You're wrong, if it was never spoken about it's not a retcon as that is a change of the history of the show, therefore, if never spoken about and could technically have happened it is not a retcon.

EDIT: A retcon is a change of an established fact as that has not happened here it is not a retcon. You may not approve which is fair enough but it's not a retcon.

Well done. Shows that it wasn't totally out of character for Jack. And it a small nugget of information that perfectly explained why we never saw Robert with men.

Oh yes, yes! We must all now remember Jack was always a violent, homophobic, abusive thug who bullied ickle Bobby Wobby within an inch of his life. He probably raped him as well. And his Mum did too.

Anything's up for grabs now really. Maybe once Robert leaves, we'll find out he was in an incestuous gay relationship with Andy.

I love how you pigeonhole anyone who disagrees with you! LOL

I'm far from being a fan of 'Robron' I can't stand Robert with Aaron and would have preferred him to have returned straight rather than bi, I'm simply saying that it is not far the realms of possibility that this actually happened.

When Aaron first appeared there was no evidence or even the suggestion that he was being abused by Gordon, but here we are, years later knowing that he was actually suffering at the hands of a violent paedophile. We never saw it, but we have to accept that it happened.

I guess though that because Gordon wasn't a much loved, established character people find that easier to accept

I think we should just ignore the Aarbert (or whatever) shower. They're making up their stories to suit their fantasies and have very probably never seen any of the episodes they've wrongly cited. We should sit back and laugh up our sleeves, or weep with pity.
Those of us who did watch KNOW what really happened but they choose not to heed.

They have gone to an awful lot of trouble to comb the archives of a show they never watched before 2014 to find evidence that a character they've never seen was a hateful bullying thug though. They deserve credit for their dedication to their fandom.

I expect every time Jack gets mentioned now, a lovely person will gleefully post a treasured clip of him thumping someone.

I should do the same with Aaron behaving like a violent prick - and one of Robert enthusiastically snogging women - and post that in return. But I'm just not that obsessive.

Personally I think that was a shit fanwanking retcon as well, if it helps.

What a sensible post. I asked the question on the op's last thread if Jack had ever expressed an opinion on people who are gay but it was ignored. It would only be a retcon if he had previously been supportive of someone being gay or if he had been known to abhor physical punishment to his children.

I don't pigeonhole everyone who disagrees with me lmao, i'm simply just picking apart the argument that the jack thing must have happened because he was violent before, the argument makes no sense. And yeah I also fully agree that the gordon abuse was another huge retcon which never should have happened.

Excellent posts storm shaker

http://i.imgur.com/s6NCkxn.jpg

This is the type of post I keep seeing and I'm sorry but the over the top exaggeration doesn't do the argument any good.

Jack lashed out at Robert presumably in fear and momentary anger. They never spoke about it again because Robert decided to bury those feelings and be a man that he thought Jack wanted. If they had talked about it who knows.

Jack doesn't come out of this retcon looking bad at all in my view but that is because he wasn't and hasn't been portrayed as a violent, homophobic, abusive thug who bullied anyone let alone Robert and he certainly didn't rape anyone

Well why did you say these Robron fans I'm not a fan either but somehow or other seem to be able to discern from what I've heard and witnessed on the screen that Jack didn't beat Robert for being gay. He lashed out at him no doubt at the shock of seeing his young son in a compromising position with an older man. Or he really was annoyed with him for laziness and lashed out at that. Would that latter scenario make you happier?

There is no indication he ever lashed out again and I imagine if instead of being stubborn they had talked about it perhaps they could have both come to terms with it. I know it is a retcon of sorts but I think it's quite a reasonable one.

I don't t have a problem with the idea in a moment of shock, Jack might have lashed out.
A. He was a lovely character, but like most of us surely, he would have some prejudices. The fact that he was friendly with Zoe is very different from finding out his own son was gay. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have come round and tried to help and support Robert.
B. Robert and him were not close in general. It's s quite easy to see how that could occasionally translate into violence. That's s where Jack really did make a mistake as a parent, in not trying to establish a good relationship.
C: Jack caught his 15 yr old having sex. Whoever it was with, it would give him a shock. In my experience, parents of that generation didn't talk about relationships with their kids.
D: Robert did not say how old the other man was. He might have been in his twenties or thirties, which would anger any parent. He had to be at least sixteen as he was working away from home. I don't suppose it would be an issue if he was a younger adult in his teens.

I admit I did miss much of the nineties and early noughties but I do have memories of Jack from the eighties and occasional viewing later.

By the way, I'm not advocating what Robert says he did, I'm just saying that he had flaws. However, he might well have calmed down and tried to build bridges with Robert.

Great post, put far better than I did. If you wanted to see some real retcons EastEnders over the past couple of years would be a good place to start This was definitely not one.

CheersI honestly think a lot of parents would lash out on finding their 15 year old having sex anyway, regardless of whether it was homosexual or heterosexual. My parents are the same generation as Jack, and they would not have been happy with me at 15, having sex and especially doing it in their house! Out of sight, out of mindEspecially if it was just some random guy, not a regular boyfriend who they knew.

No we don't. Why the hell do we have to accept that? I don't believe for one second Gordon did anything to Aaron, who used to hate staying with his mum and couldn't wait to go back home to his dad, any more than I believe bed hopping girl crazy Robert who has on his bedpost Donna, Debbie, Nicola, Elaine Marsden, Sadie, Katie, that holiday park girl, Rebecca, Chrissie and god knows how many others, was caught with another boy by Jack or anyone else. What I do believe is that Kate Oates was so desperate for awards she made up a bunch of sensationalist stuff and nonsense and when she found it worked had to keep coming up with even more garbage to cover the first lot, and now her successor is frantically trying to come up with ways to both keep those trophies flowing whilst at the same time back the show out of the corner she put them in with the real fans and viewers who actually remember the show and its history from before the last couple of years.

Brilliant post!! And none of it based on fantasy or imagination. All true. I hope a storyliner reads it and learns.

BIB One possible thing here that could be argued Collie is that if Jack did indeed catch 15 year old Robert with this farm hand hand have the reaction he did, this could quite possibly have led to him turning to the many women you undoubtedly and rightly said he has had as that is undoubtedly a similar experience to many gay men in less enlightened times in this country.

I am not saying it makes anything necessarily true but could offer up an explanation for the behaviour. Far be it for me to argue with somebody who is far more versed in ED than myself

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I always liked Robert, loved Karl Davies in the role but I am still not sure I see him as gay, as for Aaron I would perhaps like him if he wasn't busy filling the local reservoir most of the time [/QUOTE]

I have transferred this quote from another thread just to prove that i am not just another Robronner trying to wind you up, but I was always taught to question everything and everybody including myself

I have not watched the clips as I don't need to
I know Jack wasn't perfect, I know he was violent when pushed.
I have said that ì can believe he woUldale have behaved badly to finding his son in bed with anyone, let alone another man.

My issue is that nothing like this happened on scrèenergy, not even the 'couldn't look at me for weeks' and it should have we should have seen how it affected Rob and Jack.

People will state as though those are complaining "of course it is a recon, get over it" buthe the thing is, wherejected does this reconsider because it could have happened off so scrrent stop?

Apologres for typos
New phone and tablet and am not used to them yet

There was a character called Stephen Butler who worked on the farm though. He appeared January-May 2003 and was played by William Snape - who was better known as the kid from The Full Monty. His character would've been the same age as Robert, Andy etc.

It was another character called Ali Marsden who spread the rumour about Stephen being gay. Robert continued on with the homophobic jokes which eventually finished Stephen's friendship with Andy, who was uncomfortable with it. Stephen left the village soon after.

Here's an interesting bit from an episode synopsis I found from 19th May 2003:
''Robert is still reeling from Andy’s outburst and realises that his own brother may well be homophobic. Andy is defensive insisting he only joined in their taunts to shut them up – but Robert is not so sure, worried there‘s a deeper issue.''

It's not often this happens Kitkat but I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say here. Sorry if this makes me look thick

And I don't think my comment above is a reflection on the typos I just don't get the post but perhaps I'm overthinking it

I know you aren't thick so my post can't have been wEllen presented

Try again

I don't think posting evidence that Jack was capable of vioLeicester demonstrates that what Rob recounted wado truemail or that those complaining about what was said about zJack on Monday are old school people who won't have anything said against their characters

I know stuff happens thar we don't see. I know generally easy going people can have a dark side whicheck can come out in situations behind closed doors

I can believe that Jack might have reacted badly to finding rob in bed with a boy

What ì object to is that we are being told it happeneducation when there was nothing of screen at the time and if it had happened, we could at least have seen Jacks perspective

What doespecially learhering mean for example
I think thathe means a beating with a belt not what we saw jack do to anyone else