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Old 07-10-2016, 20:31
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Why did that ending warrant Julia's theme???
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:33
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Probably because justice was served for Paul
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:33
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Lord knows. Eastenders has had some perculiar endings of late.
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:34
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Why did that ending warrant Julia's theme???
Because of what Les and Pam went through, it was a sign they could move on. The theme is not just for exits, it's for poignant moments. I personally thought it was very apt.
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:36
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Was I the only one who thought something was going to happen to Lee there?
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:37
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Because it's only the last decade or so when it's been primarily used as an exit theme.. Julia's theme was originally designed to be an alternative ending tune for emotional episode endings when the drum beats wouldn't fit. However it hasn't be n used in this way since Tommy Moon was returned to Kat five years ago, the fact that SOCs first Julia's theme was for a non exit is a real sign of returning the show to its core values
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:38
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Julia's Theme is the alternative ending for when duff duffs are not suitable. It wouldn't have been right if Les was taking Pam home and it went to the duff duffs.
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:38
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I thought it was too happy and something was going to happen with the bus like a crash obviously not SOC obviously wanted us to think something bad was going to happen but then proving to us EE can have happy endings
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:39
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IanMandy is spot on. Couldn't agree more.

Was I the only one who thought something was going to happen to Lee there?
Its defo all foreshadowing. I think his and Whitney's story is going to be a tragic one.
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:41
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IanMandy is spot on. Couldn't agree more.



Its defo all foreshadowing. I think his and Whitney's story is going to be a tragic one.
I agree. There seemed to be a lot of emphasis tonight on how happy they are.
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:45
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Because it's only the last decade or so when it's been primarily used as an exit theme.. Julia's theme was originally designed to be an alternative ending tune for emotional episode endings when the drum beats wouldn't fit. However it hasn't be n used in this way since Tommy Moon was returned to Kat five years ago, the fact that SOCs first Julia's theme was for a non exit is a real sign of returning the show to its core values
Exactly.

It was quite fitting, because on the one side you had Whitney who is about to embark on an exciting chapter, she's getting married and has a baby to look forward too. She's out with her friends and enjoying herself, her life is full of promise.

Then you have Les and Pam, a couple who buried their son and grandson. Their legacy of a Coker run business is coming to an end, while Billy is taking over as manager they have no direct descendants to take over. As Pam said, the guilty convictions will have not made her happy. It probably made her relieved more than anything, there will not be a trial. She and Les can also embark on a new chapter, but it won't be the same as Whitneys, they are in their twilight years and will be entering a more calmer pace of life.
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:49
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Because it's only the last decade or so when it's been primarily used as an exit theme.. Julia's theme was originally designed to be an alternative ending tune for emotional episode endings when the drum beats wouldn't fit. However it hasn't be n used in this way since Tommy Moon was returned to Kat five years ago, the fact that SOCs first Julia's theme was for a non exit is a real sign of returning the show to its core values
Great post well said
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:54
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Les and Pam moving forward .
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Old 07-10-2016, 20:59
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I thought the ending was quite nice. So far this year there have been 6 Julia/Peggy's themes and apart from tonight, they have all more or less been used for character exits/goodbyes (Charlie Slater dying, Shabnam and Jade leaving, Tamwar and Nancy leaving and Phil saying bye to Peggy twice). Nitin hinted that Mas will also get a Julia's theme in a taxi.

The last Julia/Peggy's theme which wasn't for a character exit was in Live Week and before that it was in 2011 when Kat and Alfie got Tommy back (excluding other alternate endings).
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:01
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Exactly.

It was quite fitting, because on the one side you had Whitney who is about to embark on an exciting chapter, she's getting married and has a baby to look forward too. She's out with her friends and enjoying herself, her life is full of promise.

Then you have Les and Pam, a couple who buried their son and grandson. Their legacy of a Coker run business is coming to an end, while Billy is taking over as manager they have no direct descendants to take over. As Pam said, the guilty convictions will have not made her happy. It probably made her relieved more than anything, there will not be a trial. She and Les can also embark on a new chapter, but it won't be the same as Whitneys, they are in their twilight years and will be entering a more calmer pace of life.
Great post, Scrabs. And of course because we know Lee is leaving, even the scenes with Whitney were tinged with sadness because we know this happiness won't last. Julia's Theme felt so right tonight as it stood for hope (even Pam seemed somewhat peaceful for the first time since Paul's death as she watched Johnny) but also for sadness. The duff duff just wouldn't have worked.
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:02
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I thought it worked perfectly, I really cannot fault SOC in any way so far, albeit he hasn't had any major storylines of his own.
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:04
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I think it should have been saved until next week but it was lovely. Pam and les deserved a JT. Their storyline has been fantastic and I'm
Glad they are getting a happy ending getting justice. I just wish they were staying on the show. Out of all the axing I'm going to miss them the most
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:05
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Because of what Les and Pam went through, it was a sign they could move on. The theme is not just for exits, it's for poignant moments. I personally thought it was very apt.
Exactly this.

It was t show that although they will grieve forever, they might be able to start to move on and could take some pleasure in seeing other people enjoying their lives with Whitney's Hen do.

It was bittersweet - exactly the sort of ending Julia's theme was created for. It doesn't have to be 'big' things like exits or deaths, just when the strident duffduffs would be jarring.
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:10
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Was I the only one who thought something was going to happen to Lee there?
I thought this.
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:12
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This gets asked every time Julia's Theme is played.

It was a great episode, a major storyline was wrapped up and the feel good ending warranted the use of the theme. Originally the theme was used for any ending that didn't suit the traditional duff duff ending.
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:18
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Out of all the axing I'm going to miss them the most
Me too
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:22
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I thought it was too happy and something was going to happen with the bus like a crash obviously not SOC obviously wanted us to think something bad was going to happen but then proving to us EE can have happy endings
It's all a bit nicey nicey at the minute. The endings in particular, where are the cliff hangers!?
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:24
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So from the Wikipedia page, here are the first 20 occasions Julia's Theme was used - see how many of these are exits?


1 11 April 1985 Ian Beale cries into the arms of his grandmother Lou after a heart-to-heart, because his father Pete disapproves of him becoming a chef.

2 20 June 1985 Sue Osman tells her husband Ali that she has a lump in her throat and cannot cry for her recently deceased baby, Hassan.

3 1 August 1985 In order to make a despondent Sue Osman acknowledge her grief, Dr. Harold Legg forces her to hold baby Annie Smith . As she comforts the crying baby, she breaks down in tears.

4 3 October 1985 Michelle Fowler meets Den Watts at the canal to tell him that she is pregnant with his baby.

5 2 January 1986 Pauline Fowler has a heart-to-heart with her son Mark on Southend beach.

6 6 February 1986 Lofty Holloway asks a pregnant Michelle Fowler to marry him.

7 8 April 1986 Michelle Fowler agrees to marry Lofty Holloway.

8 17 April 1986 Whilst alone in the bar at The Queen Victoria, Lofty Holloway and Michelle Fowler share a kiss before she leaves.

9 22 July 1986 Sue Osman tells Michelle Fowler that she has had a phantom pregnancy.

10 23 September 1986 On the night before Michelle Fowler's wedding to Lofty Holloway, the father of her child, Den Watts wishes her good luck.

11 4 June 1987 Arthur Fowler returns home from prison and thanks his family for their support.

12 2 July 1987 Dot Cotton and Ethel Skinner reminisce about life in the war in a two-hander episode.

13 20 August 1987 Magda Czajkowski asks Simon Wicks to move in with her.

14 20 August 1992 Arthur Fowler reluctantly turns down Christine Hewitt's advances, but he kisses her passionately before he leaves.

15 25 December 1992 Mark Fowler rescues Mandy Salter from her mother's abusive boyfriend and takes her back to Walford, where they celebrate Christmas at the Fowlers' house.

16 18 February 1993 Pauline Fowler and Pat Butcher have a heart-to-heart after Pat runs over and kills a girl.

17 2 September 1993 Sharon, Grant and Phil Mitchell, Kathy Beale, Frank and Pat Butcher start their journey home from France after visiting Frank's pregnant daughter Diane. Sharon watches on as Phil and Kathy embrace.

18 5 October 1993 Debbie Tyler convinces Nigel Bates that she is not going to leave him, and asks him if they can go to bed together.

19 21 October 1993 Ian Beale begs his wife Cindy to return home after lies have spread and he thinks she has cheated.

20 22 June 1995 Nigel Bates tells his stepdaughter Clare Bates that her mother Debbie has died in a hit-and-run accident.
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:31
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It's all a bit nicey nicey at the minute. The endings in particular, where are the cliff hangers!?
Seems they can't win? They be happy for once then its too nicey nicey, do the opposite then its called depressing 24/7
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Old 07-10-2016, 21:48
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Great post, Scrabs. And of course because we know Lee is leaving, even the scenes with Whitney were tinged with sadness because we know this happiness won't last. Julia's Theme felt so right tonight as it stood for hope (even Pam seemed somewhat peaceful for the first time since Paul's death as she watched Johnny) but also for sadness. The duff duff just wouldn't have worked.
And when Lee does leave, it will be sadder because of the supposedly happy future he would have had with Whitney.
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