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Little Mix Discussion Thread (Part 13)
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TheGraduate2012
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“Leigh Anne came back after hours and reprogrammed the Logic board. ”

She cashed in her I.O.Us for this album

Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“Its producer's choice, isnt it? Steve Mac had Perrie wailing all over Turn Your Face.”

Originally Posted by old mixer:
“Haven't the girls' said they automatically know who suits which part???

Thus the decisions are theirs???”

This is what confuses me because the girls insist that they are all for equality between the four of them, yet some songs barely feature at least one of them. Although, to be fair, they are A LOT better than most pop bands, which makes me think they have some say otherwise wouldn't producers surely push Perrie into being the lead singer?
felpcalibas
20-11-2016
sorry but what does Jesy sing on Power? Is she the one that "sings" after "my turn" I seriously can't tell if it's her or Leigh Anne... if it's Leigh then Jesy barely sings on the song
felpcalibas
20-11-2016
US signing dates
NY -15/12
Uncasville -17/2
Washington -27/2
Philadelphia -1/3
Hanover -3/3
Fullerton -30/3
casualviewer
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by felpcalibas:
“US signing dates
NY -15/12
Uncasville -17/2
Washington -27/2
Philadelphia -1/3
Hanover -3/3
Fullerton -30/3”

I can never get used to the European way of writing dates. I have to run a translator in my head.

Quote:
“This is what confuses me because the girls insist that they are all for equality between the four of them, yet some songs barely feature at least one of them. Although, to be fair, they are A LOT better than most pop bands, which makes me think they have some say otherwise wouldn't producers surely push Perrie into being the lead singer?”

This sort of ties into my thoughts about the 90s versus today. In the old days probably they would have pushed Perrie, but this isnt SAW or Xenomania style anymore. In fact back then, there would have been 1 or more members sort of "hidden" on tracks but I've never found this to be the case with LM. Some get more air time than others on various songs, but you always hear all of them.
felpcalibas
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“I can never get used to the European way of writing dates. I have to run a translator in my head.”

I think this is the way almost everywhere haha, which countries do it MM/DD besides the US?
casualviewer
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by felpcalibas:
“I think this is the way almost everywhere haha, which countries do it MM/DD besides the US?”

I meant, it all originated from when Northern European countries were colonizing the world. I caused some confusion on my last project when I used the American way of citing dates on the titleblock. ( 3/12, is it March 12 or Dec. 3?)
felpcalibas
20-11-2016
oh I see!

SOTME is doing well after a month isn't it? still charting in a lot of countries. even if its not really high, it's there, don't remember BM being like this...

also been seeing some people from different cities mentioning the song being played in clubs here and people knowing the lyrics, even though they're probably gay parties, it's good it's being played
casualviewer
20-11-2016
I'm worried because the song is 50/50 on the biggest Spotify Playlist, Today's Top Hits which has 11 million subscribers. I dont know what happens if it gets dropped out of that one as its the Big Kahuna.

If Columbia still says nothing on its radio flyer, then I dont know what the Today Show performance is for because I cant see them just dropping a new unknown song on the US like that.
TheGraduate2012
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“I can never get used to the European way of writing dates. I have to run a translator in my head.”

The RIGHT way, you mean?

Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“This sort of ties into my thoughts about the 90s versus today. In the old days probably they would have pushed Perrie, but this isnt SAW or Xenomania style anymore. In fact back then, there would have been 1 or more members sort of "hidden" on tracks but I've never found this to be the case with LM. Some get more air time than others on various songs, but you always hear all of them.”

I definitely agree. You have always been able to differentiate the four voices of LM on each album (bar the occasional LA/Jade confusion) even if some members take the lead more than others. There's no girl constantly singing just back-up. A lot of 90s bands just had 2/3 members as window dressings.
casualviewer
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“ There's no girl constantly singing just back-up. A lot of 90s bands just had 2/3 members as window dressings.”

I've always found that really weird. There's usually hundreds auditioning for the group, they really couldnt find people who can sing and dance and look the part? Really? That uneven treatment was what usually caused a lot of discontent leading to a group's breakup. Why build in the fractures from the start?
TheGraduate2012
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“I've always found that really weird. There's usually hundreds auditioning for the group, they really couldnt find people who can sing and dance and look the part? Really? That uneven treatment was what usually caused a lot of discontent leading to a group's breakup. Why build in the fractures from the start?”

Agree completely. There must be millions up to the job out there. It seems like pure laziness. Even when you look back at GA's formation on Popstars, only Nadine and Nicola gave passable vocal auditions and yet all the judges commented on was how great the girls looked. It's pathetic. Of course, the most ridiculous example of this is PCD, which was created purely for the purpose of pushing Nicole's career.

Although, interestingly, the SG's were fairly even solo-wise (except Posh) and Mel C and Emma probably sang the most, but it was more that Geri and Mel B's massive egos tore the group apart.

I think that is, and will continue to be, LM's key to success - they are all talented and no one girl overshadows the rest.
casualviewer
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“and no one girl overshadows the rest.”

I'm going to be very realistic here. The group is very lucky that Perrie doesnt have a personality like a Geri or Diana Ross because she is far and away the most popular of the group with fans and the press. Its very obvious. Fortunately she is more like Emma.
Bluestone
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“Leigh Anne came back after hours and reprogrammed the Logic board.

Its producer's choice, isnt it? Steve Mac had Perrie wailing all over Turn Your Face.”

Well the producers are now showing Jesy some love. She started and sang almost half a song on GW and the same on GD.
No producer would give Leigh-Anne a min and half like that.
I raised an eyebrow that she was given more than 30 secs during Lightning.
Her voice was great for the tone of that song though...
TheGraduate2012
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“I'm going to be very realistic here. The group is very lucky that Perrie doesnt have a personality like a Geri or Diana Ross because she is far and away the most popular of the group with fans and the press. Its very obvious. Fortunately she is more like Emma.”

I agree with you, CV. She's so easy-going. In fact, I think they ALL are in LM. So, no matter who had 'the best' voice, I can't see any of them being a diva. I literally can't imagine any of them starting drama.

It's funny that Geri and Mel B were the LEAST talented of SG (I still prefer Victoria's voice over theirs) but the biggest divas. I actually Geri was quite sweet but with a big mouth and a constant need for attention. She certainly marketed the SG well and was a good spokesperson for them. Jesy is similar to her in ways, but NOT a diva.

I think if Mel B had not been in the SG, there would've been less friction as she seems utterly horrible.
Bluestone
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“I'm going to be very realistic here. The group is very lucky that Perrie doesnt have a personality like a Geri or Diana Ross because she is far and away the most popular of the group with fans and the press. Its very obvious. Fortunately she is more like Emma.”

She's definitely the Press' favourite which has had the effect over the last 5 years of putting her more in the spot light to then appeal to more of the fans.
Without the whole Zayn thing (practically at the outset of their journey), I'm not sure she would have been the favourite save for the fact that this is more likely on account of being the white and blonde one.
I do feel that this season they have tried to push her as the spokewomen with her doing all the links for tv and instagram etc. Or maybe that's because she's more likely to volunteer than the other. Jade and Jesy and maybe even Leigh-Anne may be cooler, more reserved on those things. Indeed this is a group where the girls are probably not bothered and not competing with each other in that way.

On that note, I've always wondered with girl groups when they go on late night talk shows, if they are told where to sit, so as one girl might be closer to the host for more chatting with that girl. If so that would surely mean all the girls know what's going on and that a particular girl is being pushed forward, right.
casualviewer
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by Bluestone:
“Without the whole Zayn thing (practically at the outset of their journey), I'm not sure she would have been the favourite save for the fact that this is more likely on account of being the white and blonde one.
I do feel that this season they have tried to push her as the spokewomen with her doing all the links for tv and instagram etc. Or maybe that's because she's more likely to volunteer than the other. Jade and Jesy and maybe even Leigh-Anne may be cooler, more reserved on those things. Indeed this is a group where the girls are probably not bothered and not competing with each other in that way.”

Nah she was being highlighted since Week 5-6 on XF. Notice she was the only one of LM with any lines in that charity single they did. She had most of the singing on Cannonball, and did most of the singing on the Final weekend.

Jesy was actually leading most of the interviews this go round until she broke up with Jake. She's been a clam pretty much since they went to Australia.
TheGraduate2012
21-11-2016
Maybe it's just me, but doesn't Jade get a lot more love from the fans? As Bluestone says, Perrie gets a lot of media attention, especially in America where they are basically Zayn's Ex and her Backing Singers, but with the fans, I'm not sure, they all seem pretty even.
Bluestone
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“I agree with you, CV. She's so easy-going. In fact, I think they ALL are in LM. So, no matter who had 'the best' voice, I can't see any of them being a diva. I literally can't imagine any of them starting drama.”

Indeed. I think i read an interview where they talked about how they never had any desires to compete with each other.

The fact that Leigh-Anne has openly talked about her self esteem issues about her voice with us and therefore most likely with her bandmates adds to this notion that this is not a group of butting heads.

Kinda makes me feel the same about The Saturdays who continue to be friends. Frankie talked about feeling inadequate vocally against the others and Vanessa did too towards the end. Rochelle seemed happy to refer to Vanessa as their lead singer earlier on when she probably was.

Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“I It's funny that Geri and Mel B were the LEAST talented of SG (I still prefer Victoria's voice over theirs) but the biggest divas. I actually Geri was quite sweet but with a big mouth and a constant need for attention. She certainly marketed the SG well and was a good spokesperson for them. Jesy is similar to her in ways, but NOT a diva.

I think if Mel B had not been in the SG, there would've been less friction as she seems utterly horrible.”

So so true.
Bluestone
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“Nah she was being highlighted since Week 5-6 on XF. Notice she was the only one of LM with any lines in that charity single they did. She had most of the singing on Cannonball, and did most of the singing on the Final weekend.
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Oh I know that. I guess I'm not counting the X factor weeks. They tend to execute a diferent plan then just to get through to the net round an the act is not really an act for me until post show when they get to decide the act they wanna be and songs they wanna see.

Look at 1D. Zayn only sang adlibs in the X Factor weeks, whereas Harry and Liam practically did all the solos on the show but post X factor a different plan ensued and it was very much Harry-Zayn-Liam leading the vocals.

If X factor had it's way Little Mix would have been Perrie and her Back up singers. I still get angry at Gary Barlow for constantly ribbing the girls for not letting Perrie sing even more of the X factor songs.
TheGraduate2012
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by Bluestone:
“Indeed. I think i read an interview where they talked about how they never had any desires to compete with each other.

The fact that Leigh-Anne has openly talked about her self esteem issues about her voice with us and therefore most likely with her bandmates adds to this notion that this is not a group of butting heads.”

So true. The girls were vehemently against appointing Perrie the leader singer right from when Gary Barlow suggested it on the XF. I'm so glad they've stuck to that. All that inadequacy of Leigh's comes from the haters and not from competing with her bandmates

Originally Posted by Bluestone:
“Kinda makes me feel the same about The Saturdays who continue to be friends. Frankie talked about feeling inadequate vocally against the others and Vanessa did too towards the end. Rochelle seemed happy to refer to Vanessa as their lead singer earlier on when she probably was.

So so true.”

You're right, other than LM, the Sats are a rare exception when it comes to pop group harmony. If we're honest, Vanessa probably was supposed to be the lead, backed up by Una and Rochelle, and Frankie and Molly fell more into 'window dressing territory' but at least they appeared to support each other. Unlike Girls Aloud, who were told from day one that Nadine would sing all their songs and the the others girls would be granted small vocal titbits around her. I'm honestly surprised there wasn't more tension in GA. Much like the SG it was a case of the least talented member being the biggest mouthpiece - Cheryl.
casualviewer
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“Maybe it's just me, but doesn't Jade get a lot more love from the fans? As Bluestone says, Perrie gets a lot of media attention, especially in America where they are basically Zayn's Ex and her Backing Singers, but with the fans, I'm not sure, they all seem pretty even.”

Perrie IG - 4.9m followers
Jade IG - 2.6m followers
Jesy IG - 2.1m followers
Leigh Anne IG - 2m followers

Quote:
“Unlike Girls Aloud, who were told from day one that Nadine would sing all their songs and the the others girls would be granted small vocal titbits around her.”

Really? I'm asking because I dont know too much about GA. Thats brutal.
TheGraduate2012
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by Bluestone:
“Look at 1D. Zayn only sang adlibs in the X Factor weeks, whereas Harry and Liam practically did all the solos on the show but post X factor a different plan ensued and it was very much Harry-Zayn-Liam leading the vocals.

If X factor had it's way Little Mix would have been Perrie and her Back up singers. I still get angry at Gary Barlow for constantly ribbing the girls for not letting Perrie sing even more of the X factor songs.”

Me too Coming from a pop band, he should be encouraging equality, not a hierarchy.

Is it just me, or if you're going to push forward 2/3 members in any band, then why even bother having any more?
Bluestone
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by casualviewer:
“Perrie IG - 4.9m followers
Jade IG - 2.6m followers
Jesy IG - 2.1m followers
Leigh Anne IG - 2m followers”

Sorry but you have to think of the Zayn effect. It's not an even battle ground.

Poor Leigh-Anne. She even got a head start on Jesy opening her instagram well before her and updating more (and with more than just boring couple shots with he bf or the time)
casualviewer
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by TheGraduate2012:
“Me too Coming from a pop band, he should be encouraging equality, not a hierarchy.”

Barlow is the one with the big ego and is the top dog in Take That isnt he?
casualviewer
21-11-2016
Originally Posted by Bluestone:
“Sorry but you have to think of the Zayn effect. It's not an even battle ground. Poor Leigh-Anne. She even got a head start on Jesy opening her instagram well before her and updating more (and with more than just boring couple shots)”

I am taking that into account. When the girls all had personal Twitter accounts and well before Mr. Z, Perrie had already amassed a quarter of a million followers and barely posted.
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