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No Nougat for 2015 Moto G
The Sack
11-10-2016
Seems a bit tight of Lenovo to leave the 2015 Moto G at the same level as the 2014 Moto G.

Not got one myself but the missus has and it has been a great phone, just a shame support was dropped so soon.
Cloudane
11-10-2016
*adds Moto to the list of phones not to buy*

This list is getting pretty long (like at this rate it's going to be a case of throwing in the towel and switching back to dumbphones) - it'd be nice if someone other than Apple would treat their users in a way that doesn't suck (even that's arguable - see touch disease)
Faust
11-10-2016
I think the whole Android eco system needs a really good shake up. Manufacturers are treating their customers badly when it comes to OS cycle support. The attitude appears to be that once the phone is sold the OEM couldn't care less and have their eye on selling you the next upgrade in just 12 months time.
LostFool
11-10-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“I think the whole Android eco system needs a really good shake up. Manufacturers are treating their customers badly when it comes to OS cycle support. The attitude appears to be that once the phone is sold the OEM couldn't care less and have their eye on selling you the next upgrade in just 12 months time. ”

On the other hand I would guess that many Android users at the bottom to middle end of the market couldn't care less what version of the OS they have.
Faust
11-10-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“On the other hand I would guess that many Android users at the bottom to middle end of the market couldn't care less what version of the OS they have.”

Why would you say that? Are you saying if you pay less money then you don't care about security etc.
Cloudane
11-10-2016
Can't see it having a good shake-up for a while, after it just had a bad one (I.e. the Pixel increasing fragmentation)
Heanor_Man31
11-10-2016
I did find it weird a Samsung J3 my friend had for a fortnight that was released in early 2016 was still running Android L with no plans by Samsung to upgrade it to at least Android M.

That's one thing I've never really liked about Android full stop... if you're lucky you might get two years' worth of updates in terms of OS otherwise you might be really unlucky and never receive an update full stop (short of installing your own custom ROM).
blueisthecolour
11-10-2016
Ok . . . . I seen these posts quite a bit now about 'unsupported' Android phones so have to ask what the big issue is?

I can see that it's annoying that you wouldn't get the latest features but really they are minimal changes now for each version. They basically alter how the settings work each time, do some stuff in the background, add in a function you will never use and that's it.

I appreciate that there may be an issue with certain apps not working on older versions of Android - but I can't imagine that developers would deliberately design programs that can't be used on lots of phones.

And lastly there is the security issue - which I personally think is completely overblown. What are the odds of you getting your phone hacked - 1% . . . . . .0.1% . . . . . . 0.01%? It's like saying that you need to upgrade your front door every year in case the robbers develop new lock picking technology.
The Sack
14-10-2016
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“Ok . . . . I seen these posts quite a bit now about 'unsupported' Android phones so have to ask what the big issue is?”

I can only speak for myself but in my opinion a phone that you can still buy brand new should still be supported. It isn't unreasonable to expect support for 12 months once a device is discontinued surely?
jonmorris
14-10-2016
When Lenovo took over, they promised they wouldn't mess up Motorola but look at what they're doing.

When Google had it, the Moto G was getting updates quicker than some Nexus devices!

It's so mad that Google now wants to make its own handsets, and include features that are kept from other models, and it had to go to HTC to make them because it sold a company that had the expertise to do exactly what it wanted.
Cloudane
14-10-2016
They're all different divisions at Lenovo but similar happened when they took over IBM's PC business. Promised not to mess it up, then almost immediately Apple-ified their Thinkpads. BUT after a few iterations and enough wailing and gnashing of teeth from fans, eventually they understood their customers, reversed course, put physical mouse buttons back etc and are arguably as good as they were before again. This may happen with the mobile division yet, but it could take a few years.
david16
14-10-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“On the other hand I would guess that many Android users at the bottom to middle end of the market couldn't care less what version of the OS they have.”

It's what you can afford at the end of the day, and many will buy second hand or older phones with android OS of < 5.0 which can't be upgraded to 5.0 and above.

And many will be keeping or have kept their older OS android phones for as long as possible. For a lot longer than 12 to 24 months that's for sure.

I'm happy with my Samsung Galaxy S3 and I've had it for 3.5 years.
TelevisionUser
14-10-2016
Originally Posted by The Sack:
“Seems a bit tight of Lenovo to leave the 2015 Moto G at the same level as the 2014 Moto G.

Not got one myself but the missus has and it has been a great phone, just a shame support was dropped so soon.”

Yep, and that attitude to drop android update support for perfectly good phones is helping to produce android version fragmentation. They (the manufacturers) are just not bothering. If you're lucky, you might just get two years' worth of android version updates.
heidtheba
14-10-2016
Read this in another forum today, and they're laying the blame for their brand at Google's door.

Quote:
“Hi,

I regret to tell you but Google doesn't support the MediaTek MT6753 SoC (used in UMi Iron, Iron Pro, Rome and Touch) in the Android 7 build, so UMi is not able to release an official Android 7 upgrade for UMi Touch until Google doesn't extend the list of supported SoC platforms with that processor. So, unfortunately that state, UMi Touch can handle Android 7 is not true in fact. It would be capable but is currently not able. That's a different story if someone is able to port the ROM of another device, so please don't mention custom ROMs as examples.”

Orbitalzone
14-10-2016
I wonder if it's more profitable to lose a certain percentage of customers who are annoyed at the lack of updates and won't buy another Lenovo phone versus the customers that'll just buy a new phone every 18 months? many people now do buy phones very regularly.

Sadly there seems little interest in providing support for phones that are no longer being sold, they don't earn any more money by doing this so they don't bother.
Everything Goes
14-10-2016
Premium Android phones from the likes of Samsung or LG will get 2 years of software updates. Even Google have reduced the amount of updates down to 2 years for their overpriced Pixel phones. The problem is if Google don't care then no one else will. They have pretty much given up on trying to fix Android fragmentation. Everyone knows, nobody cares.

You will get 4 to 5 years updates with an iPhone.

If OS updates are important to you then the path is obvious.
Michael09
15-10-2016
Reading this I breathe a small sigh of relief. Updates always promising optimisations and improvements are usually met with worse performance and battery life, in my case anyway.
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