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Matt Smith says he wished he had stayed on longer.
I feel the same way I wish he had, his era got seriously dumbed down by these silly series splits and to be honest id rather his Doctor had outlasted Clara.
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Exactly why PC should stay on, hes gonna regret it if he does not.
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First Eccleston, now Matt Smith. What is it with past Doctor's suddenly regretting when they left?
Anyway, for me, as it stands, I was happy for him to go when he did. The only thing was it would have been nice to see him written under a new show runner before he went, as I think he had more potential in the role than he got to show, and could have been a more impactful incarnation with the show in better hands (and maybe had at least one decent story arc series). |
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First Eccleston, now Matt Smith. What is it with past Doctor's suddenly regretting when they left?
Anyway, for me, as it stands, I was happy for him to go when he did. The only thing was it would have been nice to see him written under a new show runner before he went, as I think he had more potential in the role than he got to show, and could have been a more impactful incarnation with the show in better hands (and maybe had at least one decent story arc series). They all regret leaving so soon , because its a fantastic role. |
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I think PC's incarnation was/is plenty impactful, along with some brillaint acting. Which si why there there is great support for him staying.
They all regret leaving so soon , because its a fantastic role. A few die hard Doctor who fans are not enough to make a Doctor popular. The incarnation has to capture the imagination of casual viewers also, which doesn't seem to happening in my opinion. I personally think he's a good actor who does the best possible with what he is given, but I think most of his popularity is amongst some of die hard fans who would watch anyway. Not saying thats all his fanbase, just that I think it's mostly the case, since I don't tend to see much love for the 12th Doctor out and about in the real world. |
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I think most of his popularity is amongst some of die hard fans who would watch anyway. Not saying thats all his fanbase, just that I think it's mostly the case, since I don't tend to see much love for the 12th Doctor out and about in the real world.
As it is polls generally have Capaldi in 3rd place behind Tennant and Smith and ahead of Eccleston irrespective of whether the classic Doctors are included or not which seems pretty popular to me. I'm not sure what the ratings tell you anyway. There are all sorts of reason why ratings go down (and indeed up). It's plainly not a given that the lead actor is the only or even the main reason for it. In any case the drop in UK audience was more than matched by a surge in the USA. Maybe your 'real world' is just a little too small to be used as a reliable guide? |
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it would have been nice to see [Matt Smith] written under a new show runner... as I think he... could have been a more impactful incarnation with the show in better hands
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. Maybe your 'real world' is just a little too small to be used as a reliable guide?
Naturally the people who dont like him dont want him to stay and think he should leave. It was the same with Smith. and all the other doctors, |
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: ITA. Given its mostly positive feedback when PCs says he wants to stay, Id say so.
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Naturally the people who dont like him dont want him to stay and think he should leave. It was the same with Smith. and all the other doctors,
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You say that as if one follows from the other but they clearly don't. Diehard fans who would watch whoever was in the role are not a natural source of popularity for anyone. In fact they are far more likely to be making negative comparisons with their favourites.
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As it is polls generally have Capaldi in 3rd place behind Tennant and Smith and ahead of Eccleston irrespective of whether the classic Doctors are included or not which seems pretty popular to me.
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I'm not sure what the ratings tell you anyway. There are all sorts of reason why ratings go down (and indeed up). It's plainly not a given that the lead actor is the only or even the main reason for it. In any case the drop in UK audience was more than matched by a surge in the USA. Maybe your 'real world' is just a little too small to be used as a reliable guide?
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Alot of fans dont think it would have worked well with Tennant on another year, I do feel David should have tried to match Tom's tenure.
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Alot of fans dont think it would have worked well with Tennant on another year, I do feel David should have tried to match Tom's tenure.
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What body of work have any of them amassed since the 2005 relaunch?
Doctor Who is still an unhealthy thing for someones' career, just as it was for William Hartnell, Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy first time around. No offence. |
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What body of work have any of them amassed since the 2005 relaunch?
Doctor Who is still an unhealthy thing for someones' career, just as it was for William Hartnell, Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy first time around. No offence. Hartnell was obviously not a well man by the time he left. Troughton returned to being a jobbing character actor. Pertwee obviously had Worzel Gummidge. Tom, yeah, not a lot on TV besides the voice work. Peter D: ...Peculiar Practice, Campion, back to All Creatures..., The Last Detective, a few sitcoms...not bad at all! Colin: Mainly Theatre. Sylvester: Ditto. And The Hobbit, of course. (But he doesn't like to talk about it.) Paul: See Troughton. Eccleston: Oh, he's done rather a lot! Tennant: Ditto. Smith: Well received theatre roles, a few films and this royal series coming up. (He's only a youngster! Well, he is to me, anyway...) Don't think things have been going too bad for Billie, Freema, Catherine, Karen, Arthur and Jenna-Victoria Coleman either... eta Oh, and Noel Clarke's done okay too. Shame about John Hurt though. His career has taken a big dive recently. The Curse Of 'New Who'!
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Well, I was talking about Matt Smith, but ratings don't exactly support the support for PC that you keep insisting is there.
A few die hard Doctor who fans are not enough to make a Doctor popular. The incarnation has to capture the imagination of casual viewers also, which doesn't seem to happening in my opinion. I personally think he's a good actor who does the best possible with what he is given, but I think most of his popularity is amongst some of die hard fans who would watch anyway. Not saying thats all his fanbase, just that I think it's mostly the case, since I don't tend to see much love for the 12th Doctor out and about in the real world. |
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Interesting, since your judgement of Torchwood's popularity seems to be a lot more lenient and defensive.
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What body of work have any of them amassed since the 2005 relaunch?
Doctor Who is still an unhealthy thing for someones' career, just as it was for William Hartnell, Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy first time around. No offence. I don't know where you got the impression that Tom Baker's career took a nosedive after Who. He was Sherlock in the Hound of the Baskervilles the following year, and was popular guest on a ton of shows before doing a couple of children's series and then Medics up until 1995. There was something of a hiatus at that point but that was over a decade after leaving Who. Randall and Hopkirk, Monarch of the Glen and of course Little Britain would follow so it';s hard to see Who as a poisoned chalice for him. William Hartnell was already in poor health when he left the show aged 65 and died two years later so he hardly supports your theory. And Sylvester McCoy has always considered himself principally a theatre actor for whom the occasional TV spot of which there have been more than a few is just an occasional bonus. |
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Smith was only young when he started, but he had quite a promising career already. He'd been in Party Animals, secret Diary of a Call girl and some really well received theatre roles. I think k for him career wise staying longer in Who would have been a mistake. If you are ambitious, you want to do things that move your career on to the next stage, not the same thing you were doing when you were basically a couple of years out of university. You also don't want your most defining role to be behind you at the age of 30. I suspect part of the thing with Matt's career is that he's quite quirky in his career choices and some of the gamble's don't pay off. But for the sake of the show, it's obviously better if other actors see former Doctors being successful off the back of it rather than it being seen as some kind of career death.
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I have no desire to go off topic to go through that particular conversation with you again, when I don't need to be 'lenient' or 'defensive' of Torchwood, when it became more and more popular and garnered bigger ratings each time, through those first three series, so nothing to have to defend, except for miracle day, which I don't even try to.
As you were.
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None taken.
Hartnell was obviously not a well man by the time he left. Troughton returned to being a jobbing character actor. Pertwee obviously had Worzel Gummidge. Tom, yeah, not a lot on TV besides the voice work. Peter D: ...Peculiar Practice, Campion, back to All Creatures..., The Last Detective, a few sitcoms...not bad at all! Colin: Mainly Theatre. Sylvester: Ditto. And The Hobbit, of course. (But he doesn't like to talk about it.) Paul: See Troughton. Eccleston: Oh, he's done rather a lot! Tennant: Ditto. Smith: Well received theatre roles, a few films and this royal series coming up. (He's only a youngster! Well, he is to me, anyway...) Don't think things have been going too bad for Billie, Freema, Catherine, Karen, Arthur and Jenna-Victoria Coleman either... eta Oh, and Noel Clarke's done okay too. Shame about John Hurt though. His career has taken a big dive recently. The Curse Of 'New Who'! ![]() |
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