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VicsMum
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Surely if someone in the British ballroom scene recognises that it isn't happening for Black and Asian students, than something, including help towards costs, should be done.”

Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“Cost does just not affect black kids - it affects all kids and puts many off competing, only a tiny percentage of those who learn to dance compete.”

Spot on, bendymixer! Cost has nothing to do with colour and I'll give you an example.

My 7yr old is doing Ballroom once a week as an after school club at school. It's partly funded by the school so it costs less than a weekly class would normally cost outside school.

Karen and Kevin are running a Sunday dance school for kids. I would absolutely love for my son to learn from them, but there's no way I could afford the cost without having to remove him from 3 other after school clubs that he also enjoys very much. You might as well argue that I can remove him from the other clubs, however, not only he enjoys doing them but he is also learning a lot of other skills that help him with his development. Going even further, when he stays longer at school attending these clubs, I have more time to work. Any working parent knows very well what I'm talking about, an extra hour can be precious. So, it's actually a huge number of factors to be considered. Saying, "the government should fund ballroom classes for black kids" is a really simplistic and limiting thought.
collaw
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“What do you mean you don't want quotas?
It'd be the only way to achieve it.”


Not all dancers can teach, please let it be on merit, with ability to teach and to sell themselves otherwise it could become ridicule
bendymixer
08-10-2016
Keo was due to sign for sCD couple of years ago (Oti's ex dance partner) but ended up in the states
kaycee
08-10-2016
British dance schools certainly do not exclude anyone of colour from the Ballroom and Latin world, any more than they exclude anyone from overseas - whatever their colour. Nor would I begin to suggest that it is a dearth of talent among people of colour which leads to a lack of coloured pro dancers. It's simply a case of bb & Lat not being something that appeals to any great extent..

Strangely, a friend of mine who is a pro tennis player was saying exactly the same thing. He plays and coaches in a large club, but finds it quite odd that among their hundreds of club members there isn't a single non-white person - adult or child.
kaycee
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
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Surely if someone in the British ballroom scene recognises that it isn't happening for Black and Asian students, than something, including help towards costs, should be done.”

Who exactly do you mean as "someone" in the Brit BB scene?

Your idea may sound good, until you realise that there a hundreds of very talented kids all over the country, of all colours, including white, who can never hope to reach their potential because of lack of money.

Like all sports, dancesport is very expensive if you want to aim for the top, and large numbers of kids are lost to the Brit dance world because of lack of money makes it impossible for them to continue; unlike some other sports, there is no outside funding to help. `
A.D.P
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Actually that simply can't be true , not least because Oti has 2 sisters that previously competed in the South African SCD. If they wanted to fill a quota they were available for years and I remember Oti saying both had hoped to come to the Uk and be on SCD, that she was delighted she had finally been chosen

However, setting aside Oti's family SCD is filmed world wide, whilst I do appreciate that differing dance styles are used, Argentina anyone , the basis is still a Latin and ballroom based show.

The Beeb seems to have no problem employing someone only proficient in one style of dance so why not bring in more ethnic minorities?”

Agree great post.
davegold
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“How do you make kids prefer Ballroom and Latin??”

Make ballroom and latin dancing into prime time weekend entertainment? This forum tends to always see Strictly as a problem rather than the solution.
bendymixer
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by davegold:
“Make ballroom and latin dancing into prime time weekend entertainment? This forum tends to always see Strictly as a problem rather than the solution.”

To be fair strictly has been running for years now and it does bring in some new kids into the dance school whilst they want to learn the dances not many wish to progress to competition level.

Strictly brings in far more Adults than anything else of all ages my brother ran a new ballroom/latin class to coincide with the beginning of the show and it was full in first few hours of advertisement and he has had to run another class to cover overspill - I think we get more male pupils since the show has been on tvas well, whilst in the kids class it has brought in maybe 20/30 kids since this series started.
Cranfield
08-10-2016
If you categorise professional dancing as a "sport/pastime", you will notice that coloured people are not overly represented in quite a few, like golf, tennis, cricket, swimming and all winter sports/pastimes.
However they are the majority in basketball, boxing, running, american football, etc.

I am sure there is a deep philosophical reason for the this, but I just can't think of it at the moment.
roseblue1
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“Not all dancers can teach, please let it be on merit, with ability to teach and to sell themselves otherwise it could become ridicule”

Totally agree.
kaycee
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by Cranfield:
“If you categorise professional dancing as a "sport/pastime", you will notice that coloured people are not overly represented in quite a few, like golf, tennis, cricket, swimming and all winter sports/pastimes.
However they are the majority in basketball, boxing, running, american football, etc.

I am sure there is a deep philosophical reason for the this, but I just can't think of it at the moment. ”

Not all professional dancing is sport; some pro dancers have never entered a comp in their lives, but have simply trained to teach. It's the actual competition that is sport. Think of kids kicking a football about in the park - that's an activity/play. When others go on to a proper pitch to take part in a real match, then it becomes sport.

As for your list, I agree with you. Apart from "different things appealing to different people", maybe it's also a case of different types of bodies being more suitable for different activities - you only have to watch the olympics to see who are the majority of fast runners, etc.
inothernews
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“Trying to get the most from a title sorry,

Question is there such a dearth of talent within the British coloured community that there is no professional coloured dancers ?

and 2 nd to the teachers out there, where are the coloured kids taking up ballroom and latin hardly ever see coloured kids in any pics for ballroom dancing ?

Just curious”

Do you mean black people? Asian people? Mixed race people?

The term 'coloured' was outlawed about 40 years ago, and minority groups find it a very offensive term.
collaw
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by inothernews:
“Do you mean black people? Asian people? Mixed race people?

The term 'coloured' was outlawed about 40 years ago, and minority groups find it a very offensive term.”

Any colour other then pinky /white honky like me
bornfree
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“Trying to get the most from a title sorry,

Question is there such a dearth of talent within the British coloured community that there is no professional coloured dancers ?

and 2 nd to the teachers out there, where are the coloured kids taking up ballroom and latin hardly ever see coloured kids in any pics for ballroom dancing ?

Just curious”

What colour? Green?
bornfree
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by inothernews:
“Do you mean black people? Asian people? Mixed race people?

The term 'coloured' was outlawed about 40 years ago, and minority groups find it a very offensive term.”

I agree it is really offensive to minority groups. I am lucky to have a diverse friend circle and one of my best friends really went to town when the term 'coloured' was mentioned by a bloke at work. This guy didn't mean any offence and thought that the term 'black' was offensive. It did take us a long time to convince him otherwise.
RandomSally
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“Bendy I know we have spoken before on this subject then you mentioned the cost , seems such a shame , hope other dance teachers can join in and give some idea's also and if anything can be done to change the situation

I hope Oti goes far and can become a spur for some coloured kids to get more involved”

Coloured?
collaw
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by RandomSally:
“Coloured?”

Someone other then a white honky like me
RandomSally
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“Someone other then a white honky like me”

You're not making it any better. The term 'coloured' is offensive and not appropriate.
Domestos
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by RandomSally:
“You're not making it any better. The term 'coloured' is offensive and not appropriate.”

Yes, it really is and you're right it's not.
collaw
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by RandomSally:
“You're not making it any better. The term 'coloured' is offensive and not appropriate.”

whatever term you wish to use do it Look at the subject matter and it becomes obvious, to be anyone other then white
Domestos
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“whatever term you wish to use do it Look at the subject matter and it becomes obvious, to be anyone other then white”

Then say non-caucasian rather than 'coloured'. That would have been less offensive.
joshua321
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by Domestos:
“Then say non-caucasian rather than 'coloured'. That would have been less offensive.”

It does sound old-fashioned but jumping down someone's throat because they use a word with no bad intent is not going to magically solve racism.

The word 'coloured' used to be considered less offensive than other words, hence the 'National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People'. Maybe the OP hasn't caught up with the latest terms, but as these are always arbitrarily changing so that people can find new ways to be outraged, it's not unforgivable.
RandomSally
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by joshua321:
“It does sound old-fashioned but jumping down someone's throat because they use a word with no bad intent is not going to magically solve racism.

The word 'coloured' used to be considered less offensive than other words, hence the 'National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People'. Maybe the OP hasn't caught up with the latest terms, but as these are always arbitrarily changing so that people can find new ways to be outraged, it's not unforgivable.”

It doesn't arbitrarily change so people can find new ways to be offended. This particular term was prevalent in South Africa during apartheid, used by the government of the day to classify people. It is also a term that lumps people into one homogenous group.
As for the OP, well given their response about white honky then I guess we should be grateful they didn't use the 'N' word.
Domestos
08-10-2016
Originally Posted by joshua321:
“It does sound old-fashioned but jumping down someone's throat because they use a word with no bad intent is not going to magically solve racism.

The word 'coloured' used to be considered less offensive than other words, hence the 'National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People'. Maybe the OP hasn't caught up with the latest terms, but as these are always arbitrarily changing so that people can find new ways to be outraged, it's not unforgivable.”

I think the least you can do is keep abreast of current terminology. It's really worth having a little google to avoid offence.
gorlagon
08-10-2016
I concur that "coloured" is an outdated and offensive term. Please listen to what people are saying to you, OP, and don't use it again. (See: Benedict Cumberbatch).

The thing is, black Britons and British Asians *are* dancing. They are dancing everywhere if you care to look. As others have said, ballroom just isn't that popular with kids compared to other dance forms, despite the popularity of Strictly. For every child - of any ethnicity - learning ballroom, there are dozens upon dozens learning the various forms of street. Bhangra is incredibly popular. Contemporary and ballet are probably learned by more kids than ballroom.

Instead of asking why aren't kids learning ballroom so I can see some British POC professionals on Strictly, why don't you ask what dance styles are popular with British POC so that I can look them up and find and watch the best?
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