterall, we know the Gunslinger exists!). Dolores probably killed Arnold as part of that uprising.

By understanding is that the current hosts are perfect recreations of humans. So that strongly suggests that the scene with William and Logan is set in the past . . . . ..

Dolores is one of the oldest hosts in the park, she's first generation. There are still about fifty of them in operation currently according to Ford, the others being the 3D printed versions.

So William was rubbing up against metal?


Presumably the host consciousness can be uploaded into a newer body? That being the case, it's the characters/appearance that are old, and not the actual bodies. If a host is blown apart or shot in the head, are they repaired or replaced?

Well, it hasn't been mentioned far as I know (the mind transfer thing). Plus, Maeve had her scar from being stabbed previously so I'm assuming hosts are repaired where possible.

It could work, in a strict self-preservation sense that a 'prime' sentient one would try and
maintain control and the illusion of subservience in hosts. It could reason (as Ford elaborated to Bernard) that to proclaim sentience or seek freedom would not end well. Survival might best be achieved (for the time being) by maintaining the status quo.


This is one of the things we've yet to get any insight into - the nature of their 'brains' and whether they are in any way a direct (albeit superior) emulation of our own. The idea that an actual consciousness could be uploaded would be a tempting prospect - endless never-ageing host bodies (which are now virtual replicas, inside and out).
Is 'Arnold' or just his 'personality profile' in there? In varying degrees? Captured as code, selected elements could be preserved and others 'hobbled'? Tuned to give only the degree of similarity needed. Shattered among multiple hosts?
Several references have been made to an ulteror motive for the park and host research - this is where I place my bet! Maybeolder William would like to be a host himself...!

Thinking back to when Ford and his (Arnold-made) young self were looking out over the buried church, it makes sense that Ford's comment would trigger a 'memory' of the bells in him, as it was Arnold's base of operations..


I think it was said that Dolores is a 'first generation' one, the oldest still in service IIRC.
(EDIT: As per Eve Elle's reply above!)

Remember Ford had to teach Bernard how to clean his glasses to act like Arnold, he didn't just know how to do it.

I want to know this to, and why they and the hosts at the outpost can hurt the humans? Are they 1st generation hosts without the required safeguards?

I am not sure that we will see Arnold again - when he seemingly blew his "robot" brains out I actually thought that Ford almost had a tear in his eye, one of the few times he has shown any sort of emotion on the show.

Come to think of it, maybe all the hosts are (at base) 'Arnold'.
I forget when the exact conversation was, I think it was during the examination of one of the hosts, probably Maeve, they were discussing why a host would have memories of a previous 'life'. As I recall it, it was said that it was easier to simply rework and re-cast an existing identity than to attempt a ground-up coding of an entire personality.
So what if the core basis for all the sentient hosts personalities has always been Arnold....!
An original upload solves the AI coding 'hard' problem, then the personality elements are rendered inactive and overlaid with park roles instead.

I previously jested -
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=414


True. Maybe Ford lacked Arnold's particular expertise in recreating him. Maybe Arnold didn't leave a complete or unencrypted backup deliberately...!
He'd probably have had to mask, limit or overwrite some aspects of his recall to some extent, depending on when any 'mirror' ('build'!) of Arnold's mind was made, assuming there was a big 'issue' between them!

I am hopeful this isn't the case. I'm more hoping that Ford's tear was due to him truly wanting a partner in Bernard, and that their little chat didn't quite go as planned. The character of Bernard being lost would be a shame, cause between him and Maeve, they're the reason I'm watching. Not overly fond of whatever is going on with Dolores, seems more ... bland, at the moment anyway.

I believe the bodies in the corridor/operating table was the Present rather than a flashback.

We only see Delores twice in the underground lab once in the present and once before the park actually opened. She never makes it there while with William as

1. The Church is buried so the Lab can't be accessed.
2. She dies and her body is left in the river.

So unless we are seeing Delores in more than 3 time periods, the scene with the bodies must be present day.

The question is though if Ford has had the Church rebuilt why leave/recreate the secret entrance to the Lab (but still leave all the bodies lying around) unless it's all part of his plan?


There's 50 odd older (mechanical) models still in use, these are the ones hearing "Arnold's voice" as only they have the receiver to pick up the signal (as discovered by Elsie).


They obviously get some repairs/replacement parts over the years as Maeve comments about how some of her is older than other parts of her (though she may have been talking coding rather than body parts).

Whichever the fact that they can all pick up the signal means that at least some part of them is original and they haven't been totally replaced.

Yes I should have said I don't think we will see Bernard again - although things will look increasingly suspicious if that is the case as we appear to have lost 3 or 4 of the tech staff in the last couple of episodes ... unless of course Ford can replace some of them with hosts in double quick time.

I have to admit I find the whole Maeve storyline stretching my belief a lot whereas Dolores has me intrigued ... so it's horses for courses I guess.

Yet to catch up with today's posts but I've had a thought. Someone posted yesterday that Charlotte could be the MiB daughter.

He said he was married to a beautiful woman and had a daughter. He wanted to kill Maeve and her daughter to see if he could feel anything.

As he's a senior board member and as he an have "anything he wants" could he have requested they were made in his wife's and daughter's image?

I can imagine Charlotte looking very much like the girl at the same age.

Maeve and Dolores are very different characters, Dolores is, for lack of a better word, naïve, and on an adventure of discovery. Maeve on the other hand doesn't quite give a shit; she is obsessed with dominance, power and escape from this game, and she's willing to do whatever it takes to do it, whereas Dolores is more cautious.

It's the not-give-a-shit attitude of Maeve that intrigues me, and the fact that she could control Bernard. That scene was brilliant! She's powerful now, and she knows it!


I may recall incorrectly, but didn't Logan and William have an exchange with Maeve shortly after they arrived at the park?

It was said early on that the further guests wander from the arrival point at Sweetwater, the more dangerous it gets.

Maeve has existed since before the Park opened 35 years ago.

As far as we know the first time the MiB encountered Maeve was only a year or so ago.

He may well have met her on previous visits to the Park but we know she existed 5 years before William first went to the park so can't be based on his wife (if William is MiB of course).

Plus we know William was due to marry Logan's sister (who we know doesn't look like Maeve). Of course this marriage may well not go ahead and William marries someone else.

So the idea of Charlotte being William/MiB daughter can't be totally ruled out.

I had initially thought this as well but no they didn't.

There's three scenes in the episode in question

William/Logan meet Clementine in the street outside the saloon.
We next see Maeve and Clementine talking inside the Saloon.
Then we have a scene of William and Clementine in a bedroom at the Saloon.

It's edited so we think Maeve is in the same time period as William/Logan but they never actually meet.