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Old 25-12-2016, 19:21
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In the context of the show, I expected far more. While I appreciated the River Song continuity references, given the Manhattan setting I expected at least a subtle nod to Amy and Rory. And at the risk of bordering on fanfic, I don't see why the flashbacks to the young Grant could not have been with a previous Doctor, say Paul McGann, or even involved another Time Lord altogether.
Basically, I think the show has a rich enough history that it should be comfortable to draw upon it. If you're suddenly going to introduce a cape-wearing superhero into the Whoniverse, at least give it some proper backstory. The same-Doctor child to grown-up drop-ins are getting old.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:24
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Loved it. Above average for a post 2005 Xmas episode (my lowest point is still Kylie Minogue). Some intelligent stuff on the comic book thing within a fairly frothy sort of episode that you'd expect for Xmas. Effective kid's programme with a nod to the adults - that IS the programme. I assume this is one for the c.v. for life after Who for Moffat.

Hating this thread in the forum so far though - the running commentary - who needs it? Watch the bloody thing first! Only really began enjoying the last series once I'd cut this forum out. No reason here to change my mind for the Spring. Simple invective is not the same thing as criticism.

It reminds me of a festival of pub bores who base their superiority to any/every football manager on their Playstation's worth of experience ("... and I've been playing them since the Sega Megadrive..." Whoop de doo!)

As to the few worthwhile comments in this forum on Nu-Who, I'm only sorry that you're being drowned out. Things may improve once people who have finished watching it start pitching in, or maybe not. I really don't care any more.

Looking forward to the next series, but I'll have to resume the self-imposed purdah of giving this type of thread and probably the forum a very wide berth. Shame to waste all the improvements that DS have brought in, but then btl on the Daily Mail can be slick yet hateful as well.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:28
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It's very tedious having to trawl through posts with four or five words from same posters that post the same thing half a dozen times throughout, especially when the thing hasn't yet.
Why not save them all up and post the one post at the end?
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:29
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Loved it. Above average for a post 2005 Xmas episode (my lowest point is still Kylie Minogue). Some intelligent stuff on the comic book thing within a fairly frothy sort of episode that you'd expect for Xmas. Effective kid's programme with a nod to the adults - that IS the programme. I assume this is one for the c.v. for life after Who for Moffat.

Hating this thread in the forum so far though - the running commentary - who needs it? Watch the bloody thing first! Only really began enjoying the last series once I'd cut this forum out. No reason here to change my mind for the Spring. Simple invective is not the same thing as criticism.

It reminds me of a festival of pub bores who base their superiority to any/every football manager on their Playstation's worth of experience ("... and I've been playing them since the Sega Megadrive..." Whoop de doo!)

As to the few worthwhile comments in this forum on Nu-Who, I'm only sorry that you're being drowned out. Things may improve once people who have finished watching it start pitching in, or maybe not. I really don't care any more.

Looking forward to the next series, but I'll have to resume the self-imposed purdah of giving this type of thread and probably the forum a very wide berth. Shame to waste all the improvements that DS have brought in, but then btl on the Daily Mail can be slick yet hateful as well.
Interesting - FOUR paragraphs slagging others off and only ONE on the actual show itself. Very illuminating and I feel something of an unconscious comment on the poor quality of the hour just transmitted.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:34
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I had very low expectations but I'm glad to say it surprised me and I ended up thoroughly enjoying that.
Despite its lighter in tone fluffiness as it has always been with these CSs, Capaldi was on top form.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:34
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UN it - Trump hasn't left the UN yet. Its only been made less clear what UNIT means in recent years as they have got nervous about associating the show with the UN - because the UN could never agree to do anything, if real aliens turned up.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:35
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Skimmed the thread now. Blimey. Still, I'll reiterate my previous comment. Really good fun, and the non-fans watching it with me were smiling away too. (Yeah, I know, 'anecdotal'!) Even got shushed when I wondered out loud why the villain insisted upon keeping his gun in his 'head'....he had pockets, after all.

Still, there we go!

eta Agree, Mr Dare. Capaldi knocked it out of the park.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:36
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The DS review is raving; the critics all pretty much loved it even if this forum in general didn't (and I include myself in that nay camp).
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:38
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Well I thought it was great fun, as a Christmas Day episode should be!
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:41
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Terrific stuff and give it a 10 out of 10. At last, a bit of action!! Needed to be like Voyage Of The Damned (still the best Xmas special yet) and it was!
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:44
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I thought I was going to hate it based on the trailer but I quite enjoyed it.

One thing I've noticed with this forum is the ones who hate the episode are the ones who do the live running commentary. Just put your phones/tablets/laptops down for an hour instead of analysing every scene.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:56
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I thought that was good old fashioned DW. Miles better than most of the pretentious stuff in the last series. It was fun, zipped along, had good jokes and was undemanding. Also very well staged in what was not New York but you would never know.

Think too many people here were expecting Shakespeare or War and Peace not an hour of Christmas light entertainment which it delivered.

Peter Capaldi finally looked like he was enjoying being the Doctor and that made him a more engaging character.
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:59
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I found it rather dull and slight, I'm afraid, and trust that we'll not see a lot of The Ghost in future episodes. However, it's a seasonal one-off, so we move on.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:18
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I really enjoyed that. Capaldi was fantastic, I was so pleased to have the show back after a year's break. I liked Nardole, Judging by the trailer I wish he was the only companion next series.
It was lightweight, fun, not much of a plot and would have made a good 'normal' episode. It was blessedly Clara-free so 12 could be himself and not weighed down, though obviously reminding him of the recentish loss of River didn't help.
The nod to interference problems in the New York area was nice as were several other references in passing.
I'm cautiously optimistic for the series except for the prospect of Bill, he really doesn't need another companion.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:23
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I loved it! and shall watch it again and again
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:24
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I thought I was going to hate it based on the trailer but I quite enjoyed it.

One thing I've noticed with this forum is the ones who hate the episode are the ones who do the live running commentary. Just put your phones/tablets/laptops down for an hour instead of analysing every scene.
That's always the case. It's like there's a competition to see who can hate it the quickest and hate it the most, during the broadcast! I never take any notice of these people. Far better to listen to the far more informed and sensibly considered opinion of those who actually paid attention to the show and then posted.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:25
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Well I thought I'd let it digest a bit before posting too hastily. It certainly wasn't the worst Christmas special, it wasn't the best either. It was just middle of the road.

What mainly did annoy me though and it does as a rule in general is Christmas specials not feeling Christmassy at all. In this we had a quick reference to Christmas and that was it. Hardly a Christmas special. It could have been shown at any time of the year.

To me, a Christmas special has got to have the occasion at its core to be a proper Christmas special. This wasn't. It was a regular episode with a tree in the background...that annoyed me.

Actually on to the story, I've never been interested in superheroes and I assume a lot of it went over my head but it was alright. I thought Justin Chatwin played it well. I don't think we got to know enough about Ghost/Grant though. That was a pity.

I thought Nardole would ruin things and although he didn't, I still don't understand his purpose in this story. Lucy was a far more interesting character and one that suited the companion role far better than Nardole ever did.

To me, get Charity Wakefield back. I know she was basically playing Lois Lane, but there was more to Lucy in my opinion.

Ultimately, i thought the threat was very forgettable and although it was a nice nod back to last year's special, I still don't feel like we really knew who they were. They felt very lacking.

And, Peter still doesn't fit to me in the show. He is most definitely the weak link in the programme. Still too rude and just not Doctor-like in my opinion. It simply doesn't work with him. I don't actually believe he is the Doctor.

Another actor could get more out of it in my opinion. I really am hoping the next series is his last...
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:39
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So last season they made turning someone immortal into a pretty easy task... which makes you wonder why everyone in DW's universe isn't immortal since the technology has been there since Viking times...

They also made it so that a magic bird can follow you anywhere in the universe at any time, which makes you wonder how the Doctor is even alive, this magic bird technology was available to some slumming aliens in a hidden back street of modern day London, surely the more sophisticated races in the universe at that time or even in the future who want the Doctor dead could do so with ease, just send the Ravens afters him.. The Doctor would have to be running constantly and eventually they will catch up with him and boom he's dead...

And now this Xmas episode (which as I said earlier in this thread I enjoyed) puts forward the notion that creating a proper super powered person isn't all that difficult... Sure there's the line that those stones were rare but presumably if what happened to grant is possible in DW's world then it could be replicated by other means..

It makes you wonder why isn't the Doctor a immortal super powered being who sends ravens after all the big bad villains of the universe..

I don't think the writers pay attention to what they are creating, do they not think of the consequences... stuff has been created during Moffat's era that breaks the universe the show is in, there should be no problems in this universe, the doctor should either be a unstoppable force of power or dead from a raven or something like it.....

So now we have an actual real superhero in New York and the moon is a giant egg with a space dragon in it.... really? isn't this all getting a bit ludicrous even for DW....

I bet they won't go back to The Ghost, even though there's no reason not to, that guy should be solving all the problems of Earth, The Doctor should be out of a job as Earths protector, but nope he's just going to keep quite.... right, ok.. why exactly? You could have a massive impact on the Earth, but of course the writer doesn't want that so The Ghost will be just brushed over and forgotten about....

Again with so much of Moffats work and his era with DW, there's no thought about the consequences of the things the writers create and say... just like with the moon egg episode and the magic tree episode where some how Earth was fine even though in both those episodes Earth should of been devastated... or how in Power of three where those people should of all been dead from the heart failure.... but nope it is all brushed over, there are no consequences in this show.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:45
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That's always the case. It's like there's a competition to see who can hate it the quickest and hate it the most, during the broadcast! I never take any notice of these people. Far better to listen to the far more informed and sensibly considered opinion of those who actually paid attention to the show and then posted.
Like me I loved it; light-hearted entertainment for Christmas Day.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:47
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Was good but a bit meh, The doctor just having one of the rarest things in the universe on him and letting a kid swallow it? Its obviously a made for the US market thing and does feel like a US show where you have to wait for X minutes before telling another joke etc to keep the marketing up.

This marketing at the US market has basically just meant it becomes a CGI fest where as the doctor is a teacher that means he guides etc and uses his knowledge to guide the events rather than the usual "run" line
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:49
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And, Peter still doesn't fit to me in the show. He is most definitely the weak link in the programme. Still too rude and just not Doctor-like in my opinion. It simply doesn't work with him. I don't actually believe he is the Doctor.

Another actor could get more out of it in my opinion. I really am hoping the next series is his last...
You realize that's to do with the writing and not Peter right?

And the Doctor has always been rude, have people forgotten the ninth Doctor and how rude he was, and that's what kicked the show back off, even Tennants Doctor was rude at many times...

And a lot of the Old who Doctors were rude to, including the two most popular classic Doctors, Pertwee and Tom Baker....

Do people pay attention to the show and its main character or what
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:52
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I enjoyed the episode. Thought it was funny, sweet and well done. It wasn't the usual Doctor Who episode that we're used to, but I enjoyed the change (for a one-off, anyway). The story was mainly easy to follow. Didn't really care about the brain stuff, was more interested in the Ghost/Grant/Lucy love story. For a Christmas episode, it did the trick of being warm and heartfelt. Sure, we all could have guessed the entire story as soon after about 10 minutes, but it was nicely done. 'Cheesy' and 'soppy' are some of the words I've seen used to describe it on this thread. It was absolutely that. That's why I enjoyed it as this year's Christmas special.

Hope you all had a lovely Christmas.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:52
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That's always the case. It's like there's a competition to see who can hate it the quickest and hate it the most, during the broadcast! I never take any notice of these people. Far better to listen to the far more informed and sensibly considered opinion of those who actually paid attention to the show and then posted.
Who on earth is more informed?
You simply have people who like it and people who don't. Expertise doesn't even come into it.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:53
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Can you imagine a doctor who story where the karnkus, (the superhero from the 'mindrobber') had somehow escaped into our world?

That would have been quite a story.....
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:56
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You realize that's to do with the writing and not Peter right?

And the Doctor has always been rude, have people forgotten the ninth Doctor and how rude he was, and that's what kicked the show back off, even Tennants Doctor was rude at many times...

And a lot of the Old who Doctors were rude to, including the two most popular classic Doctors, Pertwee and Tom Baker....

Do people pay attention to the show and its main character or what
Yes, of course I realise it's down to the writing. Do you think I'm stupid that I don't know the difference? Come off it. I know the writing leads the way, but an actor can take a line a different way.

To me, the Doctor has never been full on rude as he has been with Capaldi. He can be a bit brusk at times but not rude. Even Doctors of old weren't rude like Capaldi's have been. There's always that twinkle in their eye that deep down they don't mean it.

I never get that with Capaldi's Doctor. He's rude and he means it.

It's not an endearing quality for a lead character in the slightest...

Oh, and BIB. No need to be so rude...
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