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Old 07-12-2016, 16:19
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Yeah, sorry, I meant Felix. No idea where Justin came from.

And since people are talking about it, if Dolores is the only host to achieve the bicameral mind state (no longer hearing Arnold's voice, but her own) of sentience, then why was Ford talking about constantly having to roll hosts back, and also about dumping those who achieve sentience and go insane in the basement? If that's true, then how is Dolores the first host to become sentient? I feel like sentience is a yes or no thing, or are are there now levels of sentience?
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:24
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The only thing I have trouble accepting is with regards to Maeve being programmed to realise she's not human and try and break out of the park etc.

I can absolutely accept that Ford (or someone) programmed this in her, not an issue with that. But it was really only possible through the help of Felix and Sylvester - if they're not hosts how could Ford (or anyone) bank on them going along with everything she wanted them to do? Also why on earth didn't Felix plan to leave on the same train as Maeve - he can't just go back to work, surely!

I hope this hasn't already been posted and answered
It's been picked up across the Internet as a plot hole. Would have made more sense for them to be unaware hosts than real human 'weak minded fools!'.
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:31
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I can absolutely accept that Ford (or someone) programmed this in her, not an issue with that. But it was really only possible through the help of Felix and Sylvester - if they're not hosts how could Ford (or anyone) bank on them going along with everything she wanted them to do? Also why on earth didn't Felix plan to leave on the same train as Maeve - he can't just go back to work, surely!
The way I look at it is that Ford has done some evaluation on (his?) employees? He knows who'd be more sympathetic/empathic towards a conscious host, and thus set up the means for the tech guy to be working on Maeve when she woke up?

Think, Ford has planned much more complicated narrative already. Would this be beyond him?
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:40
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That's one of the easiest things to explain, Maeve and the other hosts have never seen a Samurai before or why they exist which would require a knowledge of Japanese history......which is rather complicated.

Yet she wasn't perturbed by the escalator or any of the other modern stuff as she made her escape out. She's seen swords and other melee weapons within Westworld and is aware of there being more to the world than her Westworld captivity so not that hard to explain. They just wanted to tease us with Samurai World.

I did laugh when her companion hosts got hold of the automatic rifles with their 'how cool are these' reaction. I guess Maeve had upped their settings to learn instantly and not be as confused about stuff as Dolores had been.
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:52
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Yet she wasn't perturbed by the escalator or any of the other modern stuff as she made her escape out. She's seen swords and other melee weapons within Westworld and is aware of there being more to the world than her Westworld captivity so not that hard to explain. They just wanted to tease us with Samurai World.
She's not going to be as perturbed by a set of moving stairs or a train (these could have been implanted in her memory as this was her storyline) as she would to see humans/robots dressed up in fancy armour, they barely even look 'human'. You'd have to explain Japanese feudal society and where Samurais originated from. Not something that could be explained in a line or two of exposition.

I did laugh when her companion hosts got hold of the automatic rifles with their 'how cool are these' reaction. I guess Maeve had upped their settings to learn instantly and not be as confused about stuff as Dolores had been.
I'm pretty sure we saw Maeve ramp all of their settings up to '11'. I particularly liked the effortless hip shots! Security guards were laughable though, not a single one knows how to shoot straight.
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Old 07-12-2016, 16:59
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I'm pretty sure we saw Maeve ramp all of their settings up to '11'. I particularly liked the effortless hip shots! Security guards were laughable though, not a single one knows how to shoot straight.
She ramped up a lot of their settings, but not all of them; she still wanted to be in control, didn't she? She most likely enhanced their perception and ability to learn (re automatic weapons). I doubt she enhanced their overall intelligence much though, as neither of them would have likely took orders from her.
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Old 07-12-2016, 17:02
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Sorry if this has already be raised - but surely the largest narrative problem now is that the deaths of all those rich/important people will be noticed immediately and the authorities sent in to close the park down?
If I was Ford I would have probably shot the lot and sent Host versions back into the real world to tell everyone it was all going wonderfully - and for everyone to keep investing in the park(s)! But I guess that didn't happen as, assuming his death was not what it seemed, Ford wouldn't have bothered to appear to have been killed in front of them first.
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Old 07-12-2016, 17:04
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She ramped up a lot of their settings, but not all of them; she still wanted to be in control, didn't she? She most likely enhanced their perception and ability to learn (re automatic weapons). I doubt she enhanced their overall intelligence much though, as neither of them would have likely took orders from her.
I noticed her set aggression to maximum and pain to minimum. Would explain how Armistice was able to cut off her own arm!
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Old 07-12-2016, 17:19
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The way I look at it is that Ford has done some evaluation on (his?) employees? He knows who'd be more sympathetic/empathic towards a conscious host, and thus set up the means for the tech guy to be working on Maeve when she woke up?

Think, Ford has planned much more complicated narrative already. Would this be beyond him?
That is true, I mean I assume he must have known about the bird for example which might have given him the suggestion to use Felix.
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Old 07-12-2016, 20:18
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I noticed her set aggression to maximum and pain to minimum. Would explain how Armistice was able to cut off her own arm!
As an aside, I quite enjoyed her nude assassin performance!
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