Originally Posted by NicPlays:
“Let's not forget Alesha or Simon.”
“Let's not forget Alesha or Simon.”
And Ricky Whittle.
Is Strictly voting a little bit racist?
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This is nonsense!
The voting public "choose" who ends up in the dance-off!
Why they chose Anastasia last week, but not this week, is anyone's guess...
However, despite it being a close run thing, the right decision was made of THOSE TWO.
It's a shame when a good personality goes out - the show is poorer for it.
But to suggest it was racist trivialises racism.
The voting public "choose" who ends up in the dance-off!
Why they chose Anastasia last week, but not this week, is anyone's guess...
However, despite it being a close run thing, the right decision was made of THOSE TWO.
It's a shame when a good personality goes out - the show is poorer for it.
But to suggest it was racist trivialises racism.
Originally Posted by inothernews:
“I first noticed Temeka Empsom on a BBC3 show called '3 non blondes' in 2003.
I would describe her as a comedienne, or at any rate., a comedy actress.
She isn't the first person with that kind of background to end up as a 'serious' actor/actress on Eastenders. That explains her desire to be funny all the time. If she had become much better known as a comedy actress (which is her real strength) would be people be so harsh on her? I mean, you'd expect Miranda, or Katy Wix or Katherine Ryan to be a bit OTT, because they are all comediennes, so if any of them desplayed the same behaviour as Temeka it would be deemed 'ok'- as in- she does comedy, so we expect her to be like that. Because she's wound up in Eastenders people just think she's an actress trying to hard to get noticed, and consider that a turn off.
But I would say you would naturally classify her as 'a comedienne who can act' rather than a serious actress who happens to be in Eastenders, so her personality reflects that. But- if you knew she was a comedienne I think people would perhaps be better disposed towards her antics (I mean- you'd expect the other ladies I mentioned who made their names in comedy to play up a bit and want to be the centre of attention- so no great surprise Tameka is the same.”
“I first noticed Temeka Empsom on a BBC3 show called '3 non blondes' in 2003.
I would describe her as a comedienne, or at any rate., a comedy actress.
She isn't the first person with that kind of background to end up as a 'serious' actor/actress on Eastenders. That explains her desire to be funny all the time. If she had become much better known as a comedy actress (which is her real strength) would be people be so harsh on her? I mean, you'd expect Miranda, or Katy Wix or Katherine Ryan to be a bit OTT, because they are all comediennes, so if any of them desplayed the same behaviour as Temeka it would be deemed 'ok'- as in- she does comedy, so we expect her to be like that. Because she's wound up in Eastenders people just think she's an actress trying to hard to get noticed, and consider that a turn off.
But I would say you would naturally classify her as 'a comedienne who can act' rather than a serious actress who happens to be in Eastenders, so her personality reflects that. But- if you knew she was a comedienne I think people would perhaps be better disposed towards her antics (I mean- you'd expect the other ladies I mentioned who made their names in comedy to play up a bit and want to be the centre of attention- so no great surprise Tameka is the same.”
I think it's the opposite. Temeka plays a comic character in Eastenders, so she comes across as a bit of a one trick pony. I was hoping we might see another side of her character on Strictly, but unfortunately we didn't.
Incidentally, I don't think Miranda, Katy or Katherine would have acted the fool on Strictly. Katherine Ryan in particular is an intelligent woman who can be very serious when required. I've seen her on many occasions when she doesn't try to act like the court jester.
Originally Posted by RichardSteward7:
“1. Just as I am entitled to offer a rebuttal to a post that implies that they have not read my acknowledgement of the mixed race Dixon's success.
2. Completely disagree. The fact that some mixed race people have done well does not mean racism doesn't exist in the voting. But like I said in my original post I could be wrong and it is just my opinion”
“1. Just as I am entitled to offer a rebuttal to a post that implies that they have not read my acknowledgement of the mixed race Dixon's success.
2. Completely disagree. The fact that some mixed race people have done well does not mean racism doesn't exist in the voting. But like I said in my original post I could be wrong and it is just my opinion”
You seem to be guilty of defining people solely by their skin colour. Now that's what I call racist.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I was referring to the local constituency which in the throws of a by-election.”
“I was referring to the local constituency which in the throws of a by-election.”
I did not realise that you were referring to just one constituency. I presume each party picks the best candidate, can't expect each party to chose for balance over all the candidates.
It is hardly surprising that the candidates are white British in a rural constituency because there will be an even lower proportion of black residents than the national average.
I don't think it's possible to assert with confidence that Strictly voting isn't racist.
It's a popular programme in the UK.
This is a country in which a large number of people vote for UKIP and in which there was a vote to leave the European Union. Teresa May's Government is increasngly seeking to legislate who is (or isn't) British, and who does or doesn't belong.
Within that context it seems quite likely that there are some viewers may feel - consciously or otherwise - that they particularly want to support dancers who embody their vision/version of Britishness. And those dancers may not be the white ones.
It's a popular programme in the UK.
This is a country in which a large number of people vote for UKIP and in which there was a vote to leave the European Union. Teresa May's Government is increasngly seeking to legislate who is (or isn't) British, and who does or doesn't belong.
Within that context it seems quite likely that there are some viewers may feel - consciously or otherwise - that they particularly want to support dancers who embody their vision/version of Britishness. And those dancers may not be the white ones.
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“3 black people haven't won Strictly.
Alesha-mixed race
Louis-mixed race
Mark R-mixed race
Since when were mixed race people, black?
I'm not targeting just you, but a lot of people seem to consider mixed race people as black when they aren't. They may have black in them but they aren't purely black.”
“3 black people haven't won Strictly.
Alesha-mixed race
Louis-mixed race
Mark R-mixed race
Since when were mixed race people, black?
I'm not targeting just you, but a lot of people seem to consider mixed race people as black when they aren't. They may have black in them but they aren't purely black.”
To be fair though, quite a lot of mixed-race people prefer to align themselves with a black identity than with a mixed or white identity.
I suppose that is really a matter for the individual - and not something that others should decide for - or on behalf of them.
What on earth is this black / less black/ mixed race / barely black nonsense ?
Gods sake people are people , some we like , some we dislike and some get on our last nerve
Tameke and Kellie Bright annoyed me in equal measure . They both irritated me both on the dancr floor and off it . Colour or shades of it never even crossed my mind
Shout out racism as loud as you like and sneer at people like me who deny it ever even enters our mind . It doesn't make you right or make you know what is in my head or indeed anyone elses
Gods sake people are people , some we like , some we dislike and some get on our last nerve
Tameke and Kellie Bright annoyed me in equal measure . They both irritated me both on the dancr floor and off it . Colour or shades of it never even crossed my mind
Shout out racism as loud as you like and sneer at people like me who deny it ever even enters our mind . It doesn't make you right or make you know what is in my head or indeed anyone elses
Originally Posted by Mrs Moose:
“I am not good enough with maths to work out the statistical probability - actual dancing ability set aside - of two non-white contestants being in the dance-off two weeks running. But I think the odds would be quite long.”
“I am not good enough with maths to work out the statistical probability - actual dancing ability set aside - of two non-white contestants being in the dance-off two weeks running. But I think the odds would be quite long.”
Assume fifteen contestants at the start of whom four are non-white and all are of equal ability.
The probability that in Week 1 both dance off contestants are white is 11/15 x 10/14 = 0.52. Thus the probability that at least one is non white is 0.48 or 48%.
If one non- white contestant leaves in Week 1, there are fourteen left and three non-white.
The probability that both dance off contestants in Week 2 are white is now 11/14 x 10/13 = 0.6. The probability of at least one non white contestant in the dance off is therefore 0.4 or 40%.
The combined probability for both weeks is nineteen percent.
This does not however mean that there is an 81% chance that the voting is racist. That would be a misunderstanding of probability theory.
I am providing these numbers purely for those interested in the debate, on which I have no strong view one way or the other.
Darcy as right, Tameka was better than Laura in the dance off. Why have a danceoff in the first place.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“To be fair though, quite a lot of mixed-race people prefer to align themselves with a black identity than with a mixed or white identity.
I suppose that is really a matter for the individual - and not something that others should decide for - or on behalf of them.”
“To be fair though, quite a lot of mixed-race people prefer to align themselves with a black identity than with a mixed or white identity.
I suppose that is really a matter for the individual - and not something that others should decide for - or on behalf of them.”
That's true. I wonder why that is. It's not like black people have it easy.
Originally Posted by digitalspyfan1:
“Yes, I think any celeb with true afro type black skin is voted out early. Ricky whathisface had paler black skin and he almost won. Alesha Dixon not pure black skin and she won! I believe the conspiracy theory about racist voting to take out the pure black skin celebs is true. 100 percent believe it!”
“Yes, I think any celeb with true afro type black skin is voted out early. Ricky whathisface had paler black skin and he almost won. Alesha Dixon not pure black skin and she won! I believe the conspiracy theory about racist voting to take out the pure black skin celebs is true. 100 percent believe it!”
But nobody votes anybody out. Even the judges vote to save, although as that is a one from two decision, that is the only vote that you could conceivably twist into a vote to eliminate.
To be honest, I didn't even notice this until I just read something about it on the BBC website. It didn't even cross my mind. I think it's just a coincidence. As mentioned, many black or mixed race contestants have done very well on the show previously.
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“What on earth is this black / less black/ mixed race / barely black nonsense ?
Gods sake people are people , some we like , some we dislike and some get on our last nerve
Tameke and Kellie Bright annoyed me in equal measure . They both irritated me both on the dancr floor and off it . Colour or shades of it never even crossed my mind
Shout out racism as loud as you like and sneer at people like me who deny it ever even enters our mind . It doesn't make you right or make you know what is in my head or indeed anyone elses”
“What on earth is this black / less black/ mixed race / barely black nonsense ?
Gods sake people are people , some we like , some we dislike and some get on our last nerve
Tameke and Kellie Bright annoyed me in equal measure . They both irritated me both on the dancr floor and off it . Colour or shades of it never even crossed my mind
Shout out racism as loud as you like and sneer at people like me who deny it ever even enters our mind . It doesn't make you right or make you know what is in my head or indeed anyone elses”
Absolutely no-one has done that.
This isn't about you. I have no idea why you think it is?
This astonishing injustice makes you wonder why the #blacklivesmatter protesters are wasting their time on the brutal Police and systemic oppression of black people in the western world and concentrate of a TV dance show that appeals to the white middle classes.
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“That's true. I wonder why that is. It's not like black people have it easy.”
“That's true. I wonder why that is. It's not like black people have it easy.”
Well clearly Melvin and Tameka haven't.
They have truly suffered.
Originally Posted by Menk:
“Absolutely no-one has done that.
This isn't about you. I have no idea why you think it is?”
“Absolutely no-one has done that.
This isn't about you. I have no idea why you think it is?
”
What isn't about me ? This thread is about people and our choices ? In fact one post is very much about people being in denial about our inner stereotyping
Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“Well clearly Melvin and Tameka haven't.
They have truly suffered.”
“Well clearly Melvin and Tameka haven't.
They have truly suffered.”
Yes, both horribly oppressed and subjugated under the cosh of the ruling white elites...
.... or something.
Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“Well clearly Melvin and Tameka haven't.
They have truly suffered.”
“Well clearly Melvin and Tameka haven't.
They have truly suffered.”
I meant in everyday life, not on Strictly.
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“I meant in everyday life, not on Strictly.”
“I meant in everyday life, not on Strictly.”
Try watching the Reggie Yates documentary on BBC1 to,see real suffering that black people have to endure, on a daily basis.
Not a couple of minor celebs who danced poorly and got knocked out of a tv reality show.
To cry racism demeans the true reality of what real people suffer.
In the US the cops have declare war on people of colour and are killing them for the hell of it. That is what matters not this irrelevant fluff..
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“What isn't about me ? This thread is about people and our choices ? In fact one post is very much about people being in denial about our inner stereotyping”
“What isn't about me ? This thread is about people and our choices ? In fact one post is very much about people being in denial about our inner stereotyping”
I think that is a massive misinterpretation. The thread is about whether there is an element of racism in the voting.
Don't worry, you are not the only one to interpret it as such - the thread has been littered with posters denying any racism in their personal voting pattern. As if it proves anything in the general voting pattern!
Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“I meant in everyday life, not on Strictly.”
“I meant in everyday life, not on Strictly.”
#blackstrictlydancersmatter
As a black actor Tameka is less likely to be considered for a range of roles than a white actor
https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...characters-bfi
https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...characters-bfi
Originally Posted by Sarahsaurus:
“Assume fifteen contestants at the start of whom four are non-white and all are of equal ability.
The probability that in Week 1 both dance off contestants are white is 11/15 x 10/14 = 0.52. Thus the probability that at least one is non white is 0.48 or 48%.
If one non- white contestant leaves in Week 1, there are fourteen left and three non-white.
The probability that both dance off contestants in Week 2 are white is now 11/14 x 10/13 = 0.6. The probability of at least one non white contestant in the dance off is therefore 0.4 or 40%.
The combined probability for both weeks is nineteen percent.
This does not however mean that there is an 81% chance that the voting is racist. That would be a misunderstanding of probability theory.
I am providing these numbers purely for those interested in the debate, on which I have no strong view one way or the other.”
“Assume fifteen contestants at the start of whom four are non-white and all are of equal ability.
The probability that in Week 1 both dance off contestants are white is 11/15 x 10/14 = 0.52. Thus the probability that at least one is non white is 0.48 or 48%.
If one non- white contestant leaves in Week 1, there are fourteen left and three non-white.
The probability that both dance off contestants in Week 2 are white is now 11/14 x 10/13 = 0.6. The probability of at least one non white contestant in the dance off is therefore 0.4 or 40%.
The combined probability for both weeks is nineteen percent.
This does not however mean that there is an 81% chance that the voting is racist. That would be a misunderstanding of probability theory.
I am providing these numbers purely for those interested in the debate, on which I have no strong view one way or the other.”
You don't give any calculation for the combined probability or any explanation of the calculations you give for each week. But in any case assuming they're all of equal ability already ruins it as a way to think about what happens in SCD.
Originally Posted by Menk:
“I think that is a massive misinterpretation. The thread is about whether there is an element of racism in the voting.
Don't worry, you are not the only one to interpret it as such - the thread has been littered with posters denying any racism in their personal voting pattern. As if it proves anything in the general voting pattern!”
“I think that is a massive misinterpretation. The thread is about whether there is an element of racism in the voting.
Don't worry, you are not the only one to interpret it as such - the thread has been littered with posters denying any racism in their personal voting pattern. As if it proves anything in the general voting pattern!”
Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I can certainly state without fear of contradiction that there is no racism in MY voting pattern... as I have never voted for anyone in any series of Strictly in my life - and I don't see that changing anytime soon!
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