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Old 10-10-2016, 19:24
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Do you really think if all this codswallop was true other ex-candidates would be coming forward to say the same thing ?
There have been a couple of articles in the past making similar claims.
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Old 10-10-2016, 22:47
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I can believe every word she says - but is she telling us anything we didn't already guess? Of course its rigged - its an entertainment show (a rather jaded one) but an entertainment show nevertheless.

Despite its failings - I really did enjoy this until the premise changed from 'a job with Sugar' to 'who has the best business plan'. The producers know who has the best business plan when the contestants submit their application - everyone else is just padding to be humiliated along the way. They really should be competing in Dragon's Den if they're any good at a business idea - not going on The Apprentice.
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Old 10-10-2016, 23:34
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I can't say I was a fan of Selina but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that this entire programme is planned (i.e. rigged) from start to finish. As I don't give a faff about any of them, it doesn't bother me and I enjoy the entertainment. They only have themselves to blame for going on the programme in the first place if it doesn't turn out as they hoped.
Yes, and I agree, but think they take the show too seriously, when they should shrug it off, and just have fun with whatever is thrown at them.
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Old 11-10-2016, 00:00
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Also I don't know if it's known or not, but I was talking to Brett from last years series (in response to a tweet), and he said that the candidates have to PAY thousands to be in the show. He said he paid 5k to appear on the show:

Brett Butler Smythe ‏@butler_smythe Oct 6
Try LESS!!!! We only get paid on completion of show and keeping our mouths shut. It cost me 5k to do show!!

I responded "you actually have to pay to go on? that must suck for first week evictees" and he said "Unfortunate for Dan!"
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Old 11-10-2016, 00:25
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There's no way it'd be legal to pay to be on the show. It reads more to me like the fee he got paid was £5,000 less than he would have earned in the same period doing his usual job.
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:37
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Yeah it seems obvious he was of the opinion that he would have earnt £5k if he had worked over that time period rather than do the apprentice.
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Old 12-10-2016, 18:06
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Also I don't know if it's known or not, but I was talking to Brett from last years series (in response to a tweet), and he said that the candidates have to PAY thousands to be in the show. He said he paid 5k to appear on the show:

Brett Butler Smythe ‏@butler_smythe Oct 6
Try LESS!!!! We only get paid on completion of show and keeping our mouths shut. It cost me 5k to do show!!

I responded "you actually have to pay to go on? that must suck for first week evictees" and he said "Unfortunate for Dan!"
He says they got paid at the end of the show and he lost £5K by being on it. He may have missunderstood your response, he isn't saying he paid to be on the show. Obviously people who get fired first have to wait longest.
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Old 12-10-2016, 18:16
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Selina's claims are half believable. I don't suppose they are treated well on boardroom day, but her picture of bullying doesn't sound legal let alone likely. She whined a lot on the show, had a very high opinion of herself, so it's not surprising that she has fanstasies about how things were fixed against her. Plenty of candidates claim they were top seller on a task only to find out they were nowhere near it.

Seriously, what would be the point of fixing the whole series? Presumably all the business ideas are credible, but the full plans aren't completed until the final. Why would Sugar choose in advance before seeing the candidates in action under pressure? It would be like a company deciding who to employ for a job from the CV's and not taking their interview performance into account.

As someone else rightly said, the Mail likes to stick the boot in on the BBC at every possible opportunity.
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Old 12-10-2016, 21:13
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Seriously, what would be the point of fixing the whole series? Presumably all the business ideas are credible, but the full plans aren't completed until the final. Why would Sugar choose in advance before seeing the candidates in action under pressure?
But Tom Pellereau - the guy with the business plan (sorry - it was actually an invention - the curved nail shaper) - he was brought into the boardroom about 5 times - and got off each time. He was a lovely fella - so I'm glad he was - but I'm certain he would have been shown the door at about the third time if it wasn't for the fact that Sugar (or his company) saw from the beginning that his invention was a killer - and that the guy had loads more ideas in his head. I'm quite certain he was chosen from the beginning - and if it happened once ....
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Old 12-10-2016, 21:22
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there all attention seeking
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Old 12-10-2016, 21:41
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there all attention seeking
I agree. The show was once entertaining - I can still remember most of the people's names from series 1 - and all quite fondly. I had to stop watching a while ago when it became so obvious that it was all staged (it probably was from the very beginning) but at least it wasn't obvious - and in any case - in the first series, Tim, the right person won.
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Old 12-10-2016, 21:45
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Selina the grumpy attention-seeker. Don't believe a word she says.
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Old 12-10-2016, 22:36
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But Tom Pellereau - the guy with the business plan (sorry - it was actually an invention - the curved nail shaper) - he was brought into the boardroom about 5 times - and got off each time. He was a lovely fella - so I'm glad he was - but I'm certain he would have been shown the door at about the third time if it wasn't for the fact that Sugar (or his company) saw from the beginning that his invention was a killer - and that the guy had loads more ideas in his head. I'm quite certain he was chosen from the beginning - and if it happened once ....
Don't think Tom was in the boardroom until quite late on in the process - he did enough on the tasks to convince the losing PM that he shouldn't be brought back... and he did work hard on task - usually number crunching for the team.

IIRC, he was only in the boardroom when the numbers dropped to the point that he HAD to be there....
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Old 13-10-2016, 00:48
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Before thre series starts they have to hand in their business plan.

Lord Alan is not going to fire the one with the best plan
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Old 13-10-2016, 05:01
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The inexplicable delays that disadvantage one team over another, that SWS complains of, are usually due to numpty project managers deciding to drive across London.

Greater London is a big place, and often congested even outside the rush hour (which is really about four hours). Candidates even from other cities often do not realise how much larger is London.

Mind you, in the first episode of 2016, one PM went to Camden against the expert's advice to sell in Portobello market which she judged too far away. In fact, they are only a couple of miles and maybe 10 minutes apart.
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Old 13-10-2016, 05:06
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Selina complains that Lord Sugar is briefed by producers before the boardroom. She seems here to believe in the same fallacy that catches naive viewers out.

Of course the producers (and Karren and Claude) tell Lord Sugar what went on. How else would he know? He hasn't seen the programme which at this stage has not been made; it's just 30 hours of task footage in an editing suite.
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Old 13-10-2016, 08:10
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Before thre series starts they have to hand in their business plan.

Lord Alan is not going to fire the one with the best plan
Exactly. Its decided at the very beginning.
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Old 13-10-2016, 09:19
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Exactly. Its decided at the very beginning.
Yes that makes so much sense. Decide it all in advance. Why bother to see how well they actually do managing projects, selling and creating products, in the tasks?

It's one thing having a good business idea. Quite another to have the ability to put it into practice. Whoever wins needs both.
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Old 13-10-2016, 09:21
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Before thre series starts they have to hand in their business plan.

Lord Alan is not going to fire the one with the best plan
He will if it turns out they can't sell and can't manage a team.

The full business plans aren't submitted till the interview stage.
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Old 13-10-2016, 15:22
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It's worth bearing in mind when assessing how much attention Sugar pays to the actual tasks that when the prize was a job he'd employ both finalists from the end of filming until making his decision for the final, and then rather than hiring the winner, he'd keep them on.
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Old 13-10-2016, 19:11
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That's true but he can hardly invest in two start ups for six months and see which one works best. The tasks are still a useful way for him to whittle down the candidates, see who he can work with and who he can't, as well as making good TV of course.
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Old 13-10-2016, 21:13
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Wether you like her or not, I can totally believe her.
I believe the sleep deprivation is deliberate. So is the isolation, denying them the internet, and various other things. They are set up to fail. Even referring to them as "boys" and "girls" is a diminutive meant to undermine them. Also, yes, they all get a lot more interviewed than we see, and they are encouraged to say outrageous things during those interviews (won't be allowed to leave until they do).

However, for her claim that the boardroom is scripted, she has no evidence. She'd not there when she claims it happens; she's waiting in that windowless room. I think it's clear that Lord Sugar goes over the task in some detail before the camera rolls, and that he gets info from the production crew as well as from his official sidekicks. I doubt he asks many questions without already knowing the answers. That's not the same as saying it's scripted. Most of what she says about this is clearly self-serving. Eg saying she was picked on each boardroom. She's just being paranoid.

The finalists are almost certainly decided beforehand. The business plans are all submitted before filming starts, and the format of the show means that Sugar (and the show's producers) can ensure that their 2 favourites are there until the end.
Very unlikely. If it were true, we wouldn't have so many stupid plans in the final four. Sometimes there isn't a single good one, never mind two.

But Tom Pellereau - the guy with the business plan (sorry - it was actually an invention - the curved nail shaper) - he was brought into the boardroom about 5 times - and got off each time.
Nope. He was never brought back into the final 3 by another team leader; he was only there at the end when there were 3 people on the team, or when he led the team himself. And he was good, even when he was one the losing team. Whether or not his business plan was the best, he showed enough talent to win on merit. Conspiracy theories aren't necessary to explain the results.
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Old 13-10-2016, 23:01
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Selina? Hmmm....must have missed last year's Apprentice.

Is she worse than Hopkins?
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Old 13-10-2016, 23:27
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Selina? Hmmm....must have missed last year's Apprentice.

Is she worse than Hopkins?
It's debatable.
Hopkins is willing to say any offensive thing for attention and to get a reaction from people to make herself look and feel superior.

Selina is more about playing the victim, making out everyone is against her and treat her so terribly, while also singing her own praises.
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Old 13-10-2016, 23:44
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Selina? Hmmm....must have missed last year's Apprentice.

Is she worse than Hopkins?
Selina is just deluded. Hopkins actually was as good as she thought she was. Both are attention seekers. Selena only seems capable of getting attention when the Apprentice is on. Hopkins is much more successful at it, more's the pity.
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