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Anastacia and Brendan Cole WILL perform this Saturday
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Heatherbell
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“They have done 2 Latins. They could now be given 2 Ballroom dances.

They could get mid table scores, and if they were in the dance-off, could deserve to get saved.
I think Anastacia did out-dance Melvin in week 2 - as did the judges.

I'm expecting Anastacia to survive the next 2 weeks.”

I disagree . Her routine was rubbish and she was over praised and overmarked .On both her dances .
Melvin's routine was slightly better and he put real effort into it .We'll never know if he could have done it better second time around or if he could pull off a really good routine next week because he unfairly got the bum's rush out the door so that the big star Anastacia could remain in the competition .
Anastacia was in full control of that night , make no mistake about that . She wasn't budging and that was that .
Heatherbell
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I think you mean shadowing...........at least I hope you do! ”

Spoilsport . I preferred "doggy style" .
Anne_Cameron
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by GabeRich:
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As for the 'doing it for charity' remark, that's commendable, but she gets paid the same whether she leaves on week one or stays to the end, so I don't quite understand why that remark was made. I am sure the charity doesn't need her to put herself at risk of further injury for no gain.”

They changed the payments a few years ago - the longer you stay in the competition the more you get paid.
coppertop1
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“I disagree . Her routine was rubbish and she was over praised and overmarked .On both her dances .
Melvin's routine was slightly better and he put real effort into it .We'll never know if he could have done it better second time around or if he could pull off a really good routine next week because he unfairly got the bum's rush out the door so that the big star Anastacia could remain in the competition .
Anastacia was in full control of that night , make no mistake about that . She wasn't budging and that was that .”


Actually what's not being talked about is how poorly Janette served Melvin. That tango

In Greg and Wills tangos the judges had made a point of mentioning the foot gliding along the floor not lifting up, otherwise the dance looks stompy.

Janette was trotting along the floor like a pony. How the hell is a celeb supposed to learn a dance if his pro doesnt the correct technique, they both reminded me of dances with Peter Andre last year and his tendency to trot across the floor.
Ann_Dancer
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“ Spoilsport . I preferred "doggy style" .”

Given it will be Brendan's choreography you might still get that!
coppertop1
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by tallulahula:
“ I really hope you mean dodgy style.....”

No honey I didn't I am afraid I have quite the mucky mind!
coppertop1
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“Given it will be Brendan's choreography you might still get that!”


OH, TELL, have I missed some gossip somewhere?

Is he prone to it?
Monaogg
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“I disagree . Her routine was rubbish and she was over praised and overmarked .On both her dances .
Melvin's routine was slightly better and he put real effort into it .We'll never know if he could have done it better second time around or if he could pull off a really good routine next week because he unfairly got the bum's rush out the door so that the big star Anastacia could remain in the competition .
Anastacia was in full control of that night , make no mistake about that . She wasn't budging and that was that .”

There were more than a few comments about how bad Janette's Tango technique was, before the results show. How things change?
Arcana
04-10-2016
How very accommodating of them. 😶
fatskia
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by luigy39:
“I thought Anastacia had received lower scores from the judges than Melvin did on week
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Melvin and Janette 23
Anastacia and Brendan 22”

I sit corrected!

Thanks!
Menk
04-10-2016
I'm sure we all must have a mental image of what a tear in the scar tissue looks like, and an idea of what it takes to make it heal. This would ideally mean pretty much total rest until the skin has rejoined and gained some strength. Anyone who has had even the smallest surgical incision in this area will know that general housework and lifting is out for a while.

I am really struggling to understand what they have done to her to enable her to continue dancing so shortly after the tear. Every move she makes will have to be made so gingerly in order for the wound not to re-open that surely even a VW will be hugely difficult and uncomfortable for her.
coppertop1
04-10-2016
The skin has not opened!

It's unfortunate the word tear was used.
hilary2329
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Wasn't it originally associated with Children in Need?”

I seem to remember that this was only in series 1 where a percentage of the income from the telephone vote went to CIN but when they announced the next year that this was no longer the case and all the phone call money went to the Beeb I then stopped voting and have only done so again since 3 online votes were free!
hilary2329
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Sports relief was series one, then CIN from series 2 through to series 4? Or 5? - now any residual monies from the phone voting goes to Charity.”

I don't think you will find it does! It all goes to the BBC.
hilary2329
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Just Googled, profits from phone votes from series 1 went to Sports Relief, then to Children in Need from series 2-5.”

I didn't remember 5 years of phone income going to charity but time flies! I have often wondered why they don't do it now?
StrictlyRed
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by hilary2329:
“I don't think you will find it does! It all goes to the BBC.”

No, it quite clearly says on the BBC Strictly website under the voting FAQs, that the money from phone votes doesn't go to the BBC, it goes to charity. I have just looked.
aggs
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by hilary2329:
“I don't think you will find it does! It all goes to the BBC.”

As per the BBC website
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/strictlyc...6-c85b5e5971f1

Quote:
“Does the BBC receive any revenue from the calls?

No. BBC does not receive any revenue. Revenue from the calls (if any) goes to charity.”

Heatherbell
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Actually what's not being talked about is how poorly Janette served Melvin. That tango

In Greg and Wills tangos the judges had made a point of mentioning the foot gliding along the floor not lifting up, otherwise the dance looks stompy.

Janette was trotting along the floor like a pony. How the hell is a celeb supposed to learn a dance if his pro doesnt the correct technique, they both reminded me of dances with Peter Andre last year and his tendency to trot across the floor.”

That's a good point actually .
It all depends on getting the basics right early in the week and clearly Melvin was more focused on completing the routine than on getting the detail right .
I dunno, to me he seemed to be talking himself through it just to get to the end rather than doing it as perfectly as he could . That might be a combination of nerves and bad coaching .
Either way I feel he had more to offer and it's such a pity he's gone .
JaneFinn
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Waltzing doggy style seems to be very much allowed these days, no problem for her at all.
A bit in hold, a bit doggy style no problem.

( there is probably a technical term for doggy style waltzing, I have no idea what it is )”

😄😄😄
Sorry I know we've moved on from this, but just have to say THANKS coppertop! You've cheered up my day no end!

Still chuckling... 😄
washboard
04-10-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“The skin has not opened!

It's unfortunate the word tear was used.”

I agree.

It's also unfortunate that there hasn't been a proper discussion of the way that 'tears' anywhere can vary in severity. If people want a medical example, they can have a look at the BBC's article on birth injuries.

If they want to move away from medical examples, then let's use the analogy of a tear in a dress.

It might be as simple as the hem coming down - you can do a quick emergency fix on that (sellotape works!) and then sort it out later when you have more time.

It might be a tear in a part of the dress which can be fixed, but takes a bit more time. Not ages, but longer than it takes to stick a hem up with a bit of sellotape. Or staples if you're desperate. If you give yourself that time, it can be sorted out. It'll take a bit longer than putting up a hem, but it's not going to take as long as a major repair. Such as...

A rip from one side of the dress to the other. There's a risk that it simply can't be repaired. Ever. Or it might be repairable but take a lot more time and work than the other tears.

Unfortunately - as if often the way of the media and the internet - the discussions seem to be based on polarised assumptions.

It's being presented as either:

- the tear was the equivalent of a hem coming down, and could have been fixed, and should have been fixed, and there was no reason why such a tear would stop anyone competing in a dance off; or

- the tear was the equivalent of a rip from one side of the dress to the other. It may never be fixed. Such a tear could mean that the person might never, ever, ever dance again - and certainly not within a few days. They should never dance again, and certainly not on Strictly, where other people might see them.

It sounds like it was a tear which fell between those two extremes - too much to fix in the short time available on the results show. But not that big that it can't be fixed over a couple of days - especially if you don't put as much stress on the fabric.

Being in hold puts less stress on the fabric than being hauled around in 'great lifts'.
Heatherbell
05-10-2016
Originally Posted by washboard:
“I agree.

It's also unfortunate that there hasn't been a proper discussion of the way that 'tears' anywhere can vary in severity. If people want a medical example, they can have a look at the BBC's article on birth injuries.

If they want to move away from medical examples, then let's use the analogy of a tear in a dress.

It might be as simple as the hem coming down - you can do a quick emergency fix on that (sellotape works!) and then sort it out later when you have more time.

It might be a tear in a part of the dress which can be fixed, but takes a bit more time. Not ages, but longer than it takes to stick a hem up with a bit of sellotape. Or staples if you're desperate. If you give yourself that time, it can be sorted out. It'll take a bit longer than putting up a hem, but it's not going to take as long as a major repair. Such as...

A rip from one side of the dress to the other. There's a risk that it simply can't be repaired. Ever. Or it might be repairable but take a lot more time and work than the other tears.

Unfortunately - as if often the way of the media and the internet - the discussions seem to be based on polarised assumptions.

It's being presented as either:

- the tear was the equivalent of a hem coming down, and could have been fixed, and should have been fixed, and there was no reason why such a tear would stop anyone competing in a dance off; or

- the tear was the equivalent of a rip from one side of the dress to the other. It may never be fixed. Such a tear could mean that the person might never, ever, ever dance again - and certainly not within a few days. They should never dance again, and certainly not on Strictly, where other people might see them.

It sounds like it was a tear which fell between those two extremes - too much to fix in the short time available on the results show. But not that big that it can't be fixed over a couple of days - especially if you don't put as much stress on the fabric.

Being in hold puts less stress on the fabric than being hauled around in 'great lifts'.”

Even in hold such an injury must surely be at risk in a VW . That intense leaning back the ladies need to do is flippin hard to maintain (I tried it. Don't ask) . Then all that twirling . If she gets dizzy and totters off her spiky heels and Brendan needs to grab her hard under the armpits ? Actually she did nearly fall over when spinning in her first dance and Brendan had to grab her to prevent her falling .
Oh dear, this could be a mess , even dumbed down .
washboard
05-10-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Even in hold such an injury must surely be at risk in a VW . That intense leaning back the ladies need to do is flippin hard to maintain (I tried it. Don't ask) . Then all that twirling . If she gets dizzy and totters off her spiky heels and Brendan needs to grab her hard under the armpits ? Actually she did nearly fall over when spinning in her first dance and Brendan had to grab her to prevent her falling .
Oh dear, this could be a mess , even dumbed down .”

Or it might be fine.

After all, you or I or any of the other posters could get out of bed tomorrow, but get tangled in the duvet, and fall down on the floor. And lie there slightly winded but glad to have survived, and then see a spider scuttling towards you. And be so freaked out by the fact that you were being attacked by a spider that you tried to escape the confines of the duvet, and pull a muscle, and be at the mercy of the spider ...

Or it might be fine. You get out of bed without any problems.

And then decide not to have breakfast. But not having breakfast could have an effect on your metabolism. Which could lead to you eating three packets of salt and vinegar square crisps mid-morning. Causing your colleagues to glower at you because they're trying to hear a phone caller over the noise of the crunching. Not to mention the health implications of eating three packets of square crisps in one sitting.

Or it might be fine.

Back to Anastacia's dance.

It might be fine. It might have none of the issues that are worrying you.

If you genuinely fear that something might happen, don't watch it. Rather than asking the participants not to do it.

I do sympathise with anyone who is genuinely traumatised by triggers from their own life.

I haven't watched any televised cycling since I saw Annemiek van Vleuten's horrific crash during the live Olympics coverage. Yet, having read her interview with the BBC, she has coped with the incident far better than I did.

That makes it my issue, my problem - not hers. The same holds true for the SCD situation.

Anyone who isn't genuinely traumatised, and is just doing the internet equivalent of bumping their gums for their own reasons and agendas, needs to have a long hard look at themselves; probably won't do that; and folks will say 'such is life' or similar.
Paace
05-10-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“The skin has not opened!

It's unfortunate the word tear was used.”

How do you know ? The word tear was used by her doctor "The doctor again confirmed that there was a tear in the scar tissue, which although painful is not permanent".
washboard
05-10-2016
Originally Posted by Paace:
“How do you know ? The word tear was used by her doctor "The doctor again confirmed that there was a tear in the scar tissue, which although painful is not permanent".”

Anastacia herself referred to the scar tissue which had torn/opened/been damaged/etc.

Much of this forum's discussion over the past couple of days has been about that particular injury. You've been involved in at least some of those discussions.

Apparently without realising what the injury involved.

It's not skin opening.
Paace
05-10-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Even in hold such an injury must surely be at risk in a VW . That intense leaning back the ladies need to do is flippin hard to maintain (I tried it. Don't ask) . Then all that twirling . If she gets dizzy and totters off her spiky heels and Brendan needs to grab her hard under the armpits ? Actually she did nearly fall over when spinning in her first dance and Brendan had to grab her to prevent her falling .
Oh dear, this could be a mess , even dumbed down .”

And if she gets through the VW what about the following weeks dances ."She was given the all-clear to dance this weekend with the caveat that the routine is carefully choreographed ".
Must Ana be given special treatment and handled with kid gloves by all from now on in .
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