I posted the disclaimer before I saw your reply. It was general because I'm finding this predicted Tiverton text really hard

Me too.

Even the thread title comes across as an attempt to belittle anyone who actually watched the Jack years.

Noone has ever claimed Jack was a saint or never acted in a physically rough manner or violently but to suggest it was because Robert liked men which was never the case back then is utter rubbish

Jack was not an abusive dad and certainly not because of his sons sexuality.

Hear hear. We may as well never watch a soap again if we can't believe what we see or don't see with our own eyes.

This retconning rubbish is down to EP"s egos and their need to put their stamp on the show even if that means changing history. It's beneath contempt.

Too bad. Put it down to the fact that I did actually care a bit about the show's past, but don't worry, I don't now. If the showrunners don't, no reason why I should either.

Like I say, anything's up for grabs now. It doesn't matter what we've seen. Anyone can be gay. Anyone can turn out to be violent. Anyone can turn out to be a child abuser, including Robert himself. Or Aaron.

What I really don't get is this weird thing about making people Victims. Why is Robert being a Victim of lovely Jack's terrible beatings meant to make him more likeable? Same for Aaron? Having a sob story doesn't excuse anything we say or do, they're still horrible people. At least when Hollyoaks did this story first, they never tried to claim being abused meant Brendan Brady was anything other than a total bastard. The romanticization of victimhood is a really odd thing.

Anyway, it's done now. It's a shame, because one day, when Robron are long forgotten, people will still remember Jack.

Anyway there was no way Jack was homophobic. After all he had no problem with his dad being bisexual did he? How he laughed when as a teenager he found him in bed with Amos Brearley. It was all good clean fun. That is until the sheep joined in.

Exactly, well said.

It's nothing more than fan fiction, really. We can make anything up in our heads about what the characters get up to 'off screen' and nobody can argue otherwise now.

If Emmerdale don't plan on setting this straight (i.e. Robert's lying to sympathise with Aaron) then it's a big mistake.

OMG are we STILL talking about this........

Well done to those who proved what I had thought all along Jack was a thug and it wouldnt suprise me him belting his Robert ,enjoyed watching the clips.

I'm replying to someone who attacked me. Is that still allowed in fandom land?


So glad you're enjoying watching newly violent thug Jack thumping people. Happy Viewing!

I wasn't aiming my post at you so get off your high horse!

Then maybe you should have made it clear who you were aiming it at!

eta: if I was defensive, it was, um, because I was defensive. Apologies. I have dismounted my high horse. For you, anyway.

Come on everyone lets all be nice to each other and accept we all have different views ,we need to have a happy forum

Hello,
V interesting discussion going on here!! in my years of watching soaps i have realised that there is never a 'random' scene or line. Everything has a purpose and I personally think that the conversation where Robert recounted this story is significant, and notheing really to do with jack's character. I do think this conversation will be revisted and of course Victoria and/or Diane will get wind of it (the clue was when Rob said 'don't mention this to vic or Diane and Aaron said 'yeah of course). Its not a question of 'is robert gay and was he always gay' but for me its 'hmm why did he come up with this story'. remember Paddy's sceptism (apologies for bad spelling), when Rob went to see him and how quickly rob became so nasty?

The plot thickens..........i have to say i do like both actors and their charcters - as individuals rather than 'robron'

I hope so, I hope Diane goes ballistic about it. That would make me feel better about the whole thing.

BIB- ?????

Nice post silent tears

I would have quoted you wouldn't I? You are aware how posting works on here ??! Did i 'quote' you? No. Then it was not aimed at you......

I was aiming it at everyone, still bleating on nearly a week later about bloody Jack Sugden

But I am everyone!

Oof. I tried to apologize. I may have to get back on my high horse in a minute, he's been grazing all day with nowt to do.

Well this is a thread about Jack Sugden, if you don't like it you know what you can do.

Seeing as this is a thread specifically about Jack Sugden I think people can "bleat" about him as much as they want. No one is forcing you to click onto it. There are hundreds of other threads out there that you could pick.

My point was, how many more threads do we need about a character who has been dead and gone for years...jeez you lot take everything so LITERALLY! One thread would suffice. And i'm not the only one bored of this topic.

I agree about the amount of threads on Emmerdale. It's spamming

Well you failed to make that point, clearly.

I'd already made that complaint earlier in the thread as it was. Who is "you lot"? Where do you hail from?
What separates "us lot" from you?