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Old 26-12-2016, 23:20
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I don't personally think that The Doctor was side lined in this story or relying on someone else to save the day. He was doing all the investigating and working things out and improvising (with the help of Nardole) and had many scenes with Grant at various stages of his life. 'The Ghost' didn't really do that much involving the invasion plot apart from looking to protect Lucy and the baby.

Okay, he stopped the spaceship/bomb landing on New York with the super powers the Doctor had accidentally given him, but only because The Doctor had managed to aim said spaceship/bomb in his general direction!

And I've just read the above paragraph before posting and realised yet again how much I enjoy this often bonkers programme!!
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Old 26-12-2016, 23:20
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I gave up watching with Mel. Maybe time for a one season break.
Or maybe Bill will be nothing like Mel.

The poster you quoted has no idea what she will actually be like, you know. Maybe you could find out for yourself if you watched? Just a thought....
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Old 26-12-2016, 23:23
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I don't personally think that The Doctor was side lined in this story or relying on someone else to save the day. He was doing all the investigating and working things out and improvising (with the help of Nardole) and had many scenes with Grant at various stages of his life. 'The Ghost' didn't really do that much involving the invasion plot apart from looking to protect Lucy and the baby.

Okay, he stopped the spaceship/bomb landing on New York with the super powers the Doctor had accidentally given him, but only because The Doctor had managed to aim said spaceship/bomb in his general direction!

And I've just read the above paragraph before posting and realised yet again how much I enjoy this often bonkers programme!!
You're right. He wasn't.
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Old 26-12-2016, 23:35
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That was already explained, by watching her whole story. He had to let it happen because he'd already seen it happen. The other point is, had he tried to stop her going, it would likely be some universe ending paradox because if she hadn't been there to sacrifice herself in the library, it was made pretty clear that the Doctor was going to do it himself and had no chance of survival. That would mean he would have died there as the 10th Doctor, so River (a child conceived in the TARDIS and whose whole life was shaped by the Doctor's life) would have never existed, but if all that had happened then he wouldn't have been there in his 12th incarnation with River in the first place to warn her.
The fans might know this, but I doubt if the majority of the viewers will! It's getting a bit like the mid 80's, being written with the fan in mind. That was fine for the 'Missing Adventures' but not for a mainstream audience.
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Old 27-12-2016, 00:42
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Well I liked it!
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Old 27-12-2016, 04:06
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On a somewhat unrelated note, maybe now it's aired we could get the Series 9 soundtrack. My presumption for some time has been that they were waiting for this episode to air (so as to include it), then would release ahead of Series 10 to ride off the promotional exposure.
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Old 27-12-2016, 08:18
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Did I enjoy the episode. Yes I did.

Strange why the opening sequence didn't have snow in it like last years Christmas episode did.

Nice to have of got a series 10 trailer my god do we deserve it.
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Old 27-12-2016, 10:18
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If The Doctor isn't the most interesting character on-screen at any given time then he's not being written properly.
I can't agree with this; what you're asking for would be (a) impossible, and (b) ultimately fatiguing. It's the contrast that makes it work.
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Old 27-12-2016, 10:52
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I'm thinking of guff like The Impossible Girl, Danny Pink soap-opera, River bloody Song etc. I'm not watching this for the supporting characters - If The Doctor isn't the most interesting character on-screen at any given time then he's not being written properly.
Amazingly, people do like watching Doctor Who for the supporting characters. If it was all just the Doctor on screen for 45 minutes, then it would the most one-note and positively dull show ever made. Oh wait, that was Heaven Sent....

But as I was saying, supporting characters flesh out the Doctor, change the way he interacts. It all works around that.

For me, the companions are the far more interesting character. They are our window into the world of travelling in space and time. The Doctor isn't.
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Old 27-12-2016, 12:10
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I liked it. It struck the right tone for a Christmas special. I hope SM's final season continues in the same vein, just a little more seriously.
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Old 27-12-2016, 12:10
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I'm not having that in my house, no way.
Yeah women should just know their place, right? Wow. The 1850s called - they're asking for you to come back.

As much as I hold your comment in contempt for what it must mean re. your attitude towards women in real life, I agree insofar as the companions in Who have become irritating. You can be a strongminded woman without being as know it all as they come across.
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Old 27-12-2016, 12:12
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I found it boring. I fell alseep. When i woke up i couldn't be bothered to go back and see what I missed. I think me and the Dr are going our separate ways. It's just not fun to watch anymore. More like a chore. It shouldn't be like that.
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Old 27-12-2016, 16:48
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I enjoyed it. The baddies were far less interesting than the storyline of 'superman and Lois Lane' running at the same time. The actors were fun and interesting. Wouldn't mind either returning to a later episode. The bit that almost lost me was the eating Chinese food listening in to the baddies, just made him look barmy !
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Old 27-12-2016, 16:55
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Well I liked it!
So did I. It was fun.
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:24
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Me and my son quite enjoyed this episode. Not the best but still enjoyable
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:25
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AI of 82. Same as last year (and the year before) and in line with Series 9 as a whole.
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Old 27-12-2016, 18:17
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Thanks for the poll Brandon!
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Old 27-12-2016, 19:56
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Amazingly, people do like watching Doctor Who for the supporting characters. If it was all just the Doctor on screen for 45 minutes, then it would the most one-note and positively dull show ever made. Oh wait, that was Heaven Sent....

But as I was saying, supporting characters flesh out the Doctor, change the way he interacts. It all works around that.

For me, the companions are the far more interesting character. They are our window into the world of travelling in space and time. The Doctor isn't.
Maybe for you, but everyone I know just wants to see believable, reasonable companions, 'normal' people, human or not, who complement the Doctor, not what we've been getting recently, with the Doctor the most important person around and thingsr revolving around him as he does stuff with a little help from his friends.
Otherwise it may just as well be called The Adventures of Amy/Clara/whoever and that Bloke with the Blue Box.
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Old 27-12-2016, 20:16
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The fans might know this, but I doubt if the majority of the viewers will! It's getting a bit like the mid 80's, being written with the fan in mind. That was fine for the 'Missing Adventures' but not for a mainstream audience.
Not when she pretty much re-iterated things in the episode when she talked about she had heard people talk that the two of them at derillium was there final meeting, and they had the Doctor looking appropriately sad at the right moments to confirm it.

It was, admittedly, towards the end, a finale to a years long River arc (though before that most of it was a standalone, fun, Doctor and River story) , but it was actually a time where Moffat delivered a payoff to an arc that was as appropriately as good as the set up - something which I personally can't say the same for any of his in series arcs.

Besides I think things like expecting people to know who rassilon is, or a cloister bell or the brigadier without any or little explanation is way worse an expectation of viewers than expecting them to know about a character who's story has played out in the last few years.

For me, i'd say Moffat painting himself into a corner of having to give explanations for all the stuff he hadn't explained from the Moffat era was worse for the casual viewer than anything that happened in The Husbands or Rover Song.

Maybe for you, but everyone I know just wants to see believable, reasonable companions, 'normal' people, human or not, who complement the Doctor, not what we've been getting recently, with the Doctor the most important person around and thingsr revolving around him as he does stuff with a little help from his friends.
Otherwise it may just as well be called The Adventures of Amy/Clara/whoever and that Bloke with the Blue Box.
Completely agree.
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Old 27-12-2016, 20:25
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Maybe for you, but everyone I know just wants to see believable, reasonable companions, 'normal' people, human or not, who complement the Doctor, not what we've been getting recently, with the Doctor the most important person around and thingsr revolving around him as he does stuff with a little help from his friends.
Otherwise it may just as well be called The Adventures of Amy/Clara/whoever and that Bloke with the Blue Box.
Well to me, Amy was the most normal and relatable companion I've seen since I've been watching the show. It was her's, Rory's and the Doctor's story all as one. The Doctor didn't take all the limelight (which he shouldn't in my opinion) and the stories work as one group unit.

Clara on the other hand was an awful mess of a character, but Amy is not in the same category as her.
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Old 27-12-2016, 20:27
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Well, a few pages here have passed since I asked if it was worth watching, thanks for your thoughts.

So negative! I've just watched it online and loved it! What does it take to please you?
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Old 27-12-2016, 20:34
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Well, a few pages here have passed since I asked if it was worth watching, thanks for your thoughts.

So negative! I've just watched it online and loved it! What does it take to please you?
Many cannot be pleased as they believe they should be writing it !!
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Old 27-12-2016, 22:08
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Many cannot be pleased as they believe they should be writing it !!
Nail on head.

Notice most of those that really pull the show down offer only criticism and nothing in the way of useful suggestions as to what it should be doing. It's worth keeping in mind that while anyone in Moffat or RTDs position, indeed any head writer of such a big show, should be open to all criticism, the kind of people who declare an episode of anything 'worst thing ever!' ten minutes in would struggle to tie their own shoelaces and certainly won't be causing Bafta any headaches in the near future.
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Old 27-12-2016, 23:19
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I found it boring. I fell alseep. When i woke up i couldn't be bothered to go back and see what I missed. I think me and the Dr are going our separate ways. It's just not fun to watch anymore. More like a chore. It shouldn't be like that.
Think that's the problem PC's doctor has.
Remember his 1st series? very straight laced. It went down badly with 2nd series
he lost the smart suit and haircut, And out came the Guitar.

Moffat took the character from one extreme to the other. I keep remembering the excuses the Star trek bosses made when Enterprise Flopped how the series was tired
and people were fedup, Not the fact the stories were crap and characters were being badly written.

Missy is brilliant, Just cant help shake the feeling he doesn't know how to write for PC's doctor and that's why you often get this impression other characters in the episode
are overtaking him.
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Old 27-12-2016, 23:36
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Amazingly, people do like watching Doctor Who for the supporting characters. If it was all just the Doctor on screen for 45 minutes, then it would the most one-note and positively dull show ever made. Oh wait, that was Heaven Sent....

But as I was saying, supporting characters flesh out the Doctor, change the way he interacts. It all works around that.

For me, the companions are the far more interesting character. They are our window into the world of travelling in space and time. The Doctor isn't.
This isn't a reply to this post specifically, but the conversation in general.

I don't think the show focuses on the stories of the companions specifically, nor The Doctor, but rather a middle between both. We see the companions and they as you say are our way into the world. But The Doctor is also what keeps the show alive and interesting, he is the focus of the show and people also watch to see his development and how he reacts to situations.

For me if i don't like a particular incarnation of The Doctor i'll struggle to enjoy their era, however if i don't like a companion it won't put me off the show as personally i don't think they are as integral to the success of the show. An example of mine, i despise Rose as a character, but i still enjoyed the episodes she was in and the era. This is because in my opinion the characters are a way into the world, but the key thing is they are a way into the Doctor's world not just the universe in general, but they revolve around him.
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