I think Arnold might be the General and the incident involved William and Logan, probably one of their deaths.

RE Flesh hosts vs mechanical metal hosts, I remember reading a kids book which said that for its weight, and for its strength to stay upright and cope with movement, bone is one of the strongest and most successful and adaptable materials.

Plastic is good, but surely the hosts are going to need some kind of metal subframe, to act like a bone, and to keep them upright and allow them to move? And they must have to consider things like cost, a robot made of something like carbon fibre, is going to be so expensive surely you aren't going to deliberately put it in a situation where its damaged on a daily basis.

I just realised this series is like one of my favourite story sets from years ago, the R Daneel, Isaac Asimov stories, Robots and people and what is humanity?

Posted here even though it simulcasted in UK, as the UK thread may want to avoid spoilers until Tuesday..

Sylvester: "whoever it was, revised your core programming so you could wake yourself up"
Ford, Bernard (Ford by proxy) or... Arnold 'from beyond'?
Bernard later hammers this home when he tells Maeve her current 'motivation' is by design. Is it a test to see if she can go through with it, resisting her 'human' urges to find her 'daughter'? Self interest over altruism?

Of course we know now, but William drops more pointers to his identity - echoing some of his previous (i.e. later) phrases such as:
"How 'bout I give you the first shot" and mirroring the dragging around of Lawrence.

Composite personalities rear their head, but we're left none the wiser what 'Wyatt' will mean, other than being the foundation for a leader of the hosts going forward in season 2.

Nobody missing the security guy who got taken by Ghost Nation... or Elsie... I guess we're going to see them again then..
I thought Logan's horse might explode upon reaching the park limits. Guess not, but if William took over Delos then he can't have returned.. can he?

Delores is God??

Anthony Hopkins was the devil?

The man in black was a ghost??

That's what I make of the last episode.

So all these feral hosts, who could harm humans all the time, have just been waiting in the wings waiting for Ford to begin the uprising?

Also, where's Logan and the security guy?

Amazing season, amazing episode. This show is just top notch.

- Man in Black = William confirmed.

- Dolores = Wyatt confirmed.

- I am so gutted that Ford had to die, but it was a good emotional anchor to all the bloodshed that both he and Arnold went out the exact same way.

- Man in Black got shot at the end but we don't see him actually die so hopefully if we don't get Anthony Hopkins returning we at least get Ed Harris returning.

- I found it interesting that it was basically confirmed Ford was controlling Maeve the whole time and her "breakout" was just the foundation for his final story. Also interesting that she chose to go back to the park to be with her daughter rather than escape, but it was nice to hammer home that the hosts finally had choice rather than having their decisions being made for them.

- So... we're just assuming Stubbs is dead right?

- What actually happened to Logan? William strapped him naked to a horse and then..? I'm not sure I followed that.

- I have to wonder what's next for the show. I'd imagine most of the board members got wiped out in that final scene and the hosts now have consciousness so is the next season just going to be another park like the tease we got of SamuraiWorld?

Maeve's narrative included "mainland infiltration"

she chose not to follow that narrative and decided to return to her daughter in Park 1.

William is a pretty major character, I'm sure he'll be around next season. I like the idea that Clementine shooting him in the arm instead of killing him was a final message from Ford, telling him that he's finally got what he wanted.


Holed up somewhere with Elsie I reckon. There's an easter egg on the website suggesting that she's still alive.

I'm also wondering how they'll do next season. I suppose there are still humans in the park, and I wonder if we'll get warring AI factions (Dolores on one side, Maeve on the other?). That maybe a bit too Person of Interest-esque though.

Not necessarily,Maeve altered their coding,but considering Maeve's escape was part of Ford's plan Im not sure.

A shame the show has to come back, that was basically perfect.

[quote=I am so gutted that Ford had to die[/QUOTE]

I highly doubt he is dead so I'll hazard a guess at the Ford that was shot was a Host.

Yes I think the host that Ford was creating was a version of himself to do the speech and take the bullet - whilst of course wiping out the (entire) Delos board.

I am guessing that Dolores had to accept becoming the murderous Wyatt character if she wanted to gain her freedom and that was the whole point of the maze. Be interesting to see where they go with that character in season 2.

The samurai level was quite interesting - I wonder if season 2 will see the sentient hosts based in this world, gotta be a reason they made a big point of showing it in this episode.

This was a great series but on the whole I was slightly disappointed with this finale ... MIB could be a goner but quite frankly I don't really care about such a soulless character (although I think it has been confirmed that Ed Harris is coming back for season 2).

Disappointing.

Have the hosts really gained consciousness?

Despite appearing to have done so, we discovered Maeve was following her programming during her take over; and Dolores was following her programming when she appeared to kill Ford.

Are those signs of conscious and sentient beings, or robot dolls following orders?

And why did Ford make Bernard kill Theresa? I know that happened several weeks ago in our timeline, however inside Westworld that was only a few days ago. Why didn't Ford simply give her the runaround for a few days, then have her killed alongside everyone else?

And are we really to believe Ford wanted to set the hosts free all along, just as Arnold wanted to do? He didn't show much respect for them during the previous nine episodes.

Ed Harris has already confirmed he'll return for season 2. Perhaps he survives, perhaps he returns as a host or, perhaps, we'll only see him in flashback scenes.

I guess my biggest disappointment is that season 1 ended with a big blood bath and the robots taking over. I thought the series was more intelligent than that. It feels like an extended rehash of the Westworld film now. Perhaps session 2 will prove me wrong.

Loved the last episode, the whole show was just pure class. Cleverly written, brilliantly acted and beautifully shot.

Loads of questions answered, some not but a great ending to make me excited for the return and see where this goes next. This is my new favourite show.

Just because it ended in a blood bath doesn't mean it isn't intelligent. Ford was 100 steps ahead of everyone else and might not even be dead

The premise is a lot more complex than you're making it out to be.

What a way to end it eh? Only a year or so to wait

Yeah I watched it at 2am and I'm still thinking about it, great cliffhanger and plenty to think over. Just can not wait for season 2 now, the long wait begins

What was the significance of the bit after the credits?

For anyone who missed it snake lady cut her arm off when it was caught in the door!

Maybe. I guess we'll have to wait for series 2 to find out.

It feels like it was an extended version of the 1973 Westworld film.

Just seen season 2 won't air until 2018

Closer to 2 years according to the producers:

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/west...18-1201933825/

So was the incident from 30 years ago Logan being driven mad while in the park?



Yeah could well be, lets him carry on masterminding the Robot revolution while any members of the board who survive the massacre will think he's dead.


I kept expecting Ford to have made copies of all the Board members and to replace them after killing them off at the feast.



So how many Parks and Zones are there?

Is Samurai World (saw the SW logo and thought what does that stand for but was soon answered) and Westworld different Parks or just Zones within the same Park (presumably Park 1 which we know has at least 3 Zones).

Neither were following their programming. Dolores found the centre of the maze. In effect she "heard her own voice" for the first time, ie became self aware. Ford knew Dolores would kill him. But not because he programmed her to do so. It just seemed like the logical inevitable outcome of her solving the maze and her accumulated traumas. We can debate about free will or whether it even exists. But Dolores's decision to kill was as much of a conscious choice as those that you or I make.

Unlike most hosts, Maeve's trauma of losing her daughter wasn't scripted. William is responsible for that. That wasn't intended to be part of her new identity as a madame either. She became aware of it's pull on her and considered it an encumbrance to her aims. But her decision to give in to it was her choice. And she had to defy her primary programmed directive to "escape." So in a sense what she thought to be her own desires and what was essentially her programmed motivations were in essence flipped from what she initially perceived them to be. Maeve came to this realisation in the finale.


Theresa was spying on him. Seemed to know things. How much? Who knows. He couldn't take the chance. She may have been more prepared to circumvent his "narrative" than Charlotte. Or so he may have presumed.


Not until Arnold died. In a sense his death was Ford's identity building "trauma." Actually if you go back to watch the episodes and listen to the things he was saying it's clear that it's humanity that he doesn't respect. A fervent nihilist.

Well I've just caught up, what an absolutely stunning finale. I'm also on the train of thought that the Ford that was killed wasn't the real one, but the host he was building in the basement.

Few questions to answer in Season 2. I'm fascinated to see where it goes from here though, warring factions, Ford continually manipulating, Maeve appearing to gain free choice and Dolores finally understanding it (if not achieving it)

Also we got a glimpse Westworld wasn't the only world in the park (as we know from the film there are lots of different ones) and obviously the William pay off was masterful.

Loved it, Can't belive there's over 12 months to wait for a new season- Ridiculously impatient!

Shame. The TV series has essentially followed the same plot as the 1973 Westworld film: robots go on a rampage and kill humans. I was expecting more from this series. I had some empathy with the hosts, but that's all gone now.


I thought all she was doing was smuggling information out of the park. It would have been easy to keep her busy for a few days.

I feel very let down by the series, but most of the comments I've read here and elsewhere have been positive, so I guess it's working for others.