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Is Strictly voting a little bit racist?
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slappers r us
10-10-2016
I havent ploughed through all the thread but I dont think the voting is racist

the first one out was a very crap to average IMO dancer who wasnt very entertaining

the second person out was a very average dancer IMO who was lucky to have two very characterful dances and who had a very divisive manner to her

the next to go IMO is Naga or ED

god forbid Naga goes or this forum will explode
londongirlGre
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“I havent ploughed through all the thread but I dont think the voting is racist

the first one out was a very crap to average IMO dancer who wasnt very entertaining

the second person out was a very average dancer IMO who was lucky to have two very characterful dances and who had a very divisive manner to her

the next to go IMO is Naga or ED

god forbid Naga goes or this forum will explode”

I don't think that Ed will leave anytime soon. Everyone loves him because despite him not being a great dancer, he's throwing himself into Strictly.
mimi123456
10-10-2016
Yeah. We are all so racist. Let's all vote for Ore to be booted out next week followed by Naga and then we may as well go for Oti too. Have I missed anyone?

Just kidding.

Melvyn went because he was not a good dancer. I don't think it was anything to do with race.

Sad that Tameka and Gorka went but it's a reality TV show. These things happen.
digitalspyfan1
10-10-2016
Yes, I think any celeb with true afro type black skin is voted out early. Ricky whathisface had paler black skin and he almost won. Alesha Dixon not pure black skin and she won! I believe the conspiracy theory about racist voting to take out the pure black skin celebs is true. 100 percent believe it!
funkycub
10-10-2016
As soon I saw Tameka had been voted out on the spoiler thread I knew this would be something that would come uo - it's happened before and of course now everything gets related back to Brexit.

After week one I said I thought Melvin would go. he wasn't a good dancer but also he didn't seem to be throwing himself into it like Ed. Melvin's departure was then obviously overshadowed by the whole dance off situation. He was in the bottom two as the weakest dancer but no doubt if the dance off had taken place he would have still gone home.

With Tameka, she always divides attention, on the soap forum she seems more disliked than liked. I meet Tameka a few years ago, she was at a karoeke night run by someone who was a friend of a friend and I sat with her. She is exactly like Kim the character she plays and in real life it actually works - however even though I have liked her since Beautiful Thing I can see how she has come across as someone not for everyone's taste on Strictly and I think that was her undoing.

I did think the knee thing with Tameka tonight was in poor taste. She was obviously making the point she was dancing with an injury but the nature of her injury is completely different to Anastasia's and I do think she should have thought that through.

What will keep this rumbling will be if Naga or Ore are in the bottom 2 next week. Naga deserves to be given how she is currently performing - so it would be less of an impact. However if Ore as the final black contestant is - then things will explode!
pasodabble
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“I think it's hard to argue that unconscious bias doesn't play a part in the way people vote on Strictly. And race is obviously going to be involved in that as one of those unconscious biases. It's nothing new. I very much doubt there is any significant conscious racist voting in Strictly - even any at all - but it's just silly to insist that race plays no part at all in voting patterns.

The bookies certainly know this. You only have to look at the odds they lay out before reality series even begin.

I know it's hard to admit to yourself that your likes and dislikes may, in ways you're not consciously aware of, have something to do with race (or other biases), especially when you don't consider yourself in any way a prejudiced person, but y'know. Sometimes, it just does. Despite your best intentions. That's why it's better to air the point than to get annoyed and shut it down because you feel personally injured by the accusation.

(I actually voted for Tameka this week and this was one of the reasons.)”

Excellent post.

One can't help wondering why some people get so defensive about this matter.
What name??
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I agree. I think this topic is a valid one, but it does get very defensive reaction. Also it is complicated as you need to make an overall assessment as to whether each celeb got as far as one would have expected based on ability and that's a fairly subjective judgement. There have been three standouts for me, Colin Jackson, Denise Lewis and Alesha Dixon. (Maybe also Ricky Whittle.) They all did well although Denise did hit the bottom two fairly early on. I think it might be the black celebs of middling ability who perhaps don't last as long as one might expect.”

Or it could be that in order for a black person to win they have to be substantially better than. The competition to offset racial bias. that means some black people can do well but they will, of course, still always have to prove them self in a way others don't - be less threatening, less loud, less outgoing, less black (mixed race or VT that they are mainstream) - to counteract stereotypes about black people.
roddydogs
10-10-2016
Its all due to Brexit! Ha Ha.
Tommo781
10-10-2016
Is this thread for real? I think it was potentially racist to even start such a discussion.
JohnStannard
10-10-2016
don't think so
hilary2329
10-10-2016
In the papers today Tameka is playing the "I was injured but still took my place in the dance off unlike Anastasia" card !!!!!
Really? She was mid table and didn't get enough votes and then was voted off by 3 out of 4 judges - simples!!
sunnymeg
10-10-2016
When the series started, there were three contestants I'd never heard of and all three ha been in the dance off. Gorka is a new pro and has had no time to build up a fanbase equivalent to that of the other pros. Tameka was midtable and probably annoyed some viewers when she interrupted Ore and Joanne. Melvin seemed nice enough but I knew nothing about him and so I expect he was unknown to a proportion of the strictly audience.
pete137
10-10-2016
I had'nt even noticed.........Until "certain" people started mentioning it.
Ann_Dancer
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“I think it's hard to argue that unconscious bias doesn't play a part in the way people vote on Strictly. And race is obviously going to be involved in that as one of those unconscious biases. It's nothing new. I very much doubt there is any significant conscious racist voting in Strictly - even any at all - but it's just silly to insist that race plays no part at all in voting patterns.

The bookies certainly know this. You only have to look at the odds they lay out before reality series even begin.

I know it's hard to admit to yourself that your likes and dislikes may, in ways you're not consciously aware of, have something to do with race (or other biases), especially when you don't consider yourself in any way a prejudiced person, but y'know. Sometimes, it just does. Despite your best intentions. That's why it's better to air the point than to get annoyed and shut it down because you feel personally injured by the accusation.

(I actually voted for Tameka this week and this was one of the reasons.)”

Good post!

Of course programmes like GBBO and Apprentice, which were mentioned earlier in this thread, are not comparable because there is no viewer voting.
Sandra Bee
10-10-2016
I think it's so sad that a light entertainment show like 'Strictly' that millions of people enjoy has generated such a discussion.

Can't anything be enjoyed without people detecting non-existent undertones in it.

It's unbelievable, it really is.
Alleycat666
10-10-2016
Short answer - no! Tameka is a victim of 2 things, neither of them is racism.

1 - Middle-of-the-board-itis - she was high enough that people thought she'd be ok so they voted for those below who they thought needed it more - and probably also thought she'd get the Eastenders vote which would keep her safe.

2 - Tied-scores-itis - there were so many ties on Saturday, that Ed (at the bottom) had only 4 points less than Laura (half way up) and that's always a recipe for a shock dance off.

Nothing racist in it at all - if that were the case then how has Naga progressed from a much more perilous place and how did Ore (who wasn't very far up last week) not end up in the DO?
Alleycat666
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“I havent ploughed through all the thread but I dont think the voting is racist

the first one out was a very crap to average IMO dancer who wasnt very entertaining

the second person out was a very average dancer IMO who was lucky to have two very characterful dances and who had a very divisive manner to her

the next to go IMO is Naga or ED

god forbid Naga goes or this forum will explode”

She actually had 3 'Acting' dances - Paso (which I thought was odd for week 1 anyway...), Charleston and Tango - never had to do Cha-Cha which personally I think is probably the worst Latin as there's nothing to it apart from Straight Knees and Hips. Would have been interesting to see how she got on with something which had no acting/character slant to it.
J.R
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by Sandra Bee:
“I think it's so sad that a light entertainment show like 'Strictly' that millions of people enjoy has generated such a discussion.

Can't anything be enjoyed without people detecting non-existent undertones in it.

It's unbelievable, it really is. ”

Totally agree with everything you said.
aggs
10-10-2016
I could be wrong - and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am - but didn't just last week Tameka win an award for her day job that had been voted for by the public?

I'm not sure, but I would imagine the Strictly/EastEnders cross over to be not insignificant so perhaps it might be worth wondering why she attracted the public vote for one and not so much for the other - could it be as simple as the fact she is good at her day job but not so good at the dancing?
donna255
10-10-2016
I vote for who I want no matter what their sex, age or colour or their skin.

I thought Melvin was awful, never watch Eastenders so Tameka to me was a comedy actress having a laugh.

Ori is fabulous and could win as far as I am concern. Yet people on here love Laura I don't rate her that much. The other year Abbey who I adored was dismissed as a WAG on here by many. The picked at everything she did as not a winner. (Fill In Name) was robbed is the usual battle cry on Digital Spy Strictly every year.

People on here seem to take it very personal if their favourite is voted off. Its a entertainment show simple.
londongirlGre
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“Good post!

Of course programmes like GBBO and Apprentice, which were mentioned earlier in this thread, are not comparable because there is no viewer voting.”

That's true, I forgot about that when I wrote my post mentioning those shows.
coppertop1
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I could be wrong - and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am - but didn't just last week Tameka win an award for her day job that had been voted for by the public?

I'm not sure, but I would imagine the Strictly/EastEnders cross over to be not insignificant so perhaps it might be worth wondering why she attracted the public vote for one and not so much for the other - could it be as simple as the fact she is good at her day job but not so good at the dancing?”

Your not wrong Aggs she did indeed win at the job she is good at.

If anything if anyone is guilty of an ( unconscious )bias based on race shall we accuse the judges?

Oh no we can't because of Jamellia last year.
Sarah777
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Or it could be that in order for a black person to win they have to be substantially better than. The competition to offset racial bias. that means some black people can do well but they will, of course, still always have to prove them self in a way others don't - be less threatening, less loud, less outgoing, less black (mixed race or VT that they are mainstream) - to counteract stereotypes about black people.”

Good morning, What name?? What colour?? What???.

I do agree with you. Firstly let me say, I have voted for Mark R, Natalie G ( still haven't got over her Not winning), Colin J, Alesha D and Ricky W. I wanted all these to win and only two won. Please forgive me if it's not PC, I have noticed that only good looking people seem to win Strictly, shows how shallow we are in this country. Most of all, If you are Black ( can I say it ??) and average looking, no hope in hell of anyone surviving in Strictly. This coming from an average looking white person.

For me, Tameka reminded me of Lisa, public loved loud Lisa and not Tameka, may be some truth in your theory. The moment you bring up the race card, some people become defensive. I am happy to discuss and I have proven in the past that colour doesn't matter to me.
Leicester_Hunk
10-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“Good post!

Of course programmes like GBBO and Apprentice, which were mentioned earlier in this thread, are not comparable because there is no viewer voting.”

Compare the X Factor - there has been one black winner, one mixed race, the rest as far as I know have all been white.

They have viewer voting.
marieantoinette
10-10-2016
Does anyone think Tameka was a fantastic dancer? Or Melvin? Then there might be a case that it was biased? This happens every year to every type of person.
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