I feel the same way I wish he had, his era got seriously dumbed down by these silly series splits and to be honest id rather his Doctor had outlasted Clara.
Matt Smith says he wished he had stayed on longer.
First Eccleston, now Matt Smith. What is it with past Doctor's suddenly regretting when they left?
Anyway, for me, as it stands, I was happy for him to go when he did. The only thing was it would have been nice to see him written under a new show runner before he went, as I think he had more potential in the role than he got to show, and could have been a more impactful incarnation with the show in better hands (and maybe had at least one decent story arc series).
Anyway, for me, as it stands, I was happy for him to go when he did. The only thing was it would have been nice to see him written under a new show runner before he went, as I think he had more potential in the role than he got to show, and could have been a more impactful incarnation with the show in better hands (and maybe had at least one decent story arc series).
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“First Eccleston, now Matt Smith. What is it with past Doctor's suddenly regretting when they left?
Anyway, for me, as it stands, I was happy for him to go when he did. The only thing was it would have been nice to see him written under a new show runner before he went, as I think he had more potential in the role than he got to show, and could have been a more impactful incarnation with the show in better hands (and maybe had at least one decent story arc series).”
“First Eccleston, now Matt Smith. What is it with past Doctor's suddenly regretting when they left?
Anyway, for me, as it stands, I was happy for him to go when he did. The only thing was it would have been nice to see him written under a new show runner before he went, as I think he had more potential in the role than he got to show, and could have been a more impactful incarnation with the show in better hands (and maybe had at least one decent story arc series).”
I think PC's incarnation was/is plenty impactful, along with some brillaint acting. Which si why there there is great support for him staying.
They all regret leaving so soon , because its a fantastic role.
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“I think PC's incarnation was/is plenty impactful, along with some brillaint acting. Which si why there there is great support for him staying.
They all regret leaving so soon , because its a fantastic role.”
“I think PC's incarnation was/is plenty impactful, along with some brillaint acting. Which si why there there is great support for him staying.
They all regret leaving so soon , because its a fantastic role.”
Well, I was talking about Matt Smith, but ratings don't exactly support the support for PC that you keep insisting is there.
A few die hard Doctor who fans are not enough to make a Doctor popular. The incarnation has to capture the imagination of casual viewers also, which doesn't seem to happening in my opinion.
I personally think he's a good actor who does the best possible with what he is given, but I think most of his popularity is amongst some of die hard fans who would watch anyway. Not saying thats all his fanbase, just that I think it's mostly the case, since I don't tend to see much love for the 12th Doctor out and about in the real world.
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“I think most of his popularity is amongst some of die hard fans who would watch anyway. Not saying thats all his fanbase, just that I think it's mostly the case, since I don't tend to see much love for the 12th Doctor out and about in the real world.”
“I think most of his popularity is amongst some of die hard fans who would watch anyway. Not saying thats all his fanbase, just that I think it's mostly the case, since I don't tend to see much love for the 12th Doctor out and about in the real world.”
You say that as if one follows from the other but they clearly don't. Diehard fans who would watch whoever was in the role are not a natural source of popularity for anyone. In fact they are far more likely to be making negative comparisons with their favourites.
As it is polls generally have Capaldi in 3rd place behind Tennant and Smith and ahead of Eccleston irrespective of whether the classic Doctors are included or not which seems pretty popular to me. I'm not sure what the ratings tell you anyway. There are all sorts of reason why ratings go down (and indeed up). It's plainly not a given that the lead actor is the only or even the main reason for it. In any case the drop in UK audience was more than matched by a surge in the USA. Maybe your 'real world' is just a little too small to be used as a reliable guide?
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“it would have been nice to see [Matt Smith] written under a new show runner... as I think he... could have been a more impactful incarnation with the show in better hands”
“it would have been nice to see [Matt Smith] written under a new show runner... as I think he... could have been a more impactful incarnation with the show in better hands”
Absolutely! I really couldn't express the same sentiment better.
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“. Maybe your 'real world' is just a little too small to be used as a reliable guide?”
“. Maybe your 'real world' is just a little too small to be used as a reliable guide?”
: ITA. Given its mostly positive feedback when PCs says he wants to stay, Id say so.
Naturally the people who dont like him dont want him to stay and think he should leave. It was the same with Smith. and all the other doctors,
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“: ITA. Given its mostly positive feedback when PCs says he wants to stay, Id say so.”
“: ITA. Given its mostly positive feedback when PCs says he wants to stay, Id say so.”
Of course it is, the type of people going to conventions etc are going to be die hard fans cheering on any Doctor. The 12th Doctor isn't exactly my favourite (though I don't dislike him either) but i'd still be excited to meet him and you wouldn't exactly boo someone saying they wanted to stay longer if they were in the room with you.
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“Naturally the people who dont like him dont want him to stay and think he should leave. It was the same with Smith. and all the other doctors,”
“Naturally the people who dont like him dont want him to stay and think he should leave. It was the same with Smith. and all the other doctors,”
I don't dislike him, and have repeatedly said that Capaldi is a good actor and does the very best with the material he has to work with. I just want a fresh face for Chibnall's first series to give the show a chance to be reinvigorated - a thing that won't happen whilst people see the same face at the helm of a show, that, in recent years, has been obviously unappealing to them.
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“You say that as if one follows from the other but they clearly don't. Diehard fans who would watch whoever was in the role are not a natural source of popularity for anyone. In fact they are far more likely to be making negative comparisons with their favourites.”
“You say that as if one follows from the other but they clearly don't. Diehard fans who would watch whoever was in the role are not a natural source of popularity for anyone. In fact they are far more likely to be making negative comparisons with their favourites.”
I wasn't trying to say that all die hard fans are also 12th Doctor fans, just that of the popularity he has, most of it seems to be from sections of the die hard fans moreso than the general public in my opinion.
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“As it is polls generally have Capaldi in 3rd place behind Tennant and Smith and ahead of Eccleston irrespective of whether the classic Doctors are included or not which seems pretty popular to me.”
“As it is polls generally have Capaldi in 3rd place behind Tennant and Smith and ahead of Eccleston irrespective of whether the classic Doctors are included or not which seems pretty popular to me.”
Well firstly, most polls tend to have Tennant and Tom Baker in the top two positions from what i've seen, not Tennant and Smith, and secondly, it's pretty common for people to get a boost in these sorts of polls when they are the current person in the role. It happens with companions too. The real test is when you haven't been the Doctor/companion for some years and you still poll high, like the likes of Tom Baker, David Tennant Elisabeth Sladen, and Billie Piper.
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“ I'm not sure what the ratings tell you anyway. There are all sorts of reason why ratings go down (and indeed up). It's plainly not a given that the lead actor is the only or even the main reason for it. In any case the drop in UK audience was more than matched by a surge in the USA. Maybe your 'real world' is just a little too small to be used as a reliable guide?”
“ I'm not sure what the ratings tell you anyway. There are all sorts of reason why ratings go down (and indeed up). It's plainly not a given that the lead actor is the only or even the main reason for it. In any case the drop in UK audience was more than matched by a surge in the USA. Maybe your 'real world' is just a little too small to be used as a reliable guide?”
I'll take what I see and hear every day (which is mostly not much about who these days from other people, since there doesn't seem to be much interest at this time) than assertions from an little internet forum any day.
Alot of fans dont think it would have worked well with Tennant on another year, I do feel David should have tried to match Tom's tenure.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Alot of fans dont think it would have worked well with Tennant on another year, I do feel David should have tried to match Tom's tenure.”
“Alot of fans dont think it would have worked well with Tennant on another year, I do feel David should have tried to match Tom's tenure.”
I think DT should have stayed another yr at least, as with SMmith. Hope Capaldi begins a precedant and stays past 3 yrs.
What body of work have any of them amassed since the 2005 relaunch?
Doctor Who is still an unhealthy thing for someones' career, just as it was for William Hartnell, Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy first time around.
No offence.
Doctor Who is still an unhealthy thing for someones' career, just as it was for William Hartnell, Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy first time around.
No offence.
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“What body of work have any of them amassed since the 2005 relaunch?
Doctor Who is still an unhealthy thing for someones' career, just as it was for William Hartnell, Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy first time around.
No offence.”
“What body of work have any of them amassed since the 2005 relaunch?
Doctor Who is still an unhealthy thing for someones' career, just as it was for William Hartnell, Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy first time around.
No offence.”
None taken.
Hartnell was obviously not a well man by the time he left.
Troughton returned to being a jobbing character actor.
Pertwee obviously had Worzel Gummidge.
Tom, yeah, not a lot on TV besides the voice work.
Peter D: ...Peculiar Practice, Campion, back to All Creatures..., The Last Detective,
a few sitcoms...not bad at all!
Colin: Mainly Theatre.
Sylvester: Ditto. And The Hobbit, of course. (But he doesn't like to talk about it.)
Paul: See Troughton.
Eccleston: Oh, he's done rather a lot!
Tennant: Ditto.
Smith: Well received theatre roles, a few films and this royal series coming up. (He's only a youngster! Well, he is to me, anyway...)
Don't think things have been going too bad for Billie, Freema, Catherine, Karen, Arthur and Jenna-Victoria Coleman either...
eta Oh, and Noel Clarke's done okay too. Shame about John Hurt though. His career has taken a big dive recently. The Curse Of 'New Who'!
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“Well, I was talking about Matt Smith, but ratings don't exactly support the support for PC that you keep insisting is there.
A few die hard Doctor who fans are not enough to make a Doctor popular. The incarnation has to capture the imagination of casual viewers also, which doesn't seem to happening in my opinion.
I personally think he's a good actor who does the best possible with what he is given, but I think most of his popularity is amongst some of die hard fans who would watch anyway. Not saying thats all his fanbase, just that I think it's mostly the case, since I don't tend to see much love for the 12th Doctor out and about in the real world.”
“Well, I was talking about Matt Smith, but ratings don't exactly support the support for PC that you keep insisting is there.
A few die hard Doctor who fans are not enough to make a Doctor popular. The incarnation has to capture the imagination of casual viewers also, which doesn't seem to happening in my opinion.
I personally think he's a good actor who does the best possible with what he is given, but I think most of his popularity is amongst some of die hard fans who would watch anyway. Not saying thats all his fanbase, just that I think it's mostly the case, since I don't tend to see much love for the 12th Doctor out and about in the real world.”
Interesting, since your judgement of Torchwood's popularity seems to be a lot more lenient and defensive.
Originally Posted by Lord Smexy:
“Interesting, since your judgement of Torchwood's popularity seems to be a lot more lenient and defensive.”
“Interesting, since your judgement of Torchwood's popularity seems to be a lot more lenient and defensive.”
I have no desire to go off topic to go through that particular conversation with you again, when I don't need to be 'lenient' or 'defensive' of Torchwood, when it became more and more popular and garnered bigger ratings each time, through those first three series, so nothing to have to defend, except for miracle day, which I don't even try to.
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“What body of work have any of them amassed since the 2005 relaunch?
Doctor Who is still an unhealthy thing for someones' career, just as it was for William Hartnell, Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy first time around.
No offence.”
“What body of work have any of them amassed since the 2005 relaunch?
Doctor Who is still an unhealthy thing for someones' career, just as it was for William Hartnell, Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy first time around.
No offence.”
Didn't do Eccleston any harm! Heroes and Leftovers alone would be a good cv but he's hardly been out of work. Tennant's really not done that bad either with three series of Broadchurch, Gracepoint and Jessica Jones to add to a highly rated stint in Shakespeare. If Smith has struggled more it's probably because he didn't really have much in the bag when he took on the role unlike Eccleston who was in everything (or so it seemed) and Tennant who had done Cassanova.
I don't know where you got the impression that Tom Baker's career took a nosedive after Who. He was Sherlock in the Hound of the Baskervilles the following year, and was popular guest on a ton of shows before doing a couple of children's series and then Medics up until 1995. There was something of a hiatus at that point but that was over a decade after leaving Who. Randall and Hopkirk, Monarch of the Glen and of course Little Britain would follow so it';s hard to see Who as a poisoned chalice for him.
William Hartnell was already in poor health when he left the show aged 65 and died two years later so he hardly supports your theory. And Sylvester McCoy has always considered himself principally a theatre actor for whom the occasional TV spot of which there have been more than a few is just an occasional bonus.
Smith was only young when he started, but he had quite a promising career already. He'd been in Party Animals, secret Diary of a Call girl and some really well received theatre roles. I think k for him career wise staying longer in Who would have been a mistake. If you are ambitious, you want to do things that move your career on to the next stage, not the same thing you were doing when you were basically a couple of years out of university. You also don't want your most defining role to be behind you at the age of 30. I suspect part of the thing with Matt's career is that he's quite quirky in his career choices and some of the gamble's don't pay off. But for the sake of the show, it's obviously better if other actors see former Doctors being successful off the back of it rather than it being seen as some kind of career death.
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“I have no desire to go off topic to go through that particular conversation with you again, when I don't need to be 'lenient' or 'defensive' of Torchwood, when it became more and more popular and garnered bigger ratings each time, through those first three series, so nothing to have to defend, except for miracle day, which I don't even try to.”
“I have no desire to go off topic to go through that particular conversation with you again, when I don't need to be 'lenient' or 'defensive' of Torchwood, when it became more and more popular and garnered bigger ratings each time, through those first three series, so nothing to have to defend, except for miracle day, which I don't even try to.”
Just an observation I made. Similar cases could be made for Capaldi, but of course, you never want to hear it.
As you were.
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
“None taken.
Hartnell was obviously not a well man by the time he left.
Troughton returned to being a jobbing character actor.
Pertwee obviously had Worzel Gummidge.
Tom, yeah, not a lot on TV besides the voice work.
Peter D: ...Peculiar Practice, Campion, back to All Creatures..., The Last Detective,
a few sitcoms...not bad at all!
Colin: Mainly Theatre.
Sylvester: Ditto. And The Hobbit, of course. (But he doesn't like to talk about it.)
Paul: See Troughton.
Eccleston: Oh, he's done rather a lot!
Tennant: Ditto.
Smith: Well received theatre roles, a few films and this royal series coming up. (He's only a youngster! Well, he is to me, anyway...)
Don't think things have been going too bad for Billie, Freema, Catherine, Karen, Arthur and Jenna-Victoria Coleman either...
eta Oh, and Noel Clarke's done okay too. Shame about John Hurt though. His career has taken a big dive recently. The Curse Of 'New Who'!”
“None taken.
Hartnell was obviously not a well man by the time he left.
Troughton returned to being a jobbing character actor.
Pertwee obviously had Worzel Gummidge.
Tom, yeah, not a lot on TV besides the voice work.
Peter D: ...Peculiar Practice, Campion, back to All Creatures..., The Last Detective,
a few sitcoms...not bad at all!
Colin: Mainly Theatre.
Sylvester: Ditto. And The Hobbit, of course. (But he doesn't like to talk about it.)
Paul: See Troughton.
Eccleston: Oh, he's done rather a lot!
Tennant: Ditto.
Smith: Well received theatre roles, a few films and this royal series coming up. (He's only a youngster! Well, he is to me, anyway...)
Don't think things have been going too bad for Billie, Freema, Catherine, Karen, Arthur and Jenna-Victoria Coleman either...
eta Oh, and Noel Clarke's done okay too. Shame about John Hurt though. His career has taken a big dive recently. The Curse Of 'New Who'!
”
John Hurt shouldnt have been in Who anyway. Fans were pretty happy to have Paul McGann as the War Doctor but Steven Moffatt decided he wanted to be the one to solve the regeneration limit.
