I know she died, but where was the bit about her dying in a fire? I didn't spot that.
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Originally Posted by Andy-B:
“That's how I'm reading it. The original kidnapping isn't a timeline in the drama, it's an event in the distant past.”
“That's how I'm reading it. The original kidnapping isn't a timeline in the drama, it's an event in the distant past.”
Me too, given its about her return.
Originally Posted by JeffG1:
“I know she died, but where was the bit about her dying in a fire? I didn't spot that.”
“I know she died, but where was the bit about her dying in a fire? I didn't spot that.”
That was never mentioned in the show.
Originally Posted by G3rol:
“I didn't get anything from all those pictures in the spoiler, except how much he loves himself
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“I didn't get anything from all those pictures in the spoiler, except how much he loves himself
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Thank you
Originally Posted by JeffG1:
“I know she died, but where was the bit about her dying in a fire? I didn't spot that.”
“I know she died, but where was the bit about her dying in a fire? I didn't spot that.”
Originally Posted by martin2345uk:
“That was never mentioned in the show.”
“That was never mentioned in the show.”
Then where does this come from?
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Alice (or Sophie) died a few weeks after returning in December of 2014 in what looks to have been a fire in which her father was involved.”
“Alice (or Sophie) died a few weeks after returning in December of 2014 in what looks to have been a fire in which her father was involved.”
Originally Posted by JeffG1:
“I know she died, but where was the bit about her dying in a fire? I didn't spot that.”
“I know she died, but where was the bit about her dying in a fire? I didn't spot that.”
That was my theory a few pages back.
Originally Posted by JeffG1:
“Then where does this come from?”
“Then where does this come from?”
That Alice(or Sophie) died in a fire is pure speculation. The truth is, we just don't know: she might've; she might not have. What we do know is that the father (Sam) has burns on his back and neck. We don't know how that happened. We also know that Matty (Sam's son; Alice's brother) will not forgive his father for something he did. We don't know what Sam did and why Matty refuses to forgive him for it. This might have something to do with the fire and Sam's failure to save Alice, but the truth is we don't know. The story has yet to reveal these things if they are true.
Originally Posted by Mitu_Pappi:
“This non stop time shift is done for effect....somehow writers think it makes the story more important nteresting if they keep the viewer confused.....yes some viewers think story is better because they cant understand.
In a nutshell. Alice arrived back in 2014. She died sometime after 2014.
In present day Julien is in Iraq looking for the black soldier who is connected in some way.
In 2014 Alice brother was not on drugs. After her death he got hooked into drugs
Dad probably got burnt trying to save daughter.
Son probably knows of black soldiers involvement hence he chased the woman in the supermarket car park. She was shown at the funeral of the soldiers father.
Mum and dad still living together. Dad started shagging the sgt before or soon after she got involved in the case of Alice when she returned. When Julien visited the camp in Germany sgt was 7 months preggers.
Rest is padding. For eg the chase in the Iraqi street.”
“This non stop time shift is done for effect....somehow writers think it makes the story more important nteresting if they keep the viewer confused.....yes some viewers think story is better because they cant understand.
In a nutshell. Alice arrived back in 2014. She died sometime after 2014.
In present day Julien is in Iraq looking for the black soldier who is connected in some way.
In 2014 Alice brother was not on drugs. After her death he got hooked into drugs
Dad probably got burnt trying to save daughter.
Son probably knows of black soldiers involvement hence he chased the woman in the supermarket car park. She was shown at the funeral of the soldiers father.
Mum and dad still living together. Dad started shagging the sgt before or soon after she got involved in the case of Alice when she returned. When Julien visited the camp in Germany sgt was 7 months preggers.
Rest is padding. For eg the chase in the Iraqi street.”
Here. I speculated
^^ I don't blame you for attempting to get ahead of the game. There have so many mystery dramas of late (usually psychological thrillers/mysteries) that are packed full of kind of red herring 'mystery', the denoucement often disappoints. I don't mind mysteries that don't tie up every loose strand yet leave you will a narrative story you can make some meaning out of - in fact I prefer those kinds of stories. It is ones which are mystery for mystery sake whose ending is utter pants - i.e. One of Us and Marcella. Or if it is books - Gone Girl and anything by Sophie Hannah!
Originally Posted by Nihonga:
“That Alice(or Sophie) died in a fire is pure speculation. The truth is, we just don't know: she might've; she might not have. What we do know is that the father (Sam) has burns on his back and neck. We don't know how that happened. We also know that Matty (Sam's son; Alice's brother) will not forgive his father for something he did. We don't know what Sam did and why Matty refuses to forgive him for it. This might have something to do with the fire and Sam's failure to save Alice, but the truth is we don't know. The story has yet to reveal these things if they are true.”
“That Alice(or Sophie) died in a fire is pure speculation. The truth is, we just don't know: she might've; she might not have. What we do know is that the father (Sam) has burns on his back and neck. We don't know how that happened. We also know that Matty (Sam's son; Alice's brother) will not forgive his father for something he did. We don't know what Sam did and why Matty refuses to forgive him for it. This might have something to do with the fire and Sam's failure to save Alice, but the truth is we don't know. The story has yet to reveal these things if they are true.”
The only other thing that comes to mind is dad's in therapy and can't return to his Regiment until he gets signed off. He doesn't think he's troubled.
The woman chased away n the Aldi carpark also seems a likely association with the death ..
I suppose, as an outside bet, he may have been burned at work - say, Iraq - because there has to be some reason for being out there and it could be linked to the military angle ...
Originally Posted by Andy-B:
“The only other thing that comes to mind is dad's in therapy and can't return to his Regiment until he gets signed off. He doesn't think he's troubled.
I suppose, as an outside bet, he may have been burned at work - say, Iraq - because there has to be some reason for being out there and it could be linked to the military angle ...”
“The only other thing that comes to mind is dad's in therapy and can't return to his Regiment until he gets signed off. He doesn't think he's troubled.
I suppose, as an outside bet, he may have been burned at work - say, Iraq - because there has to be some reason for being out there and it could be linked to the military angle ...”
Yes, thats a good one. Burned in Iraq where Danny the soldier is currently based too.
Originally Posted by Andy-B:
“That's how I'm reading it. The original kidnapping isn't a timeline in the drama, it's an event in the distant past.”
“That's how I'm reading it. The original kidnapping isn't a timeline in the drama, it's an event in the distant past.”
But it remains a significant part of the plot. It's where we first saw the tatoo, the camper van and Alice wandering alone down an empty road. The reason she had wandered off alone doesn't seem to have been explored yet, where was she going ?
I would love it to be the Oldboy revenge twist.
Problem at work and soldier seeking ultimate revenge on Webster family. Kidnaps young daughter. Then releases a impostor back to the family after many years. Impostor brain washed to commit suicide. Double whammy on the family. Like in film the perpetrator knows the of the horror of his actions and commits suicide too.
Problem at work and soldier seeking ultimate revenge on Webster family. Kidnaps young daughter. Then releases a impostor back to the family after many years. Impostor brain washed to commit suicide. Double whammy on the family. Like in film the perpetrator knows the of the horror of his actions and commits suicide too.
Originally Posted by Mitu_Pappi:
“Yes, thats a good one. Burned in Iraq where Danny the soldier is currently based too.”
“Yes, thats a good one. Burned in Iraq where Danny the soldier is currently based too.”
Except that in 2016 Baptiste described Danny as being a former soldier. By 2016 it seems that Danny has left the army.
Originally Posted by Mitu_Pappi:
“Yes, thats a good one. Burned in Iraq where Danny the soldier is currently based too.”
“Yes, thats a good one. Burned in Iraq where Danny the soldier is currently based too.”
But would they have sent him off to Iraq ? His daughter is found after 11 years, then almost immediately dies for reasons currently unknown. I can't see the army sending him abroad straight away, and they look to be old scars. My money would still be on a fire, with Dad getting badly burned trying to save his daughter.
As well as being really confused I can't stop thinking about the similarities between this and 'Thirteen'....
I can't be the only one?
I can't be the only one?
I think we can say it's about to become dissimilar e.g. this girl is dead - so maybe it was sort of similar for 35 minutes,
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“But would they have sent him off to Iraq ? His daughter is found after 11 years, then almost immediately dies for reasons currently unknown. I can't see the army sending him abroad straight away, and they look to be old scars. My money would still be on a fire, with Dad getting badly burned trying to save his daughter.”
“But would they have sent him off to Iraq ? His daughter is found after 11 years, then almost immediately dies for reasons currently unknown. I can't see the army sending him abroad straight away, and they look to be old scars. My money would still be on a fire, with Dad getting badly burned trying to save his daughter.”
Alice dies not long after she returned. When Baptiste turned up ath the hospital it was around Christmas time. Also in 2014 Danny's dad committed suicide on the 14th Dec. Alice dies on the 22nd Dec. So the 2014 timeline takes place between the 14th and 22nd (i.e. one week). So if the dad had some hand in her death, he wouldn't have got his burns in Iraq. He would still be getting treatment otherwise. And you say, I doubt he would've been deployed there under his family's current circumstances.
Originally Posted by cowgal:
“As well as being really confused I can't stop thinking about the similarities between this and 'Thirteen'....
I can't be the only one?”
“As well as being really confused I can't stop thinking about the similarities between this and 'Thirteen'....
I can't be the only one?”
Only in thirteen the girl did not die in the first episode.
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Maybe you got the 12 from the fact he died 22.12.2014
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“I must've read it wrong 'cos I thought the date on the coffin at the black guy's funeral was 2012”
“I must've read it wrong 'cos I thought the date on the coffin at the black guy's funeral was 2012”
Maybe you got the 12 from the fact he died 22.12.2014
Originally Posted by Mitu_Pappi:
“Here. I speculated”
“Here. I speculated”
Trouble is, your 'speculations' makes it look as though those things have actually happened, by the way you've written them.
Originally Posted by Mitu_Pappi:
“Only in thirteen the girl did not die in the first episode.”
“Only in thirteen the girl did not die in the first episode.”
It is not necessarily definite that Alice is dead yet.
Bump..........
Another intriguing Missing series to enjoy. I am looking forward to the next 7 weeks - plus reading this thread. It's my handy aide-memoire which will sprout many clever & ingenious ideas !!!
Happy viewing, All x
Another intriguing Missing series to enjoy. I am looking forward to the next 7 weeks - plus reading this thread. It's my handy aide-memoire which will sprout many clever & ingenious ideas !!!
Happy viewing, All x
Originally Posted by Mitu_Pappi:
“Wiki is giving conflicting info on number of episodes. It says 9 episodes in series 2.”
“Wiki is giving conflicting info on number of episodes. It says 9 episodes in series 2.”
And yet the Radio Times says 8. I know which one I believe.
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