There should definitely, 100% be a Johven Forum for ultra smutty fanfiction with a side-order of angst, and I'll reluctantly agree to allow other lesser fanfiction in there as well if people really want it.
Results:Should the soap forum have a fanfiction/creative writing section?
Yes, it should have a fanfiction/plotted ideas forum
32 (62.75%)
No, and fanfiction/plotted ideas are fine in the main forum
1 (1.96%)
No, but keep fanfiction/plotted ideas to the games room
18 (35.29%)
Voters: 51. You can't vote on this poll right now - are you signed in?
Request: Forum for FanFiction
2 of 3
Originally Posted by James J:
“If creative writing wasn't buried under 10 constantly updating "Change one letter of a soap character's name" threads, they'd have more exposure.
As The Queen Vic said above, a dedicated subform for creative writing and ideas would give the medium more exposure, where now it's essentially a graveyard in the games room which is filled with fun stuff and games.”
“If creative writing wasn't buried under 10 constantly updating "Change one letter of a soap character's name" threads, they'd have more exposure.
As The Queen Vic said above, a dedicated subform for creative writing and ideas would give the medium more exposure, where now it's essentially a graveyard in the games room which is filled with fun stuff and games.”
Does it really matter though? With the greatest respect, I'm sure if the 'creative writing' was that good people would go and read it in the games forum.
Originally Posted by dennisboy:
“Does it really matter though? With the greatest respect, I'm sure if the 'creative writing' was that good people would go and read it in the games forum.”
“Does it really matter though? With the greatest respect, I'm sure if the 'creative writing' was that good people would go and read it in the games forum.”
I don't agree.
Some people will just never even know it's there, and that's a fact.
No matter though as the situation won't change, DS are unlikely to add a sub forum for it so let's carry on not writing or reading creative work and stick to arguing with each other about how shit this producer is or how crap that soap is.
Creative writing is not the same as A-Z word games in my opinion. It's not a game. It might not be everyone's cup of tea but it's a bit more than just fun. For example my fictional storm idea has been shunted down 8 places by one poster adding to the various word games - all in the space of moments. Before long it'll be on page 2 and gone. What incentive is there for me to write any more when the exposure of that work is minimal? I won't sit there bumping my thread like a saddo, I'll just give up and not bother again.
People who've written creative posts can't compete with thread games which require quick-fire back-and-forth replies in the form of one word in a game. Especially with the volume of those A-Z games in the forum.
Originally Posted by James J:
“I don't agree.
Some people will just never even know it's there, and that's a fact.
No matter though as the situation won't change, DS are unlikely to add a sub forum for it so let's carry on not writing or reading creative work and stick to arguing with each other about how shit this producer is or how crap that soap is.
Creative writing is not the same as A-Z word games in my opinion. It's not a game. It might not be everyone's cup of tea but it's a bit more than just fun. For example my fictional storm idea has been shunted down 8 places by one poster adding to the various word games - all in the space of moments. Before long it'll be on page 2 and gone. What incentive is there for me to write any more when the exposure of that work is minimal? I won't sit there bumping my thread like a saddo, I'll just give up and not bother again.
People who've written creative posts can't compete with thread games which require quick-fire back-and-forth replies in the form of one word in a game. Especially with the volume of those A-Z games in the forum.”
“I don't agree.
Some people will just never even know it's there, and that's a fact.
No matter though as the situation won't change, DS are unlikely to add a sub forum for it so let's carry on not writing or reading creative work and stick to arguing with each other about how shit this producer is or how crap that soap is.
Creative writing is not the same as A-Z word games in my opinion. It's not a game. It might not be everyone's cup of tea but it's a bit more than just fun. For example my fictional storm idea has been shunted down 8 places by one poster adding to the various word games - all in the space of moments. Before long it'll be on page 2 and gone. What incentive is there for me to write any more when the exposure of that work is minimal? I won't sit there bumping my thread like a saddo, I'll just give up and not bother again.
People who've written creative posts can't compete with thread games which require quick-fire back-and-forth replies in the form of one word in a game. Especially with the volume of those A-Z games in the forum.”
James, it's simply a matter of supply and demand, not to mention democracy. People get to choose what they read on public forums, not have people trying to force their personal hobby on them by posting in the wrong place in the hope of attracting a few casual members who don't know where to look for fanfiction.
Apart from that, you are clearly passionate about your own writing and that's fine, but with or without a dedicated forum, and with the best will in the world, you are never going to be "discovered" at a hot new literary talent by writing fanfiction on DS. If you're serious you need to do something constructive like enrolling in a creative writing course to hone your skills, sending your work to magazines over and over again until one is published, etc. That should be your "incentive". Just trying to get cyber-applause from your various essays from a few DS fms should not be your goal.
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“ James, it's simply a matter of supply and demand, not to mention democracy. People get to choose what they read on public forums, not have people trying to force their personal hobby on them by posting in the wrong place in the hope of attracting a few casual members who don't know where to look for fanfiction.
Apart from that, you are clearly passionate about your own writing and that's fine, but with or without a dedicated forum, and with the best will in the world, you are never going to be "discovered" at a hot new literary talent by writing fanfiction on DS. If you're serious you need to do something constructive like enrolling in a creative writing course to hone your skills, sending your work to magazines over and over again until one is published, etc. That should be your "incentive". Just trying to get cyber-applause from your various essays from a few DS fms should not be your goal.”
“ James, it's simply a matter of supply and demand, not to mention democracy. People get to choose what they read on public forums, not have people trying to force their personal hobby on them by posting in the wrong place in the hope of attracting a few casual members who don't know where to look for fanfiction.
Apart from that, you are clearly passionate about your own writing and that's fine, but with or without a dedicated forum, and with the best will in the world, you are never going to be "discovered" at a hot new literary talent by writing fanfiction on DS. If you're serious you need to do something constructive like enrolling in a creative writing course to hone your skills, sending your work to magazines over and over again until one is published, etc. That should be your "incentive". Just trying to get cyber-applause from your various essays from a few DS fms should not be your goal.
”
I agree with your first paragraph but not your second. Many people who enjoy writing have no desire to be published. I certainly don't. I used to write a lot of fanfiction, fell out of love with it somewhere along the line, but still see the worth in it as a means of self-expression. I do still write occasionally for myself simply as a way to get thoughts out of my head and into something remotely constructive but nobody sees it but me and that's fine.
People who share their 'producer style' ideas on here may be doing it because they're hoping to fast-track themselves to a kushy writing job on their favourite soap but I expect the majority just do it because they feel passionately about the types of stories they'd like to see when they're watching and are seeking some sort of approval of those ideas. And that's absolutely fine. It's not up to you or anyone else to tell them to go and do something more productive with their time or tell them what their goals should be.
I voted for the Games Room, it's been successful in there before and it shouldn't clog up the main forum. At the end of the day if people are interested in the fan fiction they'll read it, you can't force them to.
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“There should definitely, 100% be a Johven Forum for ultra smutty fanfiction with a side-order of angst, and I'll reluctantly agree to allow other lesser fanfiction in there as well if people really want it.”
“There should definitely, 100% be a Johven Forum for ultra smutty fanfiction with a side-order of angst, and I'll reluctantly agree to allow other lesser fanfiction in there as well if people really want it.”
Isn't that Ao3
Originally Posted by James J:
“I don't agree.
Some people will just never even know it's there, and that's a fact.
No matter though as the situation won't change, DS are unlikely to add a sub forum for it so let's carry on not writing or reading creative work and stick to arguing with each other about how shit this producer is or how crap that soap is.
Creative writing is not the same as A-Z word games in my opinion. It's not a game. It might not be everyone's cup of tea but it's a bit more than just fun. For example my fictional storm idea has been shunted down 8 places by one poster adding to the various word games - all in the space of moments. Before long it'll be on page 2 and gone. What incentive is there for me to write any more when the exposure of that work is minimal? I won't sit there bumping my thread like a saddo, I'll just give up and not bother again.
People who've written creative posts can't compete with thread games which require quick-fire back-and-forth replies in the form of one word in a game. Especially with the volume of those A-Z games in the forum.”
“I don't agree.
Some people will just never even know it's there, and that's a fact.
No matter though as the situation won't change, DS are unlikely to add a sub forum for it so let's carry on not writing or reading creative work and stick to arguing with each other about how shit this producer is or how crap that soap is.
Creative writing is not the same as A-Z word games in my opinion. It's not a game. It might not be everyone's cup of tea but it's a bit more than just fun. For example my fictional storm idea has been shunted down 8 places by one poster adding to the various word games - all in the space of moments. Before long it'll be on page 2 and gone. What incentive is there for me to write any more when the exposure of that work is minimal? I won't sit there bumping my thread like a saddo, I'll just give up and not bother again.
People who've written creative posts can't compete with thread games which require quick-fire back-and-forth replies in the form of one word in a game. Especially with the volume of those A-Z games in the forum.”
Or post it on the many sites which already exist for such a platform including Ao3, Fanfiction.net or Livejournal?
Fanfiction belongs here:https://www.fanfiction.net , it doesn't belong on the main forum. The main forum is for posts and discussion on actual happenings and events in soaps, seeing posts about made up stuff is confusing and annoying, especially when there's spoilers in it as if it's a genuine storyline.
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“I agree with your first paragraph but not your second. Many people who enjoy writing have no desire to be published. I certainly don't. I used to write a lot of fanfiction, fell out of love with it somewhere along the line, but still see the worth in it as a means of self-expression. I do still write occasionally for myself simply as a way to get thoughts out of my head and into something remotely constructive but nobody sees it but me and that's fine.
People who share their 'producer style' ideas on here may be doing it because they're hoping to fast-track themselves to a kushy writing job on their favourite soap but I expect the majority just do it because they feel passionately about the types of stories they'd like to see when they're watching and are seeking some sort of approval of those ideas. And that's absolutely fine. It's not up to you or anyone else to tell them to go and do something more productive with their time or tell them what their goals should be.”
“I agree with your first paragraph but not your second. Many people who enjoy writing have no desire to be published. I certainly don't. I used to write a lot of fanfiction, fell out of love with it somewhere along the line, but still see the worth in it as a means of self-expression. I do still write occasionally for myself simply as a way to get thoughts out of my head and into something remotely constructive but nobody sees it but me and that's fine.
People who share their 'producer style' ideas on here may be doing it because they're hoping to fast-track themselves to a kushy writing job on their favourite soap but I expect the majority just do it because they feel passionately about the types of stories they'd like to see when they're watching and are seeking some sort of approval of those ideas. And that's absolutely fine. It's not up to you or anyone else to tell them to go and do something more productive with their time or tell them what their goals should be.”
Your first paragraph is the nub of the matter imo. Doing it for yourself. Yes it's a great form of self-expression - I've done it myself. The difference is that James clearly isn't just doing it for himself - he wants to be recognised by others for it. That's also fine, but he can't try and force others to be interested in his work by breaking the current DS rules and posting it outside of the designated area.
I was also genuinely trying to offer some constructive advice rather than see him 'give up' because he thinks he has no 'incentive' just because DS won't give him his own platform.
Hey ho, I've said my piece, nothing more I can add.
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“Your first paragraph is the nub of the matter imo. Doing it for yourself. Yes it's a great form of self-expression - I've done it myself. The difference is that James clearly isn't just doing it for himself - he wants to be recognised by others for it. That's also fine, but he can't try and force others to be interested in his work by breaking the current DS rules and posting it outside of the designated area.
I was also genuinely trying to offer some constructive advice rather than see him 'give up' because he thinks he has no 'incentive' just because DS won't give him his own platform.
Hey ho, I've said my piece, nothing more I can add.”
“Your first paragraph is the nub of the matter imo. Doing it for yourself. Yes it's a great form of self-expression - I've done it myself. The difference is that James clearly isn't just doing it for himself - he wants to be recognised by others for it. That's also fine, but he can't try and force others to be interested in his work by breaking the current DS rules and posting it outside of the designated area.
I was also genuinely trying to offer some constructive advice rather than see him 'give up' because he thinks he has no 'incentive' just because DS won't give him his own platform.
Hey ho, I've said my piece, nothing more I can add.
”
Fair enough, I probably should have read James's post in more detail before I replied to you, although looking at it I think what he's trying to say is that people who might be interested in reading fanfiction (his or others) might not realise it's there because posts are being buried in the Games Room. And if that's it, I tend to agree with him. I personally don't go in the Games Room as it doesn't interest me, although with that said, I don't tend to click on fanfiction threads even when I know they're there because the 'Producer Style' fanfiction that seems to be so prevalent on this simply doesn't interest me. I like fanfiction that reads like a novel, not like a script, and people don't seem to write that on here. But maybe they are and I'm just not seeing it? A fanfiction sub-section might help in that respect.
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“Fair enough, I probably should have read James's post in more detail before I replied to you, although looking at it I think what he's trying to say is that people who might be interested in reading fanfiction (his or others) might not realise it's there because posts are being buried in the Games Room. And if that's it, I tend to agree with him. I personally don't go in the Games Room as it doesn't interest me, although with that said, I don't tend to click on fanfiction threads even when I know they're there because the 'Producer Style' fanfiction that seems to be so prevalent on this simply doesn't interest me. I like fanfiction that reads like a novel, not like a script, and people don't seem to write that on here. But maybe they are and I'm just not seeing it? A fanfiction sub-section might help in that respect.”
“Fair enough, I probably should have read James's post in more detail before I replied to you, although looking at it I think what he's trying to say is that people who might be interested in reading fanfiction (his or others) might not realise it's there because posts are being buried in the Games Room. And if that's it, I tend to agree with him. I personally don't go in the Games Room as it doesn't interest me, although with that said, I don't tend to click on fanfiction threads even when I know they're there because the 'Producer Style' fanfiction that seems to be so prevalent on this simply doesn't interest me. I like fanfiction that reads like a novel, not like a script, and people don't seem to write that on here. But maybe they are and I'm just not seeing it? A fanfiction sub-section might help in that respect.”
Thank you for understanding what I meant rather than presuming I'm an attention seeker who thinks he's the dogs bollocks.
This place can be really tough!
Having a Fan-Fiction/Ideas area will also help de-clutter the main forum there are so many threads that base around Fan-Fiction such as times when people make all those Funny threads about characters/story-lines on the main forum when really it is just Fan-Fiction. Having a forum for it will help de-clutter the Main Forum and The Games Room. Plus it will bring more people to the forum as they can share there own ideas with everyone else.
Daniel the moderator was around earlier. Maybe if it stays on the front page he will reply next time he is here.
Originally Posted by Skittle Bomb:
“Daniel the moderator was around earlier. Maybe if it stays on the front page he will reply next time he is here.”
“Daniel the moderator was around earlier. Maybe if it stays on the front page he will reply next time he is here.
”
Hopefully.
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“Any writing is legitimate and gives great pleasure to those who engage in or with it. But there's already a place in the Games Room for fanfiction/creative writing and the relatively few people who are interested in reading it know where to find it. The very fact that everyone hates their particular thread being moved over there or into 'Chatter' ("where no one will read it" - I wonder why
) shows that it's of very limited interest to the vast majority of Soap fans, so why should they have it inflicted on them in the main Soap discussions forum? Heaven knows there are enough crap threads to scroll through in here already.”
“Any writing is legitimate and gives great pleasure to those who engage in or with it. But there's already a place in the Games Room for fanfiction/creative writing and the relatively few people who are interested in reading it know where to find it. The very fact that everyone hates their particular thread being moved over there or into 'Chatter' ("where no one will read it" - I wonder why
) shows that it's of very limited interest to the vast majority of Soap fans, so why should they have it inflicted on them in the main Soap discussions forum? Heaven knows there are enough crap threads to scroll through in here already.”
Yeah, while it would be nice for there to be a separate place for it, I don't mind it being in the games section.It's for fun things after all, and fanfiction is fun
Originally Posted by Skittle Bomb:
“Daniel the moderator was around earlier. Maybe if it stays on the front page he will reply next time he is here.”
“Daniel the moderator was around earlier. Maybe if it stays on the front page he will reply next time he is here.
”
Hopefully, although generally moderators don't really have control over this sort of stuff - I'm sure he'd feed it back to the admins if he's able to though.
Hi
We are always open to new forum ideas and are aware these types of posts and threads don't really have a specific location to call home (right now it's usually the Game Forum). In the future it could be something we implement and consider in an update. Thanks for the feedback and we will continue to monitor the forum / thread.
Regards,
DS
We are always open to new forum ideas and are aware these types of posts and threads don't really have a specific location to call home (right now it's usually the Game Forum). In the future it could be something we implement and consider in an update. Thanks for the feedback and we will continue to monitor the forum / thread.
Regards,
DS
Please consider it! I have loads of stuff saved. I have also wrote my own soap called 'Paradise Beach' which I would love to share on here. 
Originally Posted by Sophia Styles:
“Please consider it! I have loads of stuff saved. I have also wrote my own soap called 'Paradise Beach' which I would love to share on here.”
“Please consider it! I have loads of stuff saved. I have also wrote my own soap called 'Paradise Beach' which I would love to share on here.
”
I found a very sensationalist way to bring Pat Evans back to life.
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“I found a very sensationalist way to bring Pat Evans back to life.”
“I found a very sensationalist way to bring Pat Evans back to life.”
Oh now we need this forum
Originally Posted by Sophia Styles:
“Please consider it! I have loads of stuff saved. I have also wrote my own soap called 'Paradise Beach' which I would love to share on here.”
“Please consider it! I have loads of stuff saved. I have also wrote my own soap called 'Paradise Beach' which I would love to share on here.
”
Post it in the games room then put a shameless post in the daily episodes threads mentioning it. If ppl are interested they will look if not they won't and you don't annoy anyone by posting it in the main part of the forum
Originally Posted by Sophia Styles:
“Oh now we need this forum”
“Oh now we need this forum
”
It includes Frank as well I am dying to post it
2 of 3
