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Old 27-12-2016, 23:43
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Well to me, Amy was the most normal and relatable companion I've seen since I've been watching the show. It was her's, Rory's and the Doctor's story all as one. The Doctor didn't take all the limelight (which he shouldn't in my opinion) and the stories work as one group unit.

Clara on the other hand was an awful mess of a character, but Amy is not in the same category as her.
Apart from the S7 mess of Clara i found her development in S8-9 very good. For me she was more relatable than Amy/Rory who i found quite cartoonish and fake a number of the time.

Clara for me is very real in how she reacts to certain situations such as in Kill The Moon, while usually the show avoids conflict ebtween The Doctor and companions at all cost which i don't find believable at all. Then after Danny's death you can see how broken she is and how she needs the danger and aliens to escape from the truth.
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Old 28-12-2016, 01:02
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I thought it was excellent, even though I normally avoid anything with any mention of superheroes. I even liked Matt Lucas in this, even though he's someone I usually try to avoid.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:17
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Just cant help shake the feeling he doesn't know how to write for PC's doctor and that's why you often get this impression other characters in the episode
are overtaking him.
I think he knew who he wanted him to be (grumpy and different) but that didn't work out, the character wasn't particularly well received and needed smoothing out so he's become sort of..nothingy. He isn't as distinct as his predecessors. Even PC says he doesn't have a handle on the character which is quite telling.
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:56
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I thought it was excellent, even though I normally avoid anything with any mention of superheroes. I even liked Matt Lucas in this, even though he's someone I usually try to avoid.
Yes, I agree, I thought it was excellent too. In fact, I actually found it surprisingly touching, which hasn't been my typical response in the Moffat era of Doctor Who. The most impressive thing was that while being a typical Doctor Who story in one sense, it was also quite bold and different in using the superhero genre and being set exclusively in New York with American characters.
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Old 28-12-2016, 13:41
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I don't think the show focuses on the stories of the companions specifically, nor The Doctor, but rather a middle between both. We see the companions and they as you say are our way into the world. But The Doctor is also what keeps the show alive and interesting, he is the focus of the show and people also watch to see his development and how he reacts to situations.

For me if i don't like a particular incarnation of The Doctor i'll struggle to enjoy their era, however if i don't like a companion it won't put me off the show as personally i don't think they are as integral to the success of the show. An example of mine, i despise Rose as a character, but i still enjoyed the episodes she was in and the era. This is because in my opinion the characters are a way into the world, but the key thing is they are a way into the Doctor's world not just the universe in general, but they revolve around him.
To me, the balance has got to be more in the direction of the companion although I agree with your assessment about the Doctor to some degree. I just feel that development with the Doctor isn't an important thing. He sets into his character early on after regenerating and his persona and adventures are what shape the companion. That is the far more interesting side of the story to me. The world shouldn't revolve around the Doctor in my opinion.

And if I don't like a Doctor, like I don't like Peter at the moment, I too struggle to like the era. Him, coupled with Clara have made it a pretty awful era so far. He worked well with River but I wasn't convinced by him and Nardole, although I will give it time. Initial impressions of Bill don't help my view of the current era too.

Apart from the S7 mess of Clara i found her development in S8-9 very good. For me she was more relatable than Amy/Rory who i found quite cartoonish and fake a number of the time.

Clara for me is very real in how she reacts to certain situations such as in Kill The Moon, while usually the show avoids conflict ebtween The Doctor and companions at all cost which i don't find believable at all. Then after Danny's death you can see how broken she is and how she needs the danger and aliens to escape from the truth.
Personally, I thought Clara was the least relatable companion since the show came back. It was her blase attitude to everything. She just didn't seem impressed nor bothered about time travelling. It was just a thing to her. I never found her genuine, with Amy and Rory I did feel they were genuine, Rory moreso, but as a pair, they seemed to be how I would picture myself if I was a companion.

Clara just didn't look interested and her cockiness in Series 9 was extremely off-putting. If I'm honest, I preferred her bland Series 7 persona to what she became...
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:55
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In the context of the show, I expected far more. While I appreciated the River Song continuity references, given the Manhattan setting I expected at least a subtle nod to Amy and Rory.
The reason he was in Manhattan was a subtle Amy and Rory nod. He was there to fix the all the time paradox nonsense from a few seasons ago. Which thinking about, never actually got fixed in the end...
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:38
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Actually enjoyed this latest offering.
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Old 28-12-2016, 17:33
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I didn't enjoy the episode the first time round - but did slightly more the second time. The woman annoyed me with her squeeky toy, Matt Lucas was fun and Peter Capaldi was excellent.
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:15
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Having had a proper watch of it this morning I really enjoyed it. More than THORS last year.
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Old 29-12-2016, 13:36
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The reason he was in Manhattan was a subtle Amy and Rory nod. He was there to fix the all the time paradox nonsense from a few seasons ago. Which thinking about, never actually got fixed in the end...
I didn't really get that that was the reason he was there.
Tbh I'm glad I never cottoned on to it as there are a lot of silly things(in my opinion) over the last few years that I'm happy to just ignore and don't want explained or worked out.

Just got round to watching it yesterday and loved it,I tend to think of the Xmas episode as apart from the main series and theres only a couple I haven't really enjoyed.
I'm really starting to warm to this Doctor now sort of a grumpy bugger with a deep down compassion that he doesn't necessarily want to show. geed up for the new series now
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Old 29-12-2016, 14:50
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I wanted to like this, I really did but it just felt cobbled together at the last minute.

Grant was an okay superhero as the Ghost but the stuff with him and Lucy just didn't click for me and the Harmony Shoal plot felt like a damp squib.

Bulgaria doesn't mask for New York as well as Moffat thinks it does.

Nardole was okay, bar one moment but the story just didn't know what to do with the Doctor to be honest.

I liked the River and Osgood mentions though, 5/10
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Old 29-12-2016, 15:36
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Not as good as the previous two Peter Capaldi Christmas Specials, but still highly enjoyable with a decent storyline and some great acting from all involved. Looking forward to the forthcoming Series 10 with Pearl Mackie as Bill Potts.
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Old 29-12-2016, 19:58
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I wasn't impressed, nothing particularly clever was done with the superhero aspect, it seemed like a lazy idea for an episode where Moffat just had to add a crappy threat onto Lois and Clark.

Not the worst episode or worst Christmas episode but disappointing considering how long it has been since Doctor Who was on.
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Old 29-12-2016, 20:11
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I did like the bit where the Doctor thought he was really clever pointing out that Superman was really Clark Kent
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Old 29-12-2016, 22:32
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The reason he was in Manhattan was a subtle Amy and Rory nod. He was there to fix the all the time paradox nonsense from a few seasons ago. Which thinking about, never actually got fixed in the end...
So maybe he'll be there again, then I can see my hero Rory the Legend Centurion again.

I did like the bit where the Doctor thought he was really clever pointing out that Superman was really Clark Kent
Me, too.

Watched it twice, and still loved it.
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Old 30-12-2016, 01:24
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The reason he was in Manhattan was a subtle Amy and Rory nod. He was there to fix the all the time paradox nonsense from a few seasons ago. Which thinking about, never actually got fixed in the end...
Okay, that was too subtle for me, but probably for the best then. As far as unresolved paradoxes in the legacies of former companions go, Danny Pink's impossible grandson Orson is much more fresh in my mind.
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Old 30-12-2016, 08:40
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Thought it had some funny moments. Only thing I worried about was baby Jennifer. She did seem to be neglected a bit by Lucy and Grant.

If Grant and Lucy decide to have a child would he or she have powers too ?.

Thought the trailer for S 10 looked good too.Only a few months and it will be here.
Happy New Year 2017.
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Old 31-12-2016, 09:47
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Not as good as the previous two Peter Capaldi Christmas Specials, but still highly enjoyable with a decent storyline and some great acting from all involved. Looking forward to the forthcoming Series 10 with Pearl Mackie as Bill Potts.
From previews, Bill Potts grates on me already - reminds me of the perpetually annoying Mel (Bonnie Langford).
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Old 31-12-2016, 14:46
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Absolutely, I could without a Thick As Sh companion, surely the Doctor doesn't suffer fools gladly either?
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:22
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The sci-fi bit was...ok, not new or anything, but well written. The superhero bit looked like a cheap mid-90's syndicated tv show and was really dull, didn't care for it at all. Overall a Christmas special that was...it just felt like a mediocre normal episode from the last series, which wasn't very good.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:57
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I've seen Charity Wakefield in other things and have always enjoyed her performances. Had her character (Lucy) not ended up with Grant I think she would have made a great companion for the Doctor (becoming the first American companion since Jack, the first female American companion since Grace and the first female American companion to be played by a British actress since Peri).
... except that she's not American, she's English - born in Sussex, schooled in Bexhill and studied drama in Oxford.

I agree she'd make an excellent companion for the Doctor, in fact I quite thought this Christmas special was introducing us to her as his new companion. I guess we'll just have to wait and see now who that person is going to be. I really miss Clara and I've still got my recording of her last appearance, when the Doctor didn't seem to recognise her in that milk bar in the middle of the desert. It was quite the saddest scene of the last series.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:52
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... except that she's not American, she's English - born in Sussex, schooled in Bexhill and studied drama in Oxford.
Clearly you didn't see the bit where they said the 'First Female American companion since Peri to be played by a British actress.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:15
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Clearly you didn't see the bit where they said the 'First Female American companion since Peri to be played by a British actress.
Who's Peri?
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:18
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Sexiest companion ever. She travelled with 5th Doctor and the sixth.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:23
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... except that she's not American, she's English - born in Sussex, schooled in Bexhill and studied drama in Oxford.

I agree she'd make an excellent companion for the Doctor, in fact I quite thought this Christmas special was introducing us to her as his new companion. I guess we'll just have to wait and see now who that person is going to be. I really miss Clara and I've still got my recording of her last appearance, when the Doctor didn't seem to recognise her in that milk bar in the middle of the desert. It was quite the saddest scene of the last series.
If you want to know,
Spoiler

Spoilers in case you don't want to know. Lots of stuff in the spoilers and info thread.

5th and 6th Doctor's companion from way back.
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