I love this show, and its incredibly interesting to read everyone's theory on it but I totally don't buy the two time periods thing- It would throw too much out, I guess there's evidence to support it but I think for the casual viewer it would be too much. (Although I like the theory Ben Barnes grows up to be Ed Harris- They certainly have similar character types) But they make reference to Dolores being one of the oldest hosts in the park on multiple occasions after her original 'dad' has been killed and we see him replaced with the new host after he goes a bit nutty. This is before we see her break her 'loop,' so I'm not sure it has that much merit and we're on a linear timeline.

I think obviously when the guests are asleep they have some sort of hoover thing to patch up the hosts etc... and as it's part of the 'game' the guests go along with it. I think it's clear to me some remnant of Arnold (either a hologram or in person) will be at the centre of the maze. I'm wondering whether it's some sort of freedom thing, in that Dolores will get to see the 'real world' if she makes it. Lots of questions but that's what makes it great imo and its really not that confusing (Yet anyway)

While I'm on it, there was a section where someone tries to thank the man in black for doing something in the real world, but clearly android tech won't be limited to Westworld, so I'm wondering if its in an abstract medical kind of way- I still think he's probably a host, and that maybe he achieved his freedom?

I think the outside world is actually a sterile, brave new world like place where people are born into roles, pathways, to the point they resemble the hosts in westworld, it may be westworld is more 'real' than the Utopian nothingness of what's outside it.

Explain Lawrence?


Really? I got the impression he was thinking Oh Shit!

If William's story is in the past then all the violence might be leading up to where it all went wrong.

He was killed by the MiB.

Picked up by the Park Staff

Fixed and put back into the plotline he was meant to be in (rather than being dragged all over the park by MiB).


Just as much a possible explanation as the TTP theory.

I'll admit, I can't argue with that...

OK here is my theory as to what we are seeing:

We have 2 timelines ...

Timeline 1
In the Logan, William and Dolores timeline we are building up to William sacrificing himself for Dolores - probably at the hands of Logan. This death leads to the incident (that nearly shuts the park) and Logan trying to cover it up by buying the park and then becoming MIB

Timeline 2
MIB takes "vacations" unlocking the parks "Easter Eggs" and has to collect them all before he can unlock the major one - "what is at the centre of the maze". He has to solve this mystery by interacting with the correct hosts but Ford keeps altering the storyline and introducing new characters to stop him - this time he has introduced Wyatt to the story.

Couple of things I found interesting in Timeline 2 is that MIB has very likely tried to complete this task numerous times so at the big Lawrence shootout he knows where the gunmen come from and and are hiding so it is routine for him. Also when he kills Lawrence and drains his blood to give to Teddy the mysterious little boy appears which may signify that he has chosen the correct path this time ... the appearance of Ford in the storyline also tells MIB that he is getting close to breaking the mystery.

In this weeks episode we saw a church with a black spire but we didn't see the top of it. I'm convinced has we seen the top it would have confirmed it to be a black cross like that Anthony Hopkins saw in the desert and thus confirming that the town had been buried.

MiB seems convinced the hosts are just machines. Will however, seems convinced Dolores is becoming, or is, sentient (and honestly, who can blame him?). This disparity makes me doubt that the MiB is Will.

Maybe Dolores was the catalyst for the bad thing that happened and that changed him. Although, I'm not convinced that William is the MIB either, if there are two time periods going on. Anyway, below is a video on the theory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLli7Gc1ZBU

I'm hoping Delores is more than just a part of the plot, that she become sentient and ends up living a normal life outside of the park.

Interesting about the different logo's, hadn't picked up on that.

Nor the condensed milk obviously


I was sure Maeve had been in scenes that corresponded with the William/Logan scenes though but I guess that was down to the tricksy editing

What happened to those tribal people with warpaint that attacked a few episodes back? We never found out if they were hosts or guests

One *very* interesting thing about the latest episode to me was the scene between Dolores and Ford.

Dolores asks Ford if they're friends and Ford replies really quite bitterly "No. Not at all. In fact quite the opposite". But Anthony Hopkins added such emotion to that scene that I think I actually saw his eyes well up during the reading of those lines.

Which makes me wonder.... could there have been some sort of love triangle between Dolores, Ford and Arnold? Which resulted in Dolores choosing Arnold over Ford?

That could explain why Ford goes out of his way to advise his employees and guests not to form emotional attachments to the host's - because he himself did once and he got burnt for it. It could also hint at the possibility that he might have been so consumed by jealousy that he offed Arnold and trapped Dolores into a loop of suffering where she constantly gets kidnapped and raped.

As for the Man in Black, I think there is a genuine possibilty he could be William. Until William interacts with either Man in Black, Ford, Bernard or any of the other "current timeline" characters, I'll be convinced that his storyline is actually taking place 30 years in the past.

But outside of crazy speculation: That scene where Dolores goes full gunslinger mode, genuinely illicited a "Hell yes!" from me. And then that scene with Ford and MIB at the table, such gravitas and fine acting. And then finally that parting shot with Thandie Newton's character.... man, I freakin' love this show.

Great link pal, thanks for highlighting it.

I'm still not 100% convinced, although it does make for an excellent theory- It did remind me of the 'critical failure' thing which I assumed was to do with Arnold and now I'm not so sure.

The scene with Dolores/Ford suggests something happened to do with her and the 'critical failure,' and the fact she's hearing voices in her head means I think there's some sort of ongoing power struggle.

However, doesn't she flash back to the man in black in the barn while she's with William. And it was that that caused her to run off and disrupt her storyline and encounter Wiliam in the wilderness. (As they replaced her original father yet he'd left something for her. And all the staff in the 'present' are working on him.)

It makes everything a bit overly complicated imo and would need some serious exposition to make it work. Although I have to admit it is making me question literally everything.

Not sure if she flashes back to the MiB after she is with William (that would obviously put an end to the Two Time Period theory) but her meeting up with William and Logan is what initially made me doubt the theory.

I think IIRC we see her attacked at her Farm and she flashes back to the MiB she then escapes the farm and the next time we see her is when she stumbles into Williams camp.

But if they are being deceptive with the editing then those two scenes may not be connected. She arrives at the camp but this is after a different attack on the farm to the one we just saw.

We've also been told that Dolores has played other roles than that of the Ranchers daughter. Were these roles in between two stints as the Ranchers daughter or were they before she took on the role. She's certainly had flashbacks to a different role (some of which I'm pretty sure were when she was with William).


So at the moment I'm willing to go along with the idea of the TTP theory but I'm still not 100% convinced it's correct.

Even if the TTP theory is correct the idea of the MiB being an older William goes against what we've been told/seen so if he actually is one of the two he has to be Logan.

Does William die in the Park possibly saving Logan's life which makes Logan

1. a better person in the real world.
2. Obsessed with some secret at the heart of Westworld.

A very very interesting episode this week, totally forgot all about Dolores, William and Logan until AFTER the episode had actually ended, it was that engrossing.

Right so,
- It was confirmed that the little boy in the desert with Ford is in fact, a host version of Ford himself, proving that despite what he says, he is in fact, the sentimental type, proving there's more to his character than was previously being let on.

- When Bernard went snooping around in the basement, we saw not only the Gunslinger from the Westworld movie (in what I can only imagine was nothing more than a cheeky wink to the audience), but also an "old" Westworld logo, which had only previously been on this show once before - William and Logan's introduction scene in Episode 2 when they arrived at the facility. Could this be a confirmation that William and Logan are operating in the past and every other non-host character is operating in the present?

- It was mentioned that Teresa is the one supposedly leaking information of Westworld out of Westworld, however I think there's more to it than that. I think Teresa is being set up by somebody, as surely you wouldn't be so stupid as to leave a very easy way to track yourself? I think it might be Lee, he has a decent motive to wanting to cause chaos in the park and pin it on Teresa so he can take her job. But that's just my theory on it.

- When Ford was walking through the town, he saw the maze on a table and actually seemed both surprised and intrigued by it. Perhaps he doesn't actually know about the maze and now we're in a situation where Dolores + William, the Man in Black and Teddy, AND Ford are all racing towards the same goal? WIth Arnold being at the center of it all?

- The two lab technicians were incredibly stupid to help Maeve give herself what other personality attributes she wanted. Max intelligence? Methinks this could end up in Maeve being the first host to kill a human, and with her loyalty being turned all the way down, it could certainly end in bloodshed in the lab....

Really looking forward to next week, absolutely love this show.

We also had the first glimpse of an elevator access into Westworld - Bernard emerges amid trees, the elevator is roofed with matcing terrain and slides back into the ground as he leaves.

The 'unregistered hosts' (Ford's replica family) were all built by Arnold.

The park has a 'bicameral system' (the internal 'voice of God') that was supposed to be inactive. It has been reactivated, broadcasting to certain hosts - only the early generaion (of the current type) have receivers. The voice in Dolores' head is not 'resident' in her, it comes from 'beyond'... I am reminded of Ep2, with Ford asking the boy if he could 'hear' the non-existent Church Bells he was describing - I wonder if one of the transmitters for the Voice of God happens to be located in that partly buried Church steeple!

Elsie discovered that 'Arnold' had also inexplicably recently used it to modify certain hosts. Arnold may indeed have placed his mind in a host body... maybe he can even move between hosts at will.. unless this system is disabled?

The boy was told to kill his dog by Arnold. The logic he explained, "if it was dead, it couldn't hurt anything anymore" doesn't bode well for the humans.. but the boy is from the 'machanical' generation of hosts, maybe the more advanced current hosts have more sophisticated reasoning, Arnold's voice notwithstanding...

Teddy explained the 'mythology' of the Maze; the man at the heart of it sounds like an 'awake' host (Arnold?) who has managed to shield himself from discovery by the 'unworthy'. Though this is at odds with Bernard's framing it as a 'test' - unless, again, Bernard knows more than he's let on.

I also spotted Yul in the shadows, in his classic 'gunslinger' pose!

Another thing - the MiB is surprised by Teddy's uncharacteristic bad-assedness in the big shootout. A change to his persona that may have come as part of Ford's addition of the Wyatt narrative to his memory - perhaps Teddy is Ford's 'inside man' facilitating the quest for the maze to serve his own ends..

Everybody missing the main reveal in this episode - Ford's "host" father is the same as the old picture of Arnold & Ford. Or at least in Bernard's mind they are the same ... not sure where that leaves us but it is possible Bernard is a host and he simply is programmed to see that likeness and not the "real" Arnold for some unknown reason.

Why do none of the lights work properly in the basement?

Such a good episode, I can't remember the last time I was this engrossed in a series, I need the next episode immediately!

Maeve was played beautifully by Thandie Newton here, the gradual realisation and building to the reveal, I mean totally excellent work. There's a big hint towards a black market for hosts, maybe those that can't afford Westworld, which is something that could be explored in future episodes/seasons, particularly if they're being smuggled out of the park. If Maeve is being tampered with though, would that make her first generation as are they are the only ones to receive the signal?

I was watching for it and the issue I have with the two TTP theory is that Dolores tells William about the 'voices' in her head which matches what is going on in the present park and I'm 99% sure it's Bernard in his 'chats' that tells her about the maze. However, I'm almost convinced that Bernard is a host now, his remark about 'being here forever' was rather pointing toward this imo so those one on ones could have been in the past?

It's all starting to unravel, and each episode we get a little more of a picture of what is going on, and then 20 more questions. I totally love it. Best new debut series for a very long time.

I hate speculating on this show because there's a good chance it might all be completely wrong and everyone is reading far too much into it. Maybe I was scarred by Lost. The Bernard = host replica of Arnold theory is interesting though

That was amazing. Hannibal Lecter has made a (sort of) Jurassic Park full of humans instead of dinosaurs and a consistently naked Thandie Newton just worked out how to become a Terminator (sort of). What's not to like?