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Old 04-10-2016, 10:03
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:53
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It feels a bit generic to me at the moment, which tbh I thought it would be from the trailers.

I doubt it will be ground breaking. Sort of like Time Trax or 7 days.

Will be interesting to see how the time changes work. Seems we already have people who know what the future holds for a while thanks to the diary.
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Old 04-10-2016, 15:00
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The makers of a Spanish show with a similar concept are suing the makers of this show

http://tvline.com/2016/09/27/timeles...io-del-tiempo/
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Old 04-10-2016, 21:30
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The makers of a Spanish show with a similar concept are suing the makers of this show

http://tvline.com/2016/09/27/timeles...io-del-tiempo/
Not seen any of the Spanish show but another very similar thing was Rewind that only got as far as a pilot a couple of years back.

It can be seen here.


Timeless itself was interesting enough to keep me watching for now.
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Old 05-10-2016, 06:22
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Well, this one is going to be another head**** I think, as good as the concept is, there's a few little niggles already, and I've only watched the first episode.

...so when Lucy (the scientist) meets that agent at the facility, the agent specifically says to her something along the lines of "come with me, time is of the essence". Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but the show revolves around time travel, and the stealing of a time machine, so how exactly can time be of the essence? You've actually got all the time in the world.

Then you've got the pod travel; as it appeared, these objects were stationary, and yet they both landed in completely different areas. Furthermore, when they returned to the (now altered) present, the smaller one came straight back to the facility, whilst the other one didn't. It's more than possible you can set a location, but it lacked explanation.

The third niggle is a durational prospect; the other scientists were seen waiting for our trio to return from the past. They were waiting. The trio went out in a time travel machine, so shouldn't their return have been almost instantaneous? It's possible that the events play out in real-time, and that's a concept I can get with (however long you're in the future/past reflects directly on the present per how long you're missing), it however lacked explanation.

And finally, the actual changes. By rights, considering the changes thus far, what's the likelihood of that facility being up and running and in exactly the same state it was in when they first left? Time (for everyone but the trio and the criminals) has changed, and yet nobody in the present seems to be concerned by the fact they're now living in an otherwise alternate reality and could be wiped from existence at any moment.

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Old 05-10-2016, 08:33
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Yes a number of niggles, however show me any TV series & I will find a number of niggles in it. Although this is 'Time Tunnel' & all the similar shows since (& probably before) it is enjoyable & kept my wifes interest, which is something the pretentious 'West World' didn't.
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Old 05-10-2016, 09:14
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If you prescribe to the theory that time travel to the past creates a new time line, then, say, going back to kill Hitler, rather than undoing his deeds and saving millions, you would 'simply' create a new universe in which Hitler wasn't alive. Back in your original universe Hitler would have still run rampage, so you've not fixed things.

.... But would you really care ? You're all snug on your no-Hitler Earth, you've no means of jumping between Universes, so (basically) screw that other place, here on this lovely no-Hitler Earth life is rosy.

Maybe this is what is happening with this show, and the travellers just don't know it. The travellers don't realise that all they need do is let the baddies go off and do their thing cos it won't be affecting our goodies Earth, just creating a new one... and screw those newbies.

(back to ep1)

with them returning to the present and the building is in EXACTLY the same place and how darn unlikely that is - methinks the show prescribes (I like that word) to the time-travel rule that were you to go back, change NOTHING and return, EVERYTHING would be exactly as you left it. And though I disagree with this, I can accept it as a rule the show is using and go with it.
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Old 05-10-2016, 09:42
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with them returning to the present and the building is in EXACTLY the same place and how darn unlikely that is - methinks the show prescribes (I like that word) to the time-travel rule that were you to go back, change NOTHING and return, EVERYTHING would be exactly as you left it.
But that isn't the case with the show, because Lucy has lost a sister, gained a husband/fiancé, a recovered mother, and history (from the perspective of the government officials etc) has been changed.

And though I disagree with this, I can accept it as a rule the show is using and go with it.
I assume you're basing your disagreement on the fact that if someone went back in time, their very being there would alter something (may even be some bacteria in the air) which would ultimately change the future in some small way?
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Old 05-10-2016, 10:29
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But that isn't the case with the show, because Lucy has lost a sister, gained a husband/fiancé, a recovered mother, and history (from the perspective of the government officials etc) has been changed.
I still think my belief holds (that the show views "travel back and change nothing = return to find nothing changed") because what follows from this view is that travel back and change something small = return to find something small has change, rather than return to find EVERYTHING has changed. So we got the sister no longer there but the time travel people were all the same and the building was in the same place and time travel had still be invented and they'd still sent them back at the same time.

I assume you're basing your disagreement on the fact that if someone went back in time, their very being there would alter something (may even be some bacteria in the air) which would ultimately change the future in some small way?
My views is you don't need to change even a molecule for the Earth you then returned to to look v.different to the one you left.

If you went back a billion years, changed NOTHING, no microbe, no molecule, nothing, then went forward a billions years to your original time, the idea EVERYTHING would be identical is stupid. In all those billions of years there would have been trillions upon trillions upon trillions of random events, and believing each and every one of them played out EXACTLY as they did the first time... no, just no.

Even going back 100 years and returning, in those 100 years you've got an incalculable amount of random events needing to play out exactly in order for your return to earth being identical to the Earth you left.

This theory could easily be proven / disproven in tv-land, but no show/film has done is yet.
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Old 05-10-2016, 10:45
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But that isn't the case with the show, because Lucy has lost a sister, gained a husband/fiancé, a recovered mother, and history (from the perspective of the government officials etc) has been changed.
Things did change in the Past though which is why Lucy's life changed.*

- 34 people lived who died originally (only 1 person died who also died in the original timeline)
- The Hindenburg was destroyed by Terrorists (when taking off) rather than in an accident (when landing).

So we have yet to see a trip to the past that makes no changes and if that has any effect on the present.


*Presumably in Ep2 we'll find out about other changes that have happened.
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Old 05-10-2016, 11:27
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If you went back a billion years, changed NOTHING, no microbe, no molecule, nothing, then went forward a billions years to your original time, the idea EVERYTHING would be identical is stupid. In all those billions of years there would have been trillions upon trillions upon trillions of random events, and believing each and every one of them played out EXACTLY as they did the first time... no, just no.
That depends on whether we were traveling forward (back to) the original timeline, or an alternate one. It wouldn't be the original timeline unless everything was the exact same.

Things did change in the Past though which is why Lucy's life changed.
I know that, as mentioned above...

Presumably in Ep2 we'll find out about other changes that have happened.
Well, I for one am going to assume that the soldier guys wife will still be alive at some point; no doubt played by Shantel VanSanten.
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Old 05-10-2016, 11:59
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I wouldn't think about the logic of the show too much - it's all over the place. As soon as the 'bad guys' time-travelled, history should have altered immediately. Technically, the moment before Lucy entered the time machine is the present day as defined by the changes made by the bad guys in the past (as it's already happened). So I sat waiting for an in-show explanation as to why time didn't immediately alter, such as time changes ripple from the point of origin and therefore takes a few moments but the show didn't bother to explain anything. Even Red Dwarf bothered to make that kind of explanation in TimeSlides. But it's rare that shows deal with time travel in an intelligent way - I can only think of 12 Monkeys and Continuum that take a mature, thoughtful approach to it.

That said, it's pretty enjoyable stuff. It felt rushed and probably should have been expanded to a double-length episode to round things out somewhat. As such, the lead character traits were bulldozed in very quickly and didn't feel natural.

But there's potential and enough of it to have me returning for more - but then I'm a sucker for time travel shows.
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:18
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That depends on whether we were traveling forward (back to) the original timeline, or an alternate one. It wouldn't be the original timeline unless everything was the exact same.
Guess that just depends on how the "return journey" works.

Are they going forward in time by the same amount they went back
Or did they in some way tether themselves before going back, like how Fitz latch himself to a line before jumping thru the portal to rescue Simmons, and they return to the original place by reeling in the line.

But if it is the reeling in and TT=newUniverse+newtimeline, then after being reeled in EVERYTHING would be the same.

btw: I'm tweaking my view on the show's rule.

> The affect of a travel in time is limited to things that domino from what is done in the past by the travellers. <

So, the GIguy killing that baddie could be the thing that dominoed into the sister not being born
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So if they do MAJOR things then this will lead to HUGE domino effects, but if they only do minor things, like persuade a lady to name her kid Bob instead of Bill, then the effects will be minor.
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Old 05-10-2016, 13:58
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So, the GIguy killing that baddie could be the thing that dominoed into the sister not being born
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So if they do MAJOR things then this will lead to HUGE domino effects, but if they only do minor things, like persuade a lady to name her kid Bob instead of Bill, then the effects will be minor.
The two men dying (the one shot and the one burnt in the explosion of the Hindenburg would not cause changes due to unborn descendants as they were both part of Flynns group and thus Time travellers and not from 1937.

The changes will be due to the 34 people living who originally died.

Though a German airship being destroyed by American Terrorists rather than an accident on the eve of WWII would play a major part as well.
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Old 05-10-2016, 14:45
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^ thanx for the correction.

The sister's absence was either caused by:
(1) the domino effect of one of the deaths* when the ship exploded on the next (not proper) day
or (2) from some consequence of a bunch of random events unrelated to the crash.

* replace GIJoeshotguy with newpassenger in my previous spoiled thiscouldahappened thing.
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:02
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I enjoyed the opener, but I don't tend to think too deeply about it all.
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:54
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Going back in time to "fix" history isn't exactly the most original concept in the world but I quite enjoyed this. Obviously you have to throw your sense of disbelief out of the window but this was well done and they've clearly spent a lot of money on it.
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Old 08-10-2016, 10:04
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Surprised me by how much I liked it! Can't wait for episode 2. I hope it keeps up its momentum.
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Old 08-10-2016, 11:27
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Yes, I was ready to not like this and pick it apart, but then it got better. Instead of the usual boring trip of brave Americans (and its always Americans) going back in time to fix history (but never the history they **** up) we got a bad guy who may not be so bad, and good guys who are very likely to be dodgy.
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Old 09-10-2016, 20:27
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I really enjoyed the first episode, even if the ship does look like a giant eye

Yes, I was ready to not like this and pick it apart, but then it got better. Instead of the usual boring trip of brave Americans (and its always Americans) going back in time to fix history (but never the history they **** up) we got a bad guy who may not be so bad, and good guys who are very likely to be dodgy.
I agree. I was a little unsure before I watched, but I do like time travel shows so gave it a go. Now I'm intrigued by the maybe not bad bad guy and why did the maybe not good good guys choose Lucy.
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Old 11-10-2016, 12:25
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I really enjoyed the first episode, even if the ship does look like a giant eye


I agree. I was a little unsure before I watched, but I do like time travel shows so gave it a go. Now I'm intrigued by the maybe not bad bad guy and why did the maybe not good good guys choose Lucy.
My guess is he is her son so he won't kill her, somehow he is trying to fix history through her diary she passed on to him. She believes she has to fix reality but who knows if her reality is the original one as people aren't aware of changes.
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Old 11-10-2016, 18:26
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^ and here was me thinking he would be revealed as her father.

Must say I did like the explanation of the no sister.
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Old 11-10-2016, 18:40
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Must say I did like the explanation of the no sister.
Yes it was very logical and helped explain why she existed while her sister didn't.

I still feel the historical stuff feels too generic and not really adding to the show. They could be going back to a theme park for all it makes a different.

But it is good to see that their actions in the past does affect the future.

I was also a little annoyed how the Boss woman just dismissed the time changes. I know she doesn't feel the effects but surely if you are involved with time travel you would have some idea of a reference point so you can tell if things are being changed for good or bad.

Like having a Prime Time Line.
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Old 11-10-2016, 20:47
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^ re: Boss Lady

Methinks she's solely concerned with keeping the major events intact and to hell with any minor differences - the sister being one of those. But her ambivalence (hmm?) about the loss could sow the seed in the traveler3 of "hey, howzabout we do some minor tweaking of our own, I mean, whose gonna know, right"
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Old 11-10-2016, 21:07
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^ re: Boss Lady

Methinks she's solely concerned with keeping the major events intact and to hell with any minor differences - the sister being one of those. But her ambivalence (hmm?) about the loss could sow the seed in the traveler3 of "hey, howzabout we do some minor tweaking of our own, I mean, whose gonna know, right"
Except, from her perspective, nothing has changed, nothing is out of place. If she sent the team back to do something specific, she'd be none the wiser.

If she exists at 20:34, and decides to send the team back to do something, and then arrive back at 21:34 (yeah, they're only gone an hour), the 20:34 version of boss lady no longer exists, so her intentions/actions become irrelevant.
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