But we know she trained with Will in Cornwall, there are photos on the Strictly website. You cannot assume all the tabloid accusations are true. Karen has already called them liars.

This ^^^^

On another (unrelated) point I do think it's perfectly usual to remember certain names, either because you connected with the poster or because you find them ludicrous. Or maybe you just have excellent memories!

There's a lot of things you can say, I don't mind, but as a suggestion, it might be better not to contradict yourself in consecutive posts.

You're going off at a tangent.

Read my post again as you obviously failed to understand it.

My point was that the BBC will encourage anyone connected to Strictly, not to make any adverse comments about Will Young.

I gave the "Points of View" programme as an example of the BBC's PR initiatives.

In no way did I say it would be used in any connection with Will Young, despite any mail they receive supporting or condemning him. They wouldn't do it.

Now why are you banging on about "Blue Sky?"

I could add a musical joke there, but I won't.

We , " we're finding it quite funny"

Reverse " pack" or thinking you are more than one person?

I was referring to Penelope, as we shared some similar amusement over the extreme behaviour of some posters.
Her use of the word "pack" I think was a bit of joke, in no way do I believe she thinks they are organised.

I'd let it go now, you worry too much about opinions.

What has Stephen Fry done to upset you?

You seem easily confused. Might be better if you read posts properly, it'd save you the trouble of advertising your confusion.

I gave him as one example of a gay person in show business who deliberately advertises his sexuality, as if it were important, or made any difference to anyone.

I did read your post "properly", so no need for the insults. What do you mean by "deliberately advertises his sexuality"? Why shouldn't he (or anyone else in the public eye) be open about being gay? It all helps with breaking down prejudice.

Insults?

I was being sarcastic.

I considered the "confused" smiley sarcastic as my original post was quite explanatory.

Do I add you to my "list" of posters who like to dish it out to other contributors, but can't take it back?

He is in the "public eye" by his own merits.

We know he's gay.

There's no need for him to make references to it.

We don't care.

I don't insult other contributors, and why does it bother you if he makes references to his sexuality?

Wrong thread.

The unnecessary confused smiley, I considered sarcastic and a bit insulting, neither is it clever, how many times do you have to be told?
Stephen Fry doesn't bother me, it's his frequent reference to his sexuality I find unnecessary and rather pathetic.

You can have any opinion of him you choose, it makes no difference to me.

Sorry if you got the wrong idea. It was not meant to be sarcastic or insulting. I did find it genuinely perplexing that Fry could annoy you so much just by making references to his sexuality, as I've never noticed him doing this unnecessarily.

No problems
It's not a case of annoyance, it's just that it's so unnecessary.
We get it, he's gay, so what?
He should stop making little references to it.

I think he does it as he believes it makes him more endearing.
I don't think it does him any favours.

Looking back at Will's last dance, Len actually gives Will's abilities high praise generally. There is only the question of salsa content that he had an issue with. Will's fans are well meaning etc. but often unfortunately, they do lack a sense of perspective at times. Len was quite alright with Will, until Will unwisely attempted to pick him up over the technical aspects, which of course is Len's forte and expertise. It is the equivalent of attempting to argue with anyone of a chosen profession, and Will was badly out of his depth. My guess with Len is he was already informed that Will was more sensitive than most, hence him making the remark that he was only joking at the end. Everyone who goes on the show knows what to expect from the judges, and Will is no exception, and he wasn't treated any differently from the rest of them, yet no one else has withdrawn without a reason.

My opinion is Will believed Ballroom Dancing would be easier than he thought, and he saw himself as a contender. Unfortunately, there was some stiff competition, and Will knew he had a struggle on his hands.

It is always difficult to know how much Will's fans words have contributed to his own perceived bloated sense of self worth, or even if he spends the time to read his admirers flattering words. The one thing i would say is he seemed a much more likeable person back in those very early days, and especially during his time on Pop Idol.

For someone who doesn't care, never remembers posters names, doesn't worry about opinions, accuses others of misinterpreting their posts( perhaps a dictionary might help) , again doesn't care , accuses other's of "pack" and extreme behaviour.

Yet again doesn't care, haha , it's all a joke ( that good old Len defence) doesn't care that Will or Stephen are gay, doesn't care.

You sure do want to mention that other people are gay, but don't worry we do know you don't care and not only that some of your best freinds are homophobic, oops gay.

It's ok I do know you don't care.

Oh and just to add, this is all my own opinion, I am entitled to it, and you are not the one to tell me what I can and cannot post on a discussion board.

Let me see, I missed out the BBC but that's OK because I truly don't care about them.

I shall leave this here as I really don't feel the need for the last word.

I know it's coming if not from you ..........

It will be the other member of your pack.

Oh wait did I say, why are you getting so upset up? It's all just a silly TV programme.

I missed that one out.
And a final BBC booooh for good measure.

What did I say about worrying too much about other people's opinions?

You've ably demonstrated that you do.
So if you're going to leave this thread, that's fine by me. But I won't hold my breath.

- interrupts private spat
Would Will and Kevin and Karen be better off being seen walking out of a coffee shop together to scotch rumours of a split.
The press will be following him everywhere he goes

I thought you were just giving your opinion . Who is this group you're speaking for ?

It ain't private, anyone can have a go at me 'cos they don't like my opinions I'm not stopping them, but they'll get a response back. Some don't like that happening.

I think the BBC will distance themselves from it all now and I think so will Karen

It's sad that Will is a troubled man, but he's old news. The show has moved on.

I can't see anyone that cares about having the last word as much as you. Must be how you got to 24,000 posts. Happy perseverating!
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btw OP, the thread title should have been "Diva, depressed, or diddums"?

A true Diva response to Len, would be how the f**k do you expect us to dance a salsa to that, it is bangra, bollywood, you're lucky you got any bloody salsa counts at all.

I like Will, if you suffer from anxiety/depression it can strike at any time and for any reason, if indeed that was the cause. Whatever, I hope all goes well for him.

I can't even begin to express how much I would have loved to see that!

Now that would get me off the chair and give a standing ovation . I wouldn't even need a cattle prod ( sorry prompt ) from the floor manager

I'm not your 'chum' and you needn't patronise again. Isn't 'chum' the name people use when really they want to punch someone? 😎 We can all post our opinions and your opinion is worth no more than mine, surprise surprise. If you look back it was you who started telling me what to do in the first place.

Looks from all the spats you've had since I last posted like you just love winding people up. You'll do anything for a reaction, quite sad really.