It is implied (heavily) though!? I wonder where Maeve was if not the mistress back then; she wouldn't have been playing the mother role, cause we know that is later in her career (when MiB comes along and kills her; that's some 20-30 years after the events of Logan & William).

We were told she only had the role of the Madam for a year or so. They probably made her that as it was so radically different from the Rancher Mother role. There's never any mention that Maeve played the Madam in the past.

As far as we know Dolores has played the Ranchers daughter for 30 years (all her flashbacks prior to that role seem to be to the original prepark training years) so why can't Maeve have played the mother for 30 years?

I suppose there's no reason she couldn't, only that you'd maybe rotate the hosts once in a while. 30 years is quite a stretch of time for the exact same role. It's no wonder they're questioning their existence. I sometimes do the same, and I've only been in my (repetitive) job for ten years. In thirty? God help me!

Hotting up in time for the final episode. Nothing would surprise me in the final episode, safe to say I'm going to be bloody gutted when it's over.

So many theories, despite going back and fourth on William or as an outside shot Logan being MIB, I went and bloody read a theory on:



Which actually sounded like it could happen. I've missed having a show like this where there's so many theories and so many questions, haven't had this feel since Lost.

If William is MIB why would Dolores be scared of him? It would make sense for her to fear Logan after what he did.

Because he's been dragging her into the barn and doing god knows what to her for years?

Oldest in the park in terms of software or hardware? I've just assumed they uploaded all or portions of the programming from the original hosts to the more modern "fleshbots" in the current timeline (aside from Ford's family).

We may see him again in flashbacks. It would actually be the first time we really get truly acquainted with the non AI version of Arnold rather than the transient echoes of him in Bernard.

Well, like I said before, I don't recall them ever mentioning transferring host consciousness so I just assume that the hosts remain the same, perhaps with some refits and upgrades over the years? Really hope we find out, I loved the robotic host design.

Glad I stuck with this, it's an excellent show with fantastic writing, production and acting. And I really love how the show encourages the viewer to really engage with the narrative. Like LOST except with less frustration and more clearly defined plotting. So sad it's almost over and we won't see season two until 2018. :'(

Why would they bother?

The Hosts only have a couple of week life cycle before they repeat themselves again there would (in theory) be no reason to transfer the mind of a 30 year old host into a brand new body as the Hosts should only have a couple of weeks memories at most.

We also know that the 50 original hosts have a receiver in them that has been picking up Arnold's messages so that obviously is still part of their original body so they can't just be programming code transferred into a new Flesh body.


They are probably a blend of the new (skin for example) and the old technologies now due to being repaired numerous times but I think we'll find that Maeve, Dolores, Angela etc are still mechanical for the most part and would only be fully replaced (with a brand new model with new programming) when they are beyond repair.

It's all speculation and theories right now. If he IS MIB then we'll likely find out why in the final episode. William had a shift in this weeks episode as he did at the river with the dying host the week before, which is potentially leading to an explanation on everything IF he is MIB.

Because he's changing? William, I think, got caught up in the moment, and thought of Dolores as human. It wasn't until Logan showed him first hand that he seemed to awaken.


I don't quite think he's been doing all that to her. MiB doesn't seem that sort of character; he's there looking for something, where is the sense of his character having his way with Dolores? If anything, I still think he's trying to help her, but maybe she doesn't realize it yet?



If you were to buy a new computer, you'd still copy over most of your saved documents, music, videos etc. The software is transferable, even if you aren't likely to use the new computer than much; if you were going to get rid of your old one, you'd still transfer the data, so I'd actually be surprised if the hosts didn't get new bodies.


By that logic, why bother making new hosts? If the whole point of the park is to seem as real as possible, then surely it makes sense to upgrade old hosts in the process?


I'd think Arnold's message is buried in their programming, rather than their mechanical body.

Wasn't she heavily altered by both Bernard and Ford, after the MIB had shot her daughter and she had gained consciousness? And stabbed herself in the stomach.

surely this would have happened before she got reassigned as the brothel madam? A few years before the repair guys met her?

Indeed - but as 'official business' wouldn't those changes be logged and not surprising? The changes the techs found seemed to shock them. Of course, you could be right in that they aren't supposed to be using a behaviour tablet themselves, and any significant alterations could be a revelation to them. Roll on Sunday!

I like it!

We were told Fleshhosts are a lot cheaper to make than mechanical ones however if you still have a mechanical one that's working fine carrying on using that would be cheaper still.

So you carry on using the mechanical ones till they are beyond repair and then replace them with a Fleshhost.

......

We were told the Old mechanical Hosts were the only ones equipped to receive any messages sent out via the old computer system.

So they must have some sort of receiver in their bodies that lets them do this that the newer hosts don't.


I was thinking more scalping her and looking inside her head as he has done to other Hosts than anything else.

We saw in one of Dolores flashbacks a very early scene with the hosts being taught how to dance. I suppose its not just a case of printing out a replacement host, it also needs training to pass as human - making recycling already trained hosts more economic.

I'm thinking more on the maintenance.


There's got to be some form of technical aspect to a flesh-host, else they'd not be controllable. As such, any host, mechanical or otherwise can be linked to a computer system (as they are when under maintenance etc). Could it not be conceivable that this code is embedded in the foundation of a host (their core code) rather than a mechanical aspect? Access by Wifi?


It's possible. I just don't think it was rape as earlier implied. An odd implication considering the actress has recently came out and stated she's the victim of rape.


As with any manufacturer, I'd be amazed if the organisation running the show didn't have additional hosts ready to go if/when they were needed. They may have a whole load of hosts in storage, waiting to be turned on.

Really enjoying this series.

Haven't been reading the thread so it's probably all been worked out already, but my best guess is that we're watching 3 timelines:

'Present' Day: The political feud with Ford / Delos, Maeve's awakening, MIB's hunt, and Teddy's memory changing, some Dolores scenes without William.

30 years ago: William and Logan visit the park, the 'incident' that Bernard refers to happens.

35 (?) years ago: Dolores in the buried town, presumably when she kills Arnold.

There could well be a fourth timeline, which is MiB attacking Maeve and her daughter? Present day minus one or two years?

Did anyone else notice that the picture that Logan shows William of his sister is the same one that Dolores' father finds, which seems to have started this whole mess in the first place

Yep I noticed that, I thought it was a neat touch to bring the story full circle and prove we have multiple timelines without it needing to spell it out. I largely agree with your timelines, however I think we have the 'Arnold' years as well which may be explored in future. We see a lot of the conflicting ethics of conciousness, and will Ford's backdoor end up scuppering Maeve or is it an arrogance on his part that he's happy for her to awaken knowing he can shut her down when needs be. (It would clearly be exceptionally bad for the board if there was to be an incident in Westworld, who seem to see it as a purely entertainment venue, so it would be entirely fitting for Ford's 'greatest achievement' is the storyline that leads to his creations destruction.

I think the theory about Teddy being William doesn't work, it disappears off down the rabbit hole too much, rather they see Dolores' love for William and decide to harness it. I definitely think the Dolores/MIB face off will be William declaring who he really is, especially with the 'don't call me that' line.

The questions are being answered very well so far and those that didn't stick with it will be sorely disappointed. It probably the most immersive television show I can remember. I just wish it was on Netflix so I didn't have to wait until Monday!!

FWIW I think "the incident" was Dolores killing Arnold.

Did that not happen prior to the park opening? And then "the incident" happened sometime after the park opened?

I wondered if the incident might be Dolores killing Logan. And then William takes over and bails out the company under the condition that Dolores isn't decommissioned or whatever.

Wyatt killed the general = Dolores killed Logan? They did make a point of Logan being a "major or a general or whatever."

The incident happened after the park had opened. Unless I'm mistaken, Arnold had died by then.


Correct (I think).


That's a good shout.