Really? For someone who's "not bovvered" to coin a phrase, you sure like replying!

No point proved I'm afraid, you're sadly uninformed, but never mind, ignorance is bliss as they say.

This was discussed on here this morning.

Sorry chum, it's a message board it'd be easier for you to get a job as a cat shepherd rather than tell people what to think or do on here, we won't have it. Your opinion has no more value than that of anyone else.

But nice try anyway.



You're the one who was actually "bovvered," as evidenced by the aggressive tone in yours when you quoted mine.

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/nation...48518d107f2-ds

I wonder if the Mirror will print this story, or if DS will mention it, it's a bit disappointingly low on gutter press sales or click bait value.

It's not politic in show business to "dis" other professionals. In this instance they are, or were, all employed by the BBC.
I'm sure the BBC PR people want all the Will Young stuff to go away, the negativity isn't good for the reputation of the show and might be considered to possibly hurt the ratings.

Therefore those still in the show will be encouraged to only say "nice things" about Will, as there's no "sensational mileage" in them for the papers and scandal mags.

True on both counts. I have a relative who has some problems, and was seeing a therapist for years who just made things worse. It seemed good at first, letting her get things off her chest, but before long, she needed someone to blame for every sad moment of her life, which doesn't help her move on with her life, but does mean repeat business.


Will's fans are well meaning, and understandably want to defend him, but too many of them have dismissed all criticism of him as 'homophobic', and justified his more obvious diva moments as him standing up for himself, or for creative freedom. A bit of honest feedback years ago might have helped him gain perspective, and stopped him from feeling got at. As well as arguably making things worse for Will, there have been numerous innocent casualties along the way. Anyone who claimed he'd been rude was subjected to a hate campaign for 'lying', with the likes of Len being given the blame more recently.

It's clear Will has problems, and he has my sympathy, but whatever they are, they weren't caused by Len, or that radio DJ who interrupted an interview for an advert break, or that guy from a boy band who said he was 'up himself.

By all means, defend Will if you think people are saying unfair things about him, but be careful of saying unfair things about others along the way.

I think Will has been harassed and vilified by the press. Anyone would think he had committed a murder.

I don't think Will stood Karen up in Cornwall. The Strictly website shows Will and Karen rehearsing together in Cornwall for their salsa the week before he left. The following Monday, when Will was accused of standing Karen up in Cornwall,Karen would have been in London rehearsing with the other professionals. I think the press saw Karen's tweets in Cornwall and got the dates wrong.

Karen has accused the press of lying in articles claiming they fell out and Will has retweeted them. Tonight Karen has re-iterated they are still friends. So I don't think Will treated her badly, but the press have. Because they don't have a reason for Will leaving they have made it up.

I see no evidence of diva like behaviour. I don't know if Will was depressed and chose to go to protect his mental health but I do know he looked very unhappy on the show.

This is DS, where for some, it's impossible for them to express an opinion without having a go at the same time at someone who has expressed an alternative one.

If someone dishes it out to me, they'll get it back, then that's it for me unless they want to have another go. I rarely commit other contributors' names to memory, so I've no idea of what they've said on a topic before and so I don't harbour grudges.

Some people can fester over something you said about "someone they like," not just days ago but even a year ago and bring it up again.

But you get all sorts on DS.

As a gay man who suffers from a mental health condition it is not appreciated when somebody calls you on being a diva when one is depressed.

Will Young may be a diva and a little precious at times but he is also clearly depressed which is hard for him as he is in the spotlight- Will has the money to be able to seek the best treatment which he clearly needs.

Society still struggles with mental health- mental pain can be as bad as physical pain believe me and its about time we started recognising that.

I wish Will the very best and i hope he can some peace in his life.

It's possible to be depressed AND a bawbag.

I don't wish to offend you, but personally I don't give two monkey's about whether Will Young is gay or not. People are calling him a diva, not because of his sexuality, but because of his behaviour, including me.
However I do get a little tired of those gay people in show business, who once they've had the courage to "come out" sadly for some only when they feel secure in their popularity, then proceed to take opportunities to ram it down the public's throats, Stephen Fry, for example, when most like me, weren't bothered one way or another about their sexuality in the first place.
I'd hasten to add that I've never thought Will Young was guilty of that sort of behaviour.

By the way, your post is a little confusing, saying Will Young may be a diva, but you wouldn't appreciate being called one.

You know you have all fallen into the trap of thinking the reason Will left the show is for his mental health.

Nowhere is this confirmed its all guess work.

Hounding the man to explain his personal reasons is really quite sad. We have no idea, it's personal. He may never be able to tell us why as it involves someone else.

I wish him well, I also wish people would stop discussing his mental health, you know not adding any pressure there.

In all sorts of ways, if he can't tell because it concerns someone else how awful to have his mental health blamed , if it is for a mental health reason no pressure at all to have his every action and photo scrutinised.

There was a picture of him in a designer coat, patent shoes, matching tee shirt and trousers not jeans. Getting a coffee. The papers said he was dishevelled and others on here described him looking like a homeless person. The daily mail could equally have done an article on where to get the designer coat and shoes, how to rock the all black look, he was wearing thousands of pounds of matching trendy clothes, with his hair as it normally looks and his beard. He is the original hipster, yet on here many believed this same picture was proof of depression.

It's not, we don't know why he left, it was for personal reasons. I hope things sort them self out soon. He says he left with joy in his heart at being part of SCD and sorrow at having to go. Karen has denied any diva like behaviour.

We just don't know.

Her Twitter fed came from Cornwall. What kind of prat signs up for a major entertainment show and then decamps to Cornwall?

This guy has lost it. Bye Will, your career is over.

You make a good point, Doghouse. I was amazed to see one of 'the pack' quoting some comment I'd made about Chelsea Healey. How many years ago is that????? Quite flattering in a weird sort of way?

You can imagine them keeping "lists" or even bookmarking particular DS threads for future reference.

Excellent post, coppertop!

Alternatively there is no BBC propaganda machine. People have to leave work for all sorts of reasons. No doubt he explained it to them. As any reasonable employer would, they wish him well and support him in denying untrue rumours. But keep his secret because it's personal.

Even a small shop holder in Manchester would do the same for any employee. Support, empathy and help for someone in need of help is standard practice. That is if they are good employers.

So well done BBC for following good employment practice, behaving the same as the mythical good shop owner in Manchester.

Or as you said in your previous post about something on which you had an obviously opposite opinion. "Nowhere is this confirmed it's all guesswork."

You can't have it both ways.

By the way the BBC has a "propaganda machine," one of it's arms has been running for over forty years, it's called, "Points of View."

Both of you, I have asked several times now, what pack ?

Are you sure you are alright ? If you are imagining there is a " pack "following you around DS with lists and spreadsheets , I am not at all sure you are.

There are several mental health conditions that present with such behaviour.

Seriously I would question yourselves how far away from reality you really are if you are imagining packs, list and spreadsheets.

I don't discuss with anyone else what , when or how I post, I remember both of you posting incredibly offensive things that do stick in ones mind. However if you are going to be deliberately offensive that's always going to be true. It means I never ever would want to meet you in real life,but as far as being part of a pack following you around in a co-ordinated effort to do something, I honestly do question your grip on reality.

Pack, dear lord some people not only have delusions of grandeur but also,persecution complex.

It all makes others look quite sane in comparison.

Ok so I should have said , no one knows except Will and anyone else who needs to know, which will include his employer, as the BBC were. To me that was stating the bleeding obvious. What next do I have to say the sky is blue or Will is a man in all my post?

Really, you think points of view will tell the world why will left. Now that would be bad employment practice. No doubt Will could sue them for that.

I hope she got her journey refunded. That's a lot of petrol or train fare!

Are you gay yourself? Sorry just a question

Great username by the way.

The same type of prat who is filming in Malta? Or lives in Manchester? Or is on tour in Europe during the show?

I mean, clearly you want a stick to beat the guy with but presuming you've actually watched the show in the past you'd know that since the very beginning pros have had to follow the celebs all over the place either for work or due to where they live. The fact therefore you'd pick that to dig him over is a bit suspect.

I'm afraid I'll have to add you to my "list" (I'm joking)

"Those who make wild personal accusations without providing a shred of evidence."

We're really finding it funny that there a few on here who get themselves so worked up about someone else's opinions, that come out with silly posts like this one of yours I've just quoted.

I'm amused at the "ridiculous intensity" some are demonstrating about opinions on someone on the telly.
It's not that we have no sympathy for Will Young, just that some won't accept that he should share any blame.

No I'm not gay, but a couple of our adult daughter's male friends from her schooldays are. One used to come and stay with us occasionally when she lived at home, they were at nursing college together. My wife also had a gay female friend when they both worked as volunteers for the Samaritans, decades ago.
As I said, someone's sexuality is their business, it makes no difference to me.

The board name is a "film noir" reference, one of my several interests, I've used it since the commencement of the old music file sharing days.