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EE loving watching jane suffer
She deserves absolutely everything she gets the sociopathic witch, i've that ian just forgave her straight away after finding out what she did it was absolutely ridiculous and a sign of thing to come from dtc. The way that ian seen lucy as the 'one' only for him to allow her memory to be forgotten was a joke, peter is the only one with any credit out of the beales he couldn't stand by and watch it if he had stayed he would have cracked and told the truth i think because he loved lucy too much.
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I agree. But I wish she'd just die now. They are trying to make us forget it it's not working. no sympathy for her whatsoever
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I'm in the minority but I still like Jane.
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I don't mind her either.
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I'm in the minority but I still like Jane.
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Is Jane in a wheelchair for life or can she get better? I can't remember.
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Is Jane in a wheelchair for life or can she get better? I can't remember.
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I am glad they did this to her and didn't just make her return to normal in a matter of months. It's realistic and realism isn't a strength of EastEnders these days.
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Few things make me happier than seeing the nasty sociopath utterly miserable, in a pile of urine and spilt jaffa cakes.
Hopefully SOC will have her pay for her crimes. |
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Is Jane in a wheelchair for life or can she get better? I can't remember.
Utterly loathsome & irredeemable. |
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I don't think I'd go so far as to say I'm enjoying watching it but I certainly don't feel the sympathy I think we are supposed to.
As a humanitarian I know that I should feel for anybody in that position but I'm afraid i just can't forget what she did to Lucy, to everybody that grieved for her and went through months of hell not knowing the truth, to everybody that was a suspect, to those people that served time (Jake as well as Max), to the people she pressured to keep quiet, even to Bobby himself who just might not have continued down his destructive path and ended up in detention if he'd confessed at the time and got the help he needed re analysis and counselling as well as punishment. Also, whilst of course I don't underestimate how dreadful her injuries are, many others cope with much, much worse with less help and with better grace. She has people around her trying to integrate her completely into the family, moving her to the lounge rather than just leaving her in her room constantly which can happen - especially if somebody can only be moved using a hoist which requires 2 carers. Ian is staying in the same room as her, many spouses will stay in the former bedroom upstairs. She has loads of visitors coming to try and cheer her up, and willing to take her out. Ian is doing his best to continue to be a husband as well as the Caring aspect and it is hard on him too. But she sits there, interfering (like with Grant and Mark) and when Steven makes a perfectly valid point about access and that they might need the table for paying customers, she goes off on one. Okay, we know that Steven doesn't want her too involved in case she sees he is fiddling the books, but his point re fire regulations and keeping gangway clear was still valid. I just think we're meant to think that she has paid the price for her part in the Lucy storyline by losing Bobby and ending up partially paralysed so should now be seen as sympathetic and likeable again but for me it just is,'t enough. I want her part i it publicly revealed so the community despise her and I want her to spend time in Prison - wheelchair or no wheelchair. Doesn't mean i don't think Brett is a fantastic actress but Jane is irredeemable for me. |
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I think these things tend to be more of a grey area than that, one day at a time, paralysis can be temporary in these types of cases. I think that was said at some point, take it day-by-day and there may or may not be improvements.
She clearly can weight bear in some form or she wouldn't be able to get from the bed to the chair and back, even with assistance. They don't seem to be using hoists at all. One arm is mobile now. So, i think it will take time but she will finally recover. |
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Jane clearly isn't a sociopath and to call her one is just ridiculous.
She made a huge mistake, that is true, she acted in the spur of a crazy moment, the pressure was on and she had to act/think quickly. For all her faults in the Lucy aftermath her intentions were good and came from a place of wanting to protect her family and her son. Characters in the past have done far, far worse, like Janine (who is much closer to a sociopath than Jane) yet she is loved, forgiven and thought of fondly. It's utterly bizarre how people are treating Jane like Hitler when in reality someone like Janine (who has actually murdered people) is liked. I'm not saying people have to like her, she is actually quite dull, she always has been, but to call her sociopath and hold her to account for her past sins (when no other soap character is) is just weird. |
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That's a matter of perspective though. I don't think that her reasons were just looking after her family as arguably her family (Ian, Peter, Cindy) would have suffered much less by not having their loved one found on a Common and be the subject of a Police investigation which was inevitable.
At nest she was thinking only of Bobby and i don't even think that was purely altruistic - I think it was as much because she didn't want to lose her child for her sake than his. There was that line in the live episode "If i let him confess he'd be taken away from me, if I took the blame, i'd be taken away from him" - the prime motivation was them not losing each other by one or other being punished. But, that split second decision i can just about understand and forgive. Butt the months afterwards. She insisted that if it got to the stage of somebody being charged she would confess to it but she didn't - not when Jake was charged, not when Max was. I do judge other characters by their past actions, not just Jane. A character like Janine is different because she is portrayed as, at best, an anti hero, more often a villain. We are not supposed to approve of her behaviour or see her as a 'goodie' even though she can sometimes be sympathetic. It's the same with characters like Phil, Ian, Max. That makes a big difference to me re how harshly they are judged. We, the audience don't need to take offence as much because characters within the show do i they express their dislike and disapproval, we tend to see them punished quite frequently by losing relationships, money, going to Prison. Janine has never been given a clean slate - her past crimes are constantly brought up. Jane has, through nearly all of it, been portrayed as somebody we should like, sympathise with and understand why she did it "any loving Mother would have done the same" attitude and for many, like me, that rankles. As they think any loving Mother, or decent human being, would have done the right thing for everybody, including the child killer, and called an Ambulance and the Police, let alone proceed to hide the truth and even keep back evidence so somebody cold be framed and threatened people over it. |
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I don't have any sympathy for Jane or Ian but at the same time when Jane had her accident at the pub i did empathise with her a little bit as that would have been humiliating to have it happen in a public place like that and I'd feel the same about anyone who had it happen to them. Other than that I can't forget what they did in a hurry.
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the accident in the pub is part of her brain injury, apparently she has also lost control of her bladder, which can happen in brain patients. I think she should be wearing an adult diaper/nappy at all times. While I normally feel empathy for those with impairments, in her case, I find it hard, as she brought it on herself.
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Mick ought to bar the sociopath. I know he's deeply stupid, but surely even he could manage that.
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The Moving Lucy to protect Bobby from finding out I can get around but putting the wedge between Cindy and Beth and that whole taking Beth of her and force her to live as her sister was utterly disgusting. Before the honeymoon they took Bobby and Beth on Cindy was fine with Beth. That time Jane demanded they took Beth was the issue between Beth and Cindy.
Then willing to see Jake, Max AND Ben all go down and expecting everyone who discovered her secret to keep quiet was utterly scummy. She deserves prison and a slow and painful death inside. Kill her off so that nasty sociath can never return. |
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Mick ought to bar the sociopath. I know he's deeply stupid, but surely even he could manage that.
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There's something strangely pleasing about it. Like watching a Tarantino flick.
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The Beales have been on a downward spiral ever since the Bobby/Lucy cover up. They are a legacy family, but so much of their allure has diminished. Kathy hasn't been tainted so much as she returned months after the reveal and they're still trying to figure out a fuller direction for her. But Ian and Jane have taken a really bad hit. The way they just let Max rot in prison for months (and the Mitchells were just as bad) was one of the most repulsive things I ever witnessed on EE.
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I think Max will return with a half hearted revenge, then they'll have a group hug, go to the Vic for a nice cold pint and wait for all of it to blow over. How's that for a slice of fried gold?
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the accident in the pub is part of her brain injury, apparently she has also lost control of her bladder, which can happen in brain patients. I think she should be wearing an adult diaper/nappy at all times. While I normally feel empathy for those with impairments, in her case, I find it hard, as she brought it on herself.
I think she is wearing pads. Lauren made a comment about the house smelling of nappies and incontinence pads when talking to Whitney a couple of weeks ago. And in all honesty, even if there is a commode in the bedroom (which i assume there must be), Ian might not be able to get her onto it from her wheelchair, sofa, bed in time even if she feels it coming. That's assuming they don't need to use a hoist. So pads must be informed. Having nursed somebody with double incontinence, even when heavy pads are used, it doesn't ensure accidents won't happen. There can just be too much flow for one to be able to cope with, or it can seep out so accidents like that will happen. The only sure way of preventing it, with somebody as immobile as Jane is a catheter but that brings a whole host of other problems and is to be avoided if at all possible. Also, just as embarrassing, at least for a woman. Easier to hide for a man wearing one with a day bag. Again I've had experience with both. Sorry it that was too much details for some. |
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Can't say I'm feeling sorry for her. all her own fault. hope she remains in a wheel chair too.
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No sympathy and I hopr she continues to suffer, I would also like to see Ian suffer as well.
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