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Is Strictly voting a little bit racist?
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Mystical123
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Hmm, maybe. But Tameka was finalist material, out in week 3. I can think of that happening a couple of times, never to white people. I'm not saying she would've definitely made the final, but she had enough talent to get there.”

Tameka was nowhere near finalist material, she wasn't good enough to have even made Blackpool, let alone the final. And she was incredibly annoying in my opinion (and that of many others), so she was clearly a love/hate contestant. That has nothing to do with ethnicity.

And Melvin was far and away the worst dancer.
jill1812
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“It wasn't that I didn't consider race a factor - consider doesn't come into it. Race most definitely wasn't a factor.

As for discounting that no-one else does, I don't. But in order for there to be a racist effect on the outcome of voting to keep people IN a competition, it must be that the majority are racist, and I don't believe that. In fact I think it's quite insulting to suggest that the majority are racist.”

Not really, I'm saying it could take someone from third bottom to second bottom, or from first to second, that wouldn't need a majority.
jill1812
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by norbitonite:
“You are obviously so convinced that racial bias is a decisive factor in people's voting choices that you are unwilling/unable to take on board any counter-arguments.”

No, I think there are lots of reasons people vote the way they do, I just don't think you can discount racial bias, or gender bias for that matter.

The people who vote in Strictly are part of society, if something exists in society it'll exist in Strictly voting. That goes for positives as well as negatives.
bornfree
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Tameka was nowhere near finalist material, she wasn't good enough to have even made Blackpool, let alone the final. And she was incredibly annoying in my opinion (and that of many others), so she was clearly a love/hate contestant. That has nothing to do with ethnicity.

And Melvin was far and away the worst dancer.”

He was denied the DO. Who know what could have happened!
Mystical123
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“He was denied the DO. Who know what could have happened!”

That's irrelevant to whether he was a good dancer or not (and indeed was perfectly within the rules of the show) - Anastacia clearly showed more rhythm than he had, and produced a perfectly passable ballroom the week after whereas Melvin's was dire.
bornfree
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“That's irrelevant to whether he was a good dancer or not (and indeed was perfectly within the rules of the show) - Anastacia clearly showed more rhythm than he had, and produced a perfectly passable ballroom the week after whereas Melvin's was dire.”

Still he should have been given the opportunity to do the DO. Dire or not dire doesn't come into it. If the rules had been changed no one knew.
Monaogg
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“Still he should have been given the opportunity to do the DO. Dire or not dire doesn't come into it. If the rules had been changed no one knew.”

So should all the couples who went out on the years with no dance off need to come back, as they too were denied a chance to win the judges over? Even though they clearly did not have public support.
bornfree
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“So should all the couples who went out on the years with no dance off need to come back, as they too were denied a chance to win the judges over? Even though they clearly did not have public support.”

We are not talking about previous dancers. We are talking about the current SCD. Have the rules been changed? Why did the previous contestants not have a DO. So what if they didn't have the public support, the DO might have given them the opportunity to shine.
Monaogg
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“We are not talking about previous dancers. We are talking about the current SCD. Have the rules been changed? Why did the previous contestants not have a DO. So what if they didn't have the public support, the DO might have given them the opportunity to shine.”

I prefer the straight public decision on who leaves. Far less opportunity to claim judges bias.

Seems very cruel to keep someone in who does not have public support, over someone who has more public support.
bornfree
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I prefer the straight public decision on who leaves. Far less opportunity to claim judges bias.

Seems very cruel to keep someone in who does not have public support, over someone who has more public support.”

Poor Melvin. The look on his face. It was so hurtful. Is it going to be the same all the time that when someone is injured, the DO will be called off?
Mystical123
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“Still he should have been given the opportunity to do the DO. Dire or not dire doesn't come into it. If the rules had been changed no one knew.”

The rules hadn't been changed.
musicangel
16-10-2016
No the dancers to go were the poorest on the night... Apart from ed..
skp20040
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“We are not talking about previous dancers. We are talking about the current SCD. Have the rules been changed? Why did the previous contestants not have a DO. So what if they didn't have the public support, the DO might have given them the opportunity to shine.”

The Dance Off did not exist until series 5 then it lasted until series 7 and was axed and reinstated in series 10.
Hitstastic
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by musicangel:
“No the dancers to go were the poorest on the night... Apart from ed..”

If Ed Balls was black would be he through to week 5 of the competition?

It's interesting to see Melvin getting the chop without a dance off. Tameka was always going to be voted off when up against Laura - had Ed been in the bottom 2 that could've been a different story. Tonight the judges got rid of Naga over Anastacia, but Naga was the poorer of the two in the dance off.

I'll be absolutely gobsmacked if Ore went next week. I just don't see it happening with his last two weeks. Ore has got massive potential to make the final if he keeps up his high level of danceability.
Neil_N
16-10-2016
I'm sorry but it's looking dodgy. Naga was NOT the worst. Ed Balls probably has Yvette Cooper speed dialing and Judge Rinder has Theresa May voting for him with her worn out vagina.

It's time public voting was cut to 25% or even as low 10% to stop this happening. Give the judges more power to stop crap going through each week.
A.D.P
16-10-2016
The Great British public have got sympathy for the underdog, and keeping in embrassing people. John Sargent for example and Chris Parker. We also will take action on the one likely to go out.

Firstly SCD could make the top half safe, i.e. Immunity from the vote if your in the top half, this will make judges scores more worth going for, cutting rule breakers like illegal lifts, and keep the best dancers in. It will focus us viewers who vote on who really we should be voting for, and give a higher percentage chance of the bottom dancers going.

I.E. if you have say 7 to choose from rather than 14, then you may know your favourite is safe in the top half and then in the viewer vote, vote for the best dancer.

Ed balls is giving entertainment, like Judge Rinder, and Ken said he once gave advice to cut joking about, and they were out the next week.

Viewing stats show that some cultural backgrounds watch SCD less (Gaurdian article thus week) therefore that goes on that the celebrities with the same ethnic background will potentially get less votes unless they connect with a wider audience. Say like Ore.
21stCenturyBoy
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Hmm, maybe. But Tameka was finalist material, out in week 3. I can think of that happening a couple of times, never to white people. I'm not saying she would've definitely made the final, but she had enough talent to get there.

There are people in the U.K. who are racist, people of colour tell us that racism still goes on, so why wouldn't it affect Strictly voting. Not to the extent that no person of colour can ever do well, but maybe it's the difference between first and second or in the dance off and not in the dance off.

The only way Strictly couldn't be affected by racism is if it didn't exist. It does, so consciously or not, the show will be affected.”

Gabby Logan was definitely finalist material and was ousted on her third dance.
A.D.P
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by 21stCenturyBoy:
“Gabby Logan was definitely finalist material and was ousted on her third dance.”

Yes as viewers thought she was safe..
zolug
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by RichardSteward7:
“Two weeks gone and two black people off already. I strongly suspect there is a slight element of racism out there with the voting (not the judging) and black people don't (usually) get as far as perhaps they deserve unless they are really special as with Ramprakash and Dixon. IMO Natalie Gumede was clearly the best dancer in 2013 and had a lovely personality but still didn't win. Just my opinion and of course I could be wrong.”

Tumbleweed.
coppertop1
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Yes as viewers thought she was safe..”

So Gabby Logan is out because people thought she was safe and didn't vote, but Tameka was out because she is back but NOT because people thought she was safe.

Personally I vote for whom I want to see next week and I don't care what there colour is, in fact I have twice voted for someone green
bornfree
16-10-2016
Anastacia was not any better than her first attempt. Maybe the BBC need to keep her because she is high profile. Poor Naga made the most improvement despite the mistakes but hey she is out.
A.D.P
16-10-2016
From Brendan.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/strictl...ighting-truth/
skp20040
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_N:
“I'm sorry but it's looking dodgy. Naga was NOT the worst. Ed Balls probably has Yvette Cooper speed dialing and Judge Rinder has Theresa May voting for him with her worn out vagina.

It's time public voting was cut to 25% or even as low 10% to stop this happening. Give the judges more power to stop crap going through each week.”

To stop people voting for their favourites ? SCD has always been the same people vote for the ones they know better and like at the start and if the duff act is nice with it then they get the vote for a while . Voting on ability does seem to kick in later on when the troupe is whittled down.

Either you have the public vote or you don't (and we all know this is about popularity at the start and who is best known and may have a bigger fan base ) it didn't the first 4 years then they did and when they axed it people called for its return. What you are asking for is a token vote.

And if they want the votes to be direct comparisons on dancing ability each couple should dance the same dance as each other each week so a comparison can be made with more accuracy, you cannot compare a waltz with a jive.

And I didn't see anything dodgy at all, Ed should be in the bottom two but he is the novelty act and people vote for them and some deliberately set out to vote for novelty acts on other shows as well.
LaughingSock
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Hitstastic:
“If Ed Balls was black would be he through to week 5 of the competition?”

If he was still as ridiculous as he is now? Yes.
peterstone
16-10-2016
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37656439
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