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Old 04-10-2016, 18:25
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I really enjoyed the first episode and will be following the series.

I have seen the orginal Westworld film. In its time is was good, but this new updated version is something else again.

The work and production values that have gone into making this for me is amazing.

I know that there are others who may not agree, but then that's what DS forums are all about. We're all entitled to our opinions.
It seems to be popular on here and even more so from the media reviews, its only a few like myself who thought it was terrible!!

The media reviews normally compare one show with another but very few if any compared this to Deadwood. That spoke volumes about the quality of the show, i cant knock the cast (or the production) and they will struggle on. Bad shows are OK for cable company's so long as they aren't too expensive, Fear The Walking Dead is unwatchable but soldiering on!! HBO like to see themselves as purveyers of fine entertainment, they must have watched the pilot through their fingers wincing at it.

Will it get an audience to survive? i am going to guess no, it falls between the quality stools and the mass entertainment one, but if Mr Robot/The Strain can be renewed, theoretically anything can.

What i wont be doing is haunting this thread pointing out how rubbish it is though!!
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Old 05-10-2016, 06:43
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No, the original Westworld film was released in 1973 and starred Yul Brynner. The man in black character that Ed Harris plays in this series is based on the Yul Brynner character in the film.
1973? I definitely haven't seen that one then!

It was confusing for me too because it wasn't always clear who were robots and who were humans. If we haven't been properly introduced to the characters yet there was no real way of knowing much of the time. Especially since what I assume were robots were bleeding, and the Ed Harris gunslinger character didn't bleed at all when shot.
It is/was my understanding that everyone (with the exception of that guy who played the Governor in The Walking Dead and his wife) that we saw in the Wild West was a bot, or at least that's what I think we're being led to believe. At least as prominent characters go anyway. There were a few other people scattered about who seemed to be actual people (the couple who got off the train during the first cycle, and there was another couple cowering in the bar during that shootout).

All the cowboys, lawman, hookers (etc) are all bots, and yes, they bleed, which makes Ed's character that much more intriguing (cause he doesn't bleed).

I've got a feeling that the staff member who was holding a photo of what I believe was his dead son, is also a bot.
The programmer? Black fella with glasses? It'll be interesting if he is a bot, because he's also a programmer, so could he (potentially) reprogram himself?

Will it get an audience to survive? i am going to guess no, it falls between the quality stools and the mass entertainment one, but if Mr Robot/The Strain can be renewed, theoretically anything can.
How dare you mock the Strain! I suppose the benefit with that show is the writers/producers have a start, middle and end. By all accounts, the show comes to a close next year, and it was always the intention of the show not to drag on; it has a specific story to tell, and an end, it's just kind of a shame it's taken a few slow episodes to get there.
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Old 05-10-2016, 08:13
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Annoying shouty English bloke effing and blinding makes an appearance, apart from that so far so good.
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:33
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1973? I definitely haven't seen that one then!

It is/was my understanding that everyone (with the exception of that guy who played the Governor in The Walking Dead and his wife) that we saw in the Wild West was a bot, or at least that's what I think we're being led to believe. At least as prominent characters go anyway. There were a few other people scattered about who seemed to be actual people (the couple who got off the train during the first cycle, and there was another couple cowering in the bar during that shootout).

All the cowboys, lawman, hookers (etc) are all bots, and yes, they bleed, which makes Ed's character that much more intriguing (cause he doesn't bleed).

The programmer? Black fella with glasses? It'll be interesting if he is a bot, because he's also a programmer, so could he (potentially) reprogram himself?

How dare you mock the Strain! I suppose the benefit with that show is the writers/producers have a start, middle and end. By all accounts, the show comes to a close next year, and it was always the intention of the show not to drag on; it has a specific story to tell, and an end, it's just kind of a shame it's taken a few slow episodes to get there.
If you go to Rotten Tomatoes there's a trailer for the original film - link below. If nothing else, it shows how far film making and tv show production have come over the last 43 years!

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/westworld/
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:44
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Annoying shouty English bloke effing and blinding makes an appearance, apart from that so far so good.
Yeah, I hope he gets killed off sooner rather than later, couldn't stand him.
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Old 05-10-2016, 13:41
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Yeah, I hope he gets killed off sooner rather than later, couldn't stand him.
I think American producers think we all speak like that unless we studied Shakespeare. At least Hopkins raised the bar.
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:49
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Annoying shouty English bloke effing and blinding makes an appearance, apart from that so far so good.
Yes, when he came on I suddenly thought I was watching some bargain basement Sky production instead. Or Jeremy Kyle had landed a plum role playing himself in full sneer mode.
The actress playing his boss, I presume she is from some Scandi drama I've never seen, seemed detached from her lines too. Lots of hand-on-hips staring ominously while delivering stiff lines.
If Jeremy Kyle explodes in Ep2 I'll be happier.

My initial guesses:

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Old 06-10-2016, 12:03
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Yes, when he came on I suddenly thought I was watching some bargain basement Sky production instead. Or Jeremy Kyle had landed a plum role playing himself in full sneer mode.
The actress playing his boss, I presume she is from some Scandi drama I've never seen, seemed detached from her lines too. Lots of hand-on-hips staring ominously while delivering stiff lines.
If Jeremy Kyle explodes in Ep2 I'll be happier.

My initial guesses:

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Yes, she played Birgitte Nyborg in a Danish series 'Borgen' which was very popular with those of us who watch BBC4 on Saturday nights.
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Old 06-10-2016, 15:01
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I thought the 'breakdowns' suffered by the automatons that were confronted with evidence of a greater reality, were reminiscent of "Welt Am Draht" (World on a Wire) - coincidentally also 1973 - in which several simulation characters either 'know' or discover their world is a simulation, but because the programming that creates their world prevents it, they can't share this information or reveal it. The torment proves unbearable.

Yes, she played Birgitte Nyborg in a Danish series 'Borgen' which was very popular with those of us who watch BBC4 on Saturday nights.
Ah, I thought it would be something like that, ta. I think having to play opposite the sweary Jeremy Kyle guy sucked the motivation from her here.
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Old 06-10-2016, 16:48
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That scene felt really forced and out of place.
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Old 07-10-2016, 07:10
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1973? I definitely haven't seen that one then!

It is/was my understanding that everyone (with the exception of that guy who played the Governor in The Walking Dead and his wife) that we saw in the Wild West was a bot, or at least that's what I think we're being led to believe. At least as prominent characters go anyway. There were a few other people scattered about who seemed to be actual people (the couple who got off the train during the first cycle, and there was another couple cowering in the bar during that shootout).

All the cowboys, lawman, hookers (etc) are all bots, and yes, they bleed, which makes Ed's character that much more intriguing (cause he doesn't bleed).
I thought the man in black himself explained the reason he didn't bleed is because the AIs can't hurt the guests. So they can shoot at them but nothing happens?

Also, that wasn't David Morrissey (aka the Governor) playing the husband of the couple.
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:23
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I thought the man in black himself explained the reason he didn't bleed is because the AIs can't hurt the guests. So they can shoot at them but nothing happens?
I don't think so. They're real bullets. The AI's aren't supposed to be able to harm the guests (by physical means), but if one was shot in the crossfire, or by accident, they'd still suffer the wounds of a gunshot (I presume). It was mentioned by that programmer that the AI's couldn't harm guests, and couldn't even hurt a fly (though we know the latter to now be false).

If the AI's couldn't shoot guests, then the two guests cowering in the bar during that shootout ... wouldn't have needed too.

Also, that wasn't David Morrissey (aka the Governor) playing the husband of the couple.
Well I'll be damned, you're right (of course). The guy is actually Currie Graham, for some reason I got him confused with David.
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:54
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1973? I definitely haven't seen that one then!

It is/was my understanding that everyone (with the exception of that guy who played the Governor in The Walking Dead and his wife) that we saw in the Wild West was a bot, or at least that's what I think we're being led to believe. At least as prominent characters go anyway. There were a few other people scattered about who seemed to be actual people (the couple who got off the train during the first cycle, and there was another couple cowering in the bar during that shootout).

All the cowboys, lawman, hookers (etc) are all bots, and yes, they bleed, which makes Ed's character that much more intriguing (cause he doesn't bleed).

The programmer? Black fella with glasses? It'll be interesting if he is a bot, because he's also a programmer, so could he (potentially) reprogram himself?

How dare you mock the Strain! I suppose the benefit with that show is the writers/producers have a start, middle and end. By all accounts, the show comes to a close next year, and it was always the intention of the show not to drag on; it has a specific story to tell, and an end, it's just kind of a shame it's taken a few slow episodes to get there.
That was Currie Graham. He most definitely did NOT play the Governor in The Walking Dead. That was David Morrissey.
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Old 07-10-2016, 09:48
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That was Currie Graham. He most definitely did NOT play the Governor in The Walking Dead. That was David Morrissey.
Read the post above!
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:06
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I don't think so. They're real bullets. The AI's aren't supposed to be able to harm the guests (by physical means), but if one was shot in the crossfire, or by accident, they'd still suffer the wounds of a gunshot (I presume). It was mentioned by that programmer that the AI's couldn't harm guests, and couldn't even hurt a fly (though we know the latter to now be false).

If the AI's couldn't shoot guests, then the two guests cowering in the bar during that shootout ... wouldn't have needed too.
At the start, when he was at the Abernathy house, he said something to Tommy along the lines of that he could try to shoot him but it wouldn't have any affect because the AIs can't hurt the guests. And then Tommy tried to and it didn't do anything. I took that as meaning that perhaps the guns are programmed to only work on the AIs? Guess we'll find out!
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:11
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At the start, when he was at the Abernathy house, he said something to Tommy along the lines of that he could try to shoot him but it wouldn't have any affect because the AIs can't hurt the guests. And then Tommy tried to and it didn't do anything. I took that as meaning that perhaps the guns are programmed to only work on the AIs? Guess we'll find out!
I guess it's possible that the guns (or AI's) are programmed to fire blanks when shooting at an actual person I suppose. I guess though, as you've stated, we'll see in good time.
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Old 07-10-2016, 15:38
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A warning that Episode 2 is out as a web rip.
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Old 07-10-2016, 16:26
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A warning that Episode 2 is out as a web rip.
Just to update.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/7/13...-release-watch

As Entertainment Weekly points out, the advance release is an effort by HBO to avoid losing viewers the second presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, which will air this Sunday during Westworld's 9PM ET time slot.
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Old 07-10-2016, 16:57
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Finally caught up with ep1. I thought it was a great pilot, it laid out the situation fairly well without giving too much away. A pilot has a difficult job to inform the audience without being too Expositiony.
Dolores feels a little like Echo in Dollhouse to me, where the memories from the reveries are coming through from previous scenarios. I wonder if she will become more and more "human" as the series progresses.

Bernard also intrigues me. Is he a human with robot like traits or is he actually a robot. They mentioned how he has no family (no life outside work hinted at). Dr. Bob likes to chat with him (like his old Bill bot). His voice was very calm (almost monotone) throughout.
Are they going to compare Dolores (a robot acting human) with Bernard (a human acting like a robot).

As for the Man in Black, I think he is human from what we've seen so far. Not sure what his story is so far though. Will he tire of fulfilling his darker desires in-game and escalate to real people? Other guests or the engineers in the background?

Plenty of directions the show can go in. Looking forward to seeing which way they do go...
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:32
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Just watched episode two and man it was good.

Lots of plot development and potential new story arcs. Loving it.
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Old 08-10-2016, 09:22
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Episode 2 was much better. Jeremy Kyle kept to a minimum (still hugely grating).

The young boy that Anthony Hopkins met in the desert - he was obviously an automaton, that could be controlled with specific command phrases. However, he introduced himself as being 'on holiday' with his parents. So either there is a trade in these AI people in the outside world (once again suggesting 'The Man in Black' may be one), or Westworld caters to the darkest of fantasies.

Looks like Hopkin's character has decided they are ready to be inroduced to religion...
The disillusionment of discovering the man behind the curtain could tip many over the edge...
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Old 08-10-2016, 09:28
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Only seen episode 1 so far but I find it really intriguing.

I was sure Dolores was a human but turned out she wasn't!

Hoping the next episode will show more guest interaction as the first show was mostly hosts.
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Old 08-10-2016, 09:43
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Hoping the next episode will show more guest interaction as the first show was mostly hosts.
Episode 2 reflects the original movie - two friends arrive in Westworld together, each deciding to go down polar opposite paths in their 'roles'. Their different attitudes to and treatment of the automatons is the focus of their scenes. You'll feel for the old prospector.
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Old 08-10-2016, 10:25
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Sounding good Asmo, thanks for the info.
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Old 08-10-2016, 19:40
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Episode 2 reflects the original movie - two friends arrive in Westworld together, each deciding to go down polar opposite paths in their 'roles'. Their different attitudes to and treatment of the automatons is the focus of their scenes. You'll feel for the old prospector.
I was intrigued by Ben Barnes character saying something along the lines about was this not work related. We have no idea what life is like outside the park. I thought it may be like sending your employees on an outward bound to see how they perform. Willliam doesn't appear to really want to be there.

Read an article where it is hinted they might expand beyond Westworld as in the original movie if it gets a second season. I think it would be great to have different worlds and it's makes sense.

I too think the man in black has a connection to Yul. Where are they getting the ideas for characters and faces? He seems to want revenge which is intriguing.
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