But if its for the well being of the contestant, even if they cannot see it at the time, why would it be brutal and wrong? Anastacia was told on Friday not to dance and she did anyway so her judgement is obviously flawed in this regard so the BBC should of stepped in for her own good.

Liability if Anastacia gets injured again, possibly worse than before. You think she won't hold them at least partially responsible? I am sure they have insurance and such in place, but I am even more sure they do not want to use it or put it to the test. Lets say she does injure herself again (I pray that's not going to be the case), badly, who would be at fault? Herself for being determined to dance despite injury or the BBC for allowing her to dance knowing she has that injury? I'm just saying they are as much at risk here financially and ratings wise if it blows up in their face as she is.

I expect they all signed contracts detailing under which circumstances they are allowed to pull out of the programme. Pulling out on medical grounds will most certainly require a doctors certificate, confirming that the person is indeed unable to dance. Allowing people to pull out just by claiming an injury would be ridiculous.

The rule that is in place ensures that there is time to have any injury examined by a doctor. Why should celebrities be allowed to just walk out of their job without proof? That would be shocking.

We can't avoid discussing her motivations . She made it very public that her fee is going to charity and in the initial aftermath of 'refused-to-dance' night one of the things people berating her got hit with endlessly was " BUT SHE'S DOING IT FOR CHARITY AND IS A SURVIVOR" (sorry for the caps, but it was like that at times) .
If she was an obscure reality show extra doing the show for the money to get a new kitchen she'd not have been given preferential treatment .
That's the truth, unpalatable as some find it .

What annoys me also is the glossing over everything by the producers . Looking at last Sundays show and ITT you would think everything was sweetness and light in SCDland .
We would probably never know about Anastacia's meltdown backstage, Bruno walking off and the long wait for the producers to decide what to do . I bet also Melvin and Janette were secretly fuming at not being given the chance to dance again in the DO .

Very good point .
I can't think what the BBC are playing at . It's not like she fell and took a knee burn that will heal in a few days , a week tops . If the fragile scars tore once in what were def not exceptionally energetic routines then it's only a matter of time before they WILL go again if she continues in the series . Who cops the blame then ?

A specialist passed her fit to dance with modifications to routines. So you not think they are far more qualified to make the judgment call than any of us?

Well that's because a lot of the people who were berating her on the night accused her of doing it all, up to and including faking her injury, for personal financial gain. I'm afraid you can't grope around randomly into your big grab-bag of slagging her off for anything you can get your hands on and then get affronted when people point out it's factually inaccurate.

They can whitewash it all they like , but it will come back to haunt them .
At some point a celeb will claim injury, refuse to dance in the dance off , and still expect their future Strictly journey to be safe and smooth. Because that's how it was with that American woman in 2016 . The excrement will hit the air cooler .

A very few may have done , but her well documented altruism was still the excuse/reason given by many people to justify her being kept in .
It's a dance show, not a fund raiser .

ETA , the grab bag is there and full, if people choose to look in it . But putting fingers in ears and going "la la la la la" won't make the reasons that this was handled badly go away .

Actually, as some money from telephone votes goes to charity it's both.

Anyway that's enough of me tritting and trotting for tonight

People gave it as a reason why they personally like her and want her to continue, just as people are giving it as a reason why they hate her and want her gone. Nobody I'm afraid was using it to build a rational case for why the rules are as they are, or how they should be.

Well, in your preferred scenario, we'll end up
with celebs faking an injury during the first live show, refuse to dance in the DO, and walk away with a nice big pay cheque. No proof required.

It isn't my "preferred scenario" .It's a ridiculous scenario.
In the same way Saturday was a ridiculous scenario.
The BBC think they've pulled off a nice little switcheroo , but it has lessened faith in the honesty and integrity of the whole Strictly experience .
Lesson being , if you are little z-lister hoping to hit the big time in a series where they've signed up a Name then forget it . As soon as you stand toe to toe the producers will keep the Name in at any cost .

You can tell how ridiculous an argument has become when Monkseal's frustration reaches such a level that he engages with posters.

I agree with everything you say!

I'd add:

If Sir David took part, and walked through every week while narrating the dance, chances are he'd get the biggest landslide win ever

I wish this forum had some kind of 'thanks' or 'thumbs up' option. Then I would have thanked all of these posts.

As many times as allowed

^^ This.

And if this ridiculous situation means the ITT blog gets delayed, I'm gonna have a major hissy fit...

No, lesson being even if you are the big name, you are still bound by your contract and forced to keep to one of the most basic rules of employment ( want out? Better have a doctors letter).

It's not a competition. People are being paid to appear on a television show. They have contracts. They cant just walk out whenever they so please.

Well, you came out and had a go at hyperbole and you were trying to do the polemicist over there... but [huge sigh] you went all wonky on the metaphors and similes [scowls at audience]...what?!?! I'm telling it like it is!... [huffs] [scowls] [grimaces]. Not your best effort.

Yah, it was a brave effort. It needed a bit of work on the punctuation - and Len is right, the metaphors and similes didn't quite come off. The smilie was nice - but a bit out of place, yeah? Like Len says, it just wasn't your best effort - but you look gorgeous, and I can't wait to see what you come up with next.

Oooooh, my darling!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!! It was like watching the shower scene in Psycho!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!! [thumps desk] No really!! [stands up and gestures] The dagger was out, and the soundtrack was 'eek, eeek, eeek, eeek eeek'!!!!!! [puts on pouty serious face] No blood-letting before the watershed! [wags finger]. But I loved it!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! [leans back, falls off chair] Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Your agenda was showing, it was all very clunky, very samey - we need to see something different daaahling - and the theme has really been done to the death. The hyperbole needs a lot of work, and polemicism doesn't really fit. A bit of a post disaaaaster, daaaahling. But! I thought your use of smilies was OK, and I could see you trying to work the story.


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POST!

^^^^^^ Exactly.

Parody of the day

Fantastic

It was just Bruno having a diva moment and walking out. maybe he needed an emergency ciggie

As for the rule about falling back on public vote, invented on the spot or not, I think it makes sense. If somebody hurts themselves during training or can't compete for some reason they get one week off, they are not removed from the competition. This one seems similar to me and consistent with it. I think it was a more sensible solution than cornering a contestant and making them to decide to either hurt themselves more or leave. If they told her to leave, I'd be disappointed, but it would be another acceptable solution.

Do you think that Anatacia could have got a doctors note to allow her to withdraw because I reckon she most definitely could have?