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Old 17-10-2016, 12:55
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Yep, it seems like Sky is entering the mobile market
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Old 17-10-2016, 13:03
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Great, so they are all doing phone, mobile and TV. It means the things we want to watch are spread out over 17 different companies, all of whom want £20 a month.

Take BT Sport. Bought a load of stuff from BBC etc. and now I can't watch MotoGP without a BT Sport sub. **** off BT. Next it'll be Sky with Indycar and Vodafone with BTCC.

I think they are all flogging a dead horse anyway. It'll all be online by the time they get their 'TV' packages together. Bastards.
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Old 17-10-2016, 14:32
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Will this mean that networks will be charging extra for HD Voice in future.
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Old 17-10-2016, 16:51
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Piggybacking off O2.

So that basically means you'll get 2G everywhere, and 3G/4G limited to larger towns and cities.

I'll stick with a network that uses MBNL thanks.
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Old 17-10-2016, 17:05
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If they are using O2, I wonder what will happen to their current relationship with Vodafone?
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Old 17-10-2016, 17:39
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Piggybacking off O2.

So that basically means you'll get 2G everywhere, and 3G/4G limited to larger towns and cities.

I'll stick with a network that uses MBNL thanks.
Constant 4G from Edinburgh to Gatwick last week.

Have you used O2 lately? You comments seem a bit 2012! ;o)
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Old 17-10-2016, 17:47
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Piggybacking off O2.

So that basically means you'll get 2G everywhere, and 3G/4G limited to larger towns and cities.

I'll stick with a network that uses MBNL thanks.
I think you have an incredibly outdated view of O2, in partnership with Vodafone via CTIL they have been pumping shit loads of money upgrading sites far and wide to 4G. Every site that is upgraded to 4G recieves similar attention to 2G & 3G too, thus improving signal and capacity.

The network that is struggling with 4G upgrades is Three, they lead the way with 3G via MBNL, now no longer as areas are becoming congested. Super voice launched last year to much fanfare and it still isn't even working properly.

EE of course lead the way, they are an ocean ahead of the rest.
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Old 17-10-2016, 18:07
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I stand by my comments about O2. I'm fully aware of CTIL, and what they're doing right now. But if you look at coverage maps even today, the overall UK wide 3G and 4G network coverage offered by VO2 is still nowhere near as extensive as MBNL's significantly superior network.

I'm with Three, and would love them to have similar 4G network coverage to EE, but having access to the UK's biggest 3G network is what matters most to me.
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Old 17-10-2016, 18:30
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I think you have an incredibly outdated view of O2, in partnership with Vodafone via CTIL they have been pumping shit loads of money upgrading sites far and wide to 4G. Every site that is upgraded to 4G recieves similar attention to 2G & 3G too, thus improving signal and capacity.

The network that is struggling with 4G upgrades is Three, they lead the way with 3G via MBNL, now no longer as areas are becoming congested. Super voice launched last year to much fanfare and it still isn't even working properly.

EE of course lead the way, they are an ocean ahead of the rest.
It's not outdated where I live. There really hasn't been that much progress. Still sticking with EE (well, via BT) for my mobile and getting 4G coverage almost everywhere

Even bloody Three have managed to improve things in the last year!

I'm sure Vodafone and O2 are great where they've upgraded the network. The problem is that it still isn't everywhere (or as much as EE are)
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Old 17-10-2016, 18:42
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o2?

Ah crap.

It had so much potential as well.
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Old 17-10-2016, 18:45
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I must remind you that EE had over a years head start on CTIL (4G) im not excusing vo2 lack of 3G outside major towns but they are getting there act together finally
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Old 17-10-2016, 21:24
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o2?

Ah crap.

It had so much potential as well.
Well O2 seems to be better around here than vodafone is at the moment. Not that I will be using sky mobile. Vodafone have gone to pot.
I do not use 4G, so i have no idea what that is like.
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Old 17-10-2016, 21:28
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Great, so they are all doing phone, mobile and TV. It means the things we want to watch are spread out over 17 different companies, all of whom want £20 a month.

Take BT Sport. Bought a load of stuff from BBC etc. and now I can't watch MotoGP without a BT Sport sub. **** off BT. Next it'll be Sky with Indycar and Vodafone with BTCC.

I think they are all flogging a dead horse anyway. It'll all be online by the time they get their 'TV' packages together. Bastards.
If people stopped filling the pockets of Sky, BT and any other TV company they would have to come to some agreement to show everything on all platforms, but people just keep on paying.

I do not go in for this stick everything in one basket anyway, I prefer my mobile phone to be separate from who I get my broadband off.
Anyway, I am looking at changing mobile phone networks, but not going into a contract, may have a look at giff gaff.
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Old 17-10-2016, 21:28
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Will this mean that networks will be charging extra for HD Voice in future.
why should they, also is this HD voice just hyped up?
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Old 17-10-2016, 21:39
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Constant 4G from Edinburgh to Gatwick last week.

Have you used O2 lately? You comments seem a bit 2012! ;o)
I think you have an incredibly outdated view of O2, in partnership with Vodafone via CTIL they have been pumping shit loads of money upgrading sites far and wide to 4G. Every site that is upgraded to 4G recieves similar attention to 2G & 3G too, thus improving signal and capacity.

The network that is struggling with 4G upgrades is Three, they lead the way with 3G via MBNL, now no longer as areas are becoming congested. Super voice launched last year to much fanfare and it still isn't even working properly.

EE of course lead the way, they are an ocean ahead of the rest.
why should they, also is this HD voice just hyped up?
HD Voice is incredible. It really does sound like the person you're talking to is right next to you. It's a shame it isn't cross network, so I rarely have the pleasure of hearing it.
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Old 17-10-2016, 22:00
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It's not outdated where I live. There really hasn't been that much progress. Still sticking with EE (well, via BT) for my mobile and getting 4G coverage almost everywhere

Even bloody Three have managed to improve things in the last year!

I'm sure Vodafone and O2 are great where they've upgraded the network. The problem is that it still isn't everywhere (or as much as EE are)
I think we can all agree on two things:

1. EE are way out in front, the head start helped and also their aggressive investment in upgrading masts as far and wide as possible. IMHO they have the best network in Europe or at least equal to DT in Germany.

2. Vodafone and O2 are coming up from a low base, they skimped on invest for all of their networks, which we see the fruits of today. They are making amends or at least trying to, where they have rolled out 4G there is a notable upgrade in service and capacity. I agree Vodafone and O2 are not perfect and don't have converage as wide as EE, however VF are committed to matching EE tooth and nail. That said VF and O2 are shit in some areas, they have a lot of arse licking to do if they want to convince people to buy their products.
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Old 17-10-2016, 22:20
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I think we can all agree on two things:

1. EE are way out in front, the head start helped and also their aggressive investment in upgrading masts as far and wide as possible. IMHO they have the best network in Europe or at least equal to DT in Germany.

2. Vodafone and O2 are coming up from a low base, they skimped on invest for all of their networks, which we see the fruits of today. They are making amends or at least trying to, where they have rolled out 4G there is a notable upgrade in service and capacity. I agree Vodafone and O2 are not perfect and don't have converage as wide as EE, however VF are committed to matching EE tooth and nail. That said VF and O2 are shit in some areas, they have a lot of arse licking to do if they want to convince people to buy their products.
A lot of arse licking they'll have to do in order to even remotely entice me back. Even if they do somehow manage to create a network as excellent as MBNL's, it would take a lot of convincing to make me go back. It's a case of too little, too late. EE joined forces with Three at the right time to create an excellent 3G network which I swear by. O2 and Vodafone dragged their feet for far too long and the Cornerstone arrangement they've entered into, albeit a good one, was far too late. MBNL satisfied my heavy data usage requirements early on, and will continue to do so.
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Old 17-10-2016, 22:54
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O2/VF have changed for the better massively. Three are the rubbish network in my area now. EE are about to 4g the old orange mast which then gives us 3 networks with decent coverage (however vf/o2 had it up and running last November).

But still no Three. Think they have just given up as even the EE plans don't mention Three.
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Old 18-10-2016, 06:08
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O2/VF have changed for the better massively. Three are the rubbish network in my area now. EE are about to 4g the old orange mast which then gives us 3 networks with decent coverage (however vf/o2 had it up and running last November).

But still no Three. Think they have just given up as even the EE plans don't mention Three.
No it's just "your area" isn't necessarily representative of everywhere else.
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Old 18-10-2016, 08:48
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Take BT Sport. Bought a load of stuff from BBC etc. and now I can't watch MotoGP without a BT Sport sub. **** off BT. Next it'll be Sky with Indycar and Vodafone with BTCC.
I do watch f1 with sky.... not motoGP. However friends do & I believe rather than BTSport they pay for a motogp web subscription & stream online, and display to tv via chromecast?
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Old 18-10-2016, 09:16
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O2/VF have changed for the better massively. Three are the rubbish network in my area now. EE are about to 4g the old orange mast which then gives us 3 networks with decent coverage (however vf/o2 had it up and running last November).

But still no Three. Think they have just given up as even the EE plans don't mention Three.
Vodafone used to be really good here, but in the last 4 months or so they have gone downhill, in fact I think it started before then.
People have complained but Vodafone still seems to be not bothering to sort it out.
I am not that bothered about data, my main concern is voice, so people can get hold of me if they need to, like if my Dad is ill.

I have more or less be with vodafone since I got my first mobile phone many many years ago, I did change to BT a few years back when they had that Broadband anywhere package. but went back to Vodafone after the two year contract was up.

I have tried over networks, by getting a sim and using it on a PAYG basis for a month, but vodafone always seemed to be the nest around here until now.

My mobile phone sim only contract comes to the end next month, so I will be looking around and make a list of ones to look closer at, I do not think sky will be in that list even if they have it up and running by then.
i expect they will want people to enter into a contract and to be honest, there are plenty of services that do not have a contract and is seems to be better value than contracts.
giffgaff for instance gives better value that what I am paying now.

I pay £14 a month for 600minutes, which I hardly use, 1GB of data and unlimited text, giffgaff I can get 1GB of data, 500 minutes of voice and unlimited text for a tenner and no contract.
I could even cope with the £7.50 package to be honest, I would have to download my spotify music to the phone from home, that offers 500MB of data, 250 mins of calls and unlimited text.

the other thing that is annoying me about vodafone is their silly two form factor system to sign into their website, no choice on the matter, you will use it.
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Old 18-10-2016, 09:26
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why should they, also is this HD voice just hyped up?
My reference was towards Sky making HD TV a premium service and had they been about when TV changed from B&W to Colour that too would have been a premium service so the joke is, will Sky mobile make HD Voice a premium service where up till now it’s been read as just another advance in technology.
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Old 18-10-2016, 10:29
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My reference was towards Sky making HD TV a premium service and had they been about when TV changed from B&W to Colour that too would have been a premium service so the joke is, will Sky mobile make HD Voice a premium service where up till now it’s been read as just another advance in technology.


I got it the HD tax.!
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Old 18-10-2016, 12:44
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LOL CTIL hasn't got to the countryside yet.

Its still terrible 2g only shite unless you live in a city.
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Old 18-10-2016, 12:51
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LOL CTIL hasn't got to the countryside yet.

Its still terrible 2g only shite unless you live in a city.
I agree. CTIL are moving forward but still have a long way to go, especially here in South Wales. Travel north or west of Swansea and you'll only get 3G or 4G from VO2 in major towns. Elsewhere is just 2G only. Useless for people travelling to Tenby or Saundersfoot, Fishguard, etc and want to use data in their cars. With MBNL you'll struggle to ever find yourself not having 3G as a bare minimum, as they pretty much offer blanket 3G coverage here.
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