Really not enjoying Emmerdale's special week

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Glendarroch

20-10-2016

Originally Posted by Aaron_Silver:
“I do understand that these two polarise opinions on here, as I am a relative newcomer to Emmerdale having had about 10 or so years break, I don't have the prejudices of knowing the characters (or even the ones I do know I have no idea what they have been up to for years) or having made judgements on many of them. This allows me to almost look at it with fresh eyes and I found Mondays episode really well acted and fast paced, I didn't much enjoy Tuesday although I wouldn't say the episode was a flop, just not to the standard of the previous evening, and haven't managed to see Wednesdays yet.

Thanks for your reply Glendarroch, I find commenting on a soap that I am so out of date with very daunting amongst the experts, and the daily's far too fast paced for me at my stage of knowing the characters, half the time I have no clue what people are talking about. ”

I was terrified the first time I posted on the Daily, but it is a friendly, joky place and they made me feel welcome

. I missed a lot from the nineties and early noughties, including all of the early Andy and Robert stuff, but from what I did see of Jack, including watching as a kid in the eighties, he was a nice guy but not perfect!

jjwales

20-10-2016

Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“I found the Emma/James one far too OTT and silly.
Also the Marlon and Paddy one, why the hell were two grown men scared to go into the woods that was part of a campsite. Ridiculous are we supposed to find them funny?? I hope Pierce does them both in, he is the only character in this scenario i actually like”

He is an unpleasant character though. Agree about the Emma/James episode.

BootsNo7

20-10-2016

I thought Wednesday's episode was beyond silly. How did Emma get James fully dressed, brought downstairs and tied to a chair? She has suddenly become superwoman and then she is pushed to the ground but gets up again as good as new.

And the boys, particularly Ross, know that Emma has done some really strange things in the past and yet has just accepted that James is "too ill" to see them! He only broke his leg, not his neck!

If I had a relative who had done even one of the things Emma has (breaking in to the Woolpack etc.,) I would be much more wary of taking their word for anything. I thought the boys were much more on James' side than Emma's anyway?

sheepiefarm

20-10-2016

Originally Posted by Teifiboi:
“There was nothing in the conversation between Robert & Aaron, on Monday evening, to support the contention that Jack beat Robert because he was gay. Robert said himself that nothing had happened and that Jack had leathered him for skiving. It's just Robert's interpretation that Jack knew that he was gay (well, bi, according to Robert himself, in another scene) and that could well have arisen from the guilt and inadequacy that Robert felt. Furthermore, Aaron himself said that he didn't think that Jack was like that and Robert agreed. There was nothing to impy that Jack was a raging homophobe who beat Robert on a regular basis.”

The fact that Robert inferred it puts the suggestion that it happened out there.

IF the show then gives us some information to confirm it didn't happen and that Robert was either lying or pitying himself about that particular situation - then fair enough.

But for the time being, the show HAS put the suggestion out there that Jack found his son in bed with a guy and physically punished him for it.
For many new viewers who weren't watching the show back then - there is nothing to corroborate that that line of thinking isn't true.

Jack covered up for his "adoptive" son setting fire to the barn which killed his adoptive mother - but he takes his fists to his real son because he found him in bed with a guy.

Like I said - fans gonna accept it cos it gives them the "explanation" for Roberts behaviour that they've been craving.

Me - I call it out for the bullshit fanfiction enabling nonsense it was clearly written & designed to be

samcains90

20-10-2016

Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“But sheepie, they have to both have bad horrible Dads who abused them regularly, because it makes them SOUL MATES.

Actually, typing that has just made me realise how much of a rip off Wobwon are of the Brendan/Ste story on Hollyoaks. No wonder they've got so many of the same fans - maybe it's the Victim of Evil Dads thing. Except this time they get the "Happy Ending" the first lot craved but didn't get.

Anyway, we now have to accept, as trevor tiger loves to remind us, that Poor Ickle Bobby is a saint who was regularly beaten within an inch of his life for his essential gayness by Abusive Nasty Thuggish Dad Jack. He was probably sexually abused by Diane as well, so sad. *writes fanfic*”

That episode was so cringeworthy

trevor tiger

20-10-2016

Originally Posted by Aaron_Silver:
“Hi Sorcha,

I am not as qualified on this as others, however, I did watch back when Jack Sugden was in it, and I don't think this controversial point is as much of a retcon as people think. Jack may have been modern in certain ways for someone of his age, given that he was a Yorkshire farmer, and may well have passed the time of day with the likes of Zoe, but to discover your son in a compromising position with another boy? It would be a shock to most parents, at least initially, and many would have had an extreme reaction.

My best friend, not in the least homophobic, and I got into a conversation and she was asked what she would do if one of her sons was gay, the colour drained from her, and although she tried to put it nicely, it was definitely homophobic remarks in that moment and it took me years to get her to recognise it. People can be funny about these things when it comes to their own kids, no matter how gay friendly they may initially appear.

The fact that there was no mention of it and it was off screen makes it obvious that it's just been inserted but not necessarily a retcon.

Thanks (You may indeed be able to correct me on some of the old Emmerdale stuff as it has been a while and my memory isn't as good on ED as it is on Enders) ”

Great post Aaron and this is almost the exact same reason I feel this retcon has at least some realism about it unlike many others. We know of course that Jack can and has lashed out and even though he is a liberal and tolerant guy we also know that parents can completely forget any liberalism they have when it comes to their own children. I have seen it myself just like you have.

Originally Posted by LiamBerryTea ~:
“I don't have a problem at all with Jack not being happy about his son being gay,
But there's a difference

You don't 'leather' or 'beat' someone or even ignore them for weeks because of it. And that certainly isn't Jack”

Jack lashed out and he didn't ignore Robert for weeks, they just didn't talk about the incident again.

I swear if this was anyone else in Emmerdale everyone would be fine about it but because it's Robert and by extension his relationship with Aaron then people refuse to see any sense or realism in this adapted story line at all.

SegaGamer

21-10-2016

Thursday was fantastic, but Monday-Wednesday felt too much like Hollyoaks for me, and i hate Hollyoaks. Wednesday especially with Emma and James was too much, it went too far.

Cadiva

21-10-2016

Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I swear if this was anyone else in Emmerdale everyone would be fine about it but because it's Robert and by extension his relationship with Aaron then people refuse to see any sense or realism in this adapted story line at all.”

I don't even watch Emmerdale and only rarely watch the occasional clip on YouTube to see where they've been filming as I live in Otley, which has been used for Hotten pretty much since the show began, and even I have to say I agree with this.

There seems to be some (to my outside eyes anyways) an irrational overreaction to anything which involves these two characters - on both sides of the debate that is, both positive and negative.

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