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Old 23-10-2016, 01:51
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What is wrong with Laura? I fast forwarded the recording and deleted it.
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Old 23-10-2016, 07:25
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What is wrong with Laura? I fast forwarded the recording and deleted it.
She hurt her ankle/foot in training and was told to rest it.

I recorded the show and fast forwarded through most of it. Skipped the vts - skipped the judge's comments and tbh skipped the majority of the routines this week but did watch to see what happened with Laura
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Old 23-10-2016, 07:44
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This is my first post so be gentle.......

Personally I much preferred SCD in the earlier series when they all did the same two dances and you could really compare. Plus that meant dances like the Paso didn't get brought out until about week 5 and you used to get some really good one's. I love to see a good paso and by people like Ed doing them, they lose their intensity.

I also think the judges are being over kind. Craig at least is still honest, but as he says do the others not realise they have paddles from 1-10 not just from 7-10.

I spot things that would have been pointed out in previous series, flat feet, pigeon toes, stoppy/starty dances but no one mentions it.

And if Len says once more "you came out and you went for it" I might scream
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Old 23-10-2016, 08:09
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I think we get used to certain pros and judges etc. Bruce gone(no lost for me, the man towards the end of his time was awful), Pros leave or the Beeb decides to shake it up and drop them, Len just going through the motions as its his last season.

There has been illness reported by a number of sources not just Brendan, there is a bug chest infection doing the rounds with the public as well.

In the early days it was vote for who you thought was the best dancer or danced this one the best. About 4 or 5 seasons back it because vote for your favourite, sometimes it is the best dancer sometimes not. The judges have caught on, and whilst pointing out what the celebs did wrong but now all about entertainment and what fun it was. If one of the dares say something neg the live audience are booing like mad. They are running out of people to go on the show, next season Georgie Shore People on here for years have complained about ringers etc, but again if they did stage school they will want to do Strictly. Most now come on to get their faces back out their and boost careers, some do it for fun still.

I am able to get RTE (Irish TV Channel) and they for a few years showed the US version Dancing With The Stars. I did watch and it was very interesting to see the difference in judging standards, Len and Bruno plus a woman who I do not know. Len was more relaxed and less about the actual dance techniques, and more the fun factor of the performers and dances. As we see now. Loads of lifts and nothing said about them, the Lindy Hop and the Charleston. It was a few years later we had the Charleston appear on Strictly. I am still waiting for the Lindy Hop to pop up. The show is now very similar to the US version. My brother in Canada often says to me oh they vote for some crap dancer because he/she comes across as nice. They are just awful but people like them, ex war hero, rapper etc. Its how you come across to the viewers not how good you dance now.

Its the nature of beast, evolve into razzle dazzle with a few good dancers thrown n.
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Old 23-10-2016, 08:38
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I agree. I ended up watching some old favourite dances from previous series the other day, and actually it just made me really miss the 'old days' of strictly. I've pretty much watched the show avidly since around Series 3, and having looked at old clips I'd say that around 2005-2010 were the shows glory days for me. Really high quality pros and engagement in the partnerships, high quality dances without gimmicks, and more honest marking. Honestly, Strictly at its best really made me quite ridiculously happy.

I've found myself a bit bored this series. Gimmicks and manipulation. A lot of the partnerships don't have the chemistry, and people have been matched up on the basis of publicity for the show rather than suitability or even appropriate heights in some cases. I also no longer really have favourites amongst the pros and don't enjoy the pro dances any more... Which used to be one of the parts of the show I looked forward to the most.

I would love to see a drawing back of some of the gimmicky and proppy, more manipulative elements. A bit more honesty. Go back to what the show should be about: teaching people to dance beautiful, high quality dances, and letting the viewer learn about the dances and be involved in the couples' journeys.
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Old 23-10-2016, 08:39
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Something not right with SCD

I would no longer watch if I hadn't the means to FF the waffle. Imo the show is no longer professional. I suppose it is down to what we see as entertainment.
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Old 23-10-2016, 08:41
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I think we get used to certain pros and judges etc. Bruce gone(no lost for me, the man towards the end of his time was awful), Pros leave or the Beeb decides to shake it up and drop them, Len just going through the motions as its his last season.

There has been illness reported by a number of sources not just Brendan, there is a bug chest infection doing the rounds with the public as well.

In the early days it was vote for who you thought was the best dancer or danced this one the best. About 4 or 5 seasons back it because vote for your favourite, sometimes it is the best dancer sometimes not. The judges have caught on, and whilst pointing out what the celebs did wrong but now all about entertainment and what fun it was. If one of the dares say something neg the live audience are booing like mad. They are running out of people to go on the show, next season Georgie Shore People on here for years have complained about ringers etc, but again if they did stage school they will want to do Strictly. Most now come on to get their faces back out their and boost careers, some do it for fun still.

I am able to get RTE (Irish TV Channel) and they for a few years showed the US version Dancing With The Stars. I did watch and it was very interesting to see the difference in judging standards, Len and Bruno plus a woman who I do not know. Len was more relaxed and less about the actual dance techniques, and more the fun factor of the performers and dances. As we see now. Loads of lifts and nothing said about them, the Lindy Hop and the Charleston. It was a few years later we had the Charleston appear on Strictly. I am still waiting for the Lindy Hop to pop up. The show is now very similar to the US version. My brother in Canada often says to me oh they vote for some crap dancer because he/she comes across as nice. They are just awful but people like them, ex war hero, rapper etc. Its how you come across to the viewers not how good you dance now.

Its the nature of beast, evolve into razzle dazzle with a few good dancers thrown n.
Very interesting observations, I also blame the show's format - much more is done for the sshow and less for the competition aspect.
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Old 23-10-2016, 08:46
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I've loved SCD since series 1. The costumes, the music, the dancing...with each series better than the last in all aspects. I always watch with my mum, and we get really invested in it. Watching ITT, getting to know all the dancers. It was a joy to behold to take our minds of our problems.
Yes, you read me correctly, WAS. What has happened to SCD??This year, 2016, something is broken. I don't know what it is, but it just doesn't feel the same. It has lost its sparkle; that special something that made it what it was.
I don't think it is the biased voting, as that has ALWAYS gone one, though admittedly, it seems worse this year. The judges don't even try and hide the fact they have their
favourites, who they over- mark. But other than that, the costumes are still fab, the music is still wonderful, and the professionals are as amazing as ever. And yet, and yet...something missing this way comes.
Once upon a time, I'd have recorded SCD, and watched my favourite dances a few times, now I can't be bothered with it. I don't watch ITT, and I whizz through the in-between bits on a Saturday, just watching the dances themselves. I wish I knew what had changed.
Disagree, is a great show, nothing's changed.
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Old 23-10-2016, 09:50
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I agree with the OP - and I think it's partly the "non-celebs" that they have this year but I also think the biggest downturn is because most of the current dancers have no personality;

the days of Vincent, Artem, Ian, James (as annoying as he was), Ola, Aliona, Flavia, Robin with their quips and jibes, to name a few, seem long gone; even Brendan has lost his fire. All we get now is the judges spewing out the same boring comments, cliches and over-marks so sadly I agree, it has all gone a bit boring.
I agree with all of this. There was too much hype leading up to the first show, drip feeding us with celeb reveals, teasing us with snippets of what was to come but then the show is a let down because it doesn't live up to expectations. I like seeing new pros but the characters who make it entertaining don't seem to want to hang around after one or two series i.e. Gleb & Tristan. This is the first time I've not had a favourite, someone I look forward to watching each week and already I'm not really bothered who wins the glitterball and it's only week 5. Overall this series feels bland and lacklustre for me.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:09
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I've loved SCD since series 1. The costumes, the music, the dancing...with each series better than the last in all aspects. I always watch with my mum, and we get really invested in it. Watching ITT, getting to know all the dancers. It was a joy to behold to take our minds of our problems.
Yes, you read me correctly, WAS. What has happened to SCD??This year, 2016, something is broken. I don't know what it is, but it just doesn't feel the same. It has lost its sparkle; that special something that made it what it was.
I don't think it is the biased voting, as that has ALWAYS gone one, though admittedly, it seems worse this year. The judges don't even try and hide the fact they have their
favourites, who they over- mark. But other than that, the costumes are still fab, the music is still wonderful, and the professionals are as amazing as ever. And yet, and yet...something missing this way comes.
Once upon a time, I'd have recorded SCD, and watched my favourite dances a few times, now I can't be bothered with it. I don't watch ITT, and I whizz through the in-between bits on a Saturday, just watching the dances themselves. I wish I knew what had changed.
As we only recognised 5 of the starting 15, there was less interest in my house than usual. That said, we thought the standing of dancing was higher than usual in the first few episodes. Apart Ed Balls, no predictable terrible dancer for the judges to rip apart and complain that the audience wasn't sending them home.

There has been quite a lot of disruption to the normal process this year. No dance-off in week one due to injury and the injured party being the one to continue into week two. A celebrety quitting, another injury this week and Illness amoung the pro dancers.

It is all adding up and spoilling the enjoyment.
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:08
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That's been happening for years, so that's nothing new about this year.

I sort of get what you mean though, I'm nowhere near as invested as I used to be - most of the dancers don't excite me, the pro routines aren't as good as they used to be and wardrobe should be sacked as we get about two good dresses a week at best. It's not about the dancing as much as it used to be, so I really lost a bit of interest years ago in that respect, but the gimmicky VTs and themes are just getting worse and worse.
Think you have summed it up for me - although I do like Greg and Daisy and Claudia - good music only seems to be given to Ore and Joanne - and I am beginning to dislike Tess for some reason. The VTs are horrendous - wish I could delete them. Think the show needs at least one new host and the 'guests' with Claudia should be done away with!
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:11
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See my thread Show Needs new Hosts which sprang out of this one. OP makes a good analysis
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:12
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I agree. I ended up watching some old favourite dances from previous series the other day, and actually it just made me really miss the 'old days' of strictly. I've pretty much watched the show avidly since around Series 3, and having looked at old clips I'd say that around 2005-2010 were the shows glory days for me. Really high quality pros and engagement in the partnerships, high quality dances without gimmicks, and more honest marking. Honestly, Strictly at its best really made me quite ridiculously happy.

I've found myself a bit bored this series. Gimmicks and manipulation. A lot of the partnerships don't have the chemistry, and people have been matched up on the basis of publicity for the show rather than suitability or even appropriate heights in some cases. I also no longer really have favourites amongst the pros and don't enjoy the pro dances any more... Which used to be one of the parts of the show I looked forward to the most.

I would love to see a drawing back of some of the gimmicky and proppy, more manipulative elements. A bit more honesty. Go back to what the show should be about: teaching people to dance beautiful, high quality dances, and letting the viewer learn about the dances and be involved in the couples' journeys.
Here, here - and get pro dancers with some personality and creativity - like Artem's Swan Lake and Gleb's pasos. The current crop are all too young and bland!
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:38
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Here, here - and get pro dancers with some personality and creativity - like Artem's Swan Lake and Gleb's pasos. The current crop are all too young and bland!
Amen to this. When Balls dance is announced it's time for me to put the kettle on, same goes for Claudia and her young pro. Anton, Brendan and Natalie are the ones who keep me watching. Kevin makes me grind my teeth and I can't bear Alijas - to me they're blancmange compared to Artem and Gleb's fiery chili
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:38
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I stopped watching ITT this year for the first time in many years.

Apart from RInder and Balls I find them too earnest and boring
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:49
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I agree. I ended up watching some old favourite dances from previous series the other day, and actually it just made me really miss the 'old days' of strictly. I've pretty much watched the show avidly since around Series 3, and having looked at old clips I'd say that around 2005-2010 were the shows glory days for me. Really high quality pros and engagement in the partnerships, high quality dances without gimmicks, and more honest marking. Honestly, Strictly at its best really made me quite ridiculously happy.

I've found myself a bit bored this series. Gimmicks and manipulation. A lot of the partnerships don't have the chemistry, and people have been matched up on the basis of publicity for the show rather than suitability or even appropriate heights in some cases. I also no longer really have favourites amongst the pros and don't enjoy the pro dances any more... Which used to be one of the parts of the show I looked forward to the most.

I would love to see a drawing back of some of the gimmicky and proppy, more manipulative elements. A bit more honesty. Go back to what the show should be about: teaching people to dance beautiful, high quality dances, and letting the viewer learn about the dances and be involved in the couples' journeys.
Definitely agree with all the above. Series 2 to 5/6 until Austin went was the absolute high point for me. I never missed Claudia on ITT and got quite ridiculously invested, not least because we got to know the contestants as people, and not just performing stupid skits.

Aside from the getting away from the basics of ballroom dancing, I just think it's way too over produced. It is still the only thing I ever watch on telly, and occasionally there is a lovely moment that recaptures some magic, but the only time I did get invested over the last few years was for Kara and Artem, the rest of the time it's all been very meh in comparison.

And shoot me but Bruce at his best contributed to some all time great moments, not least his cheeky put down to Ricky after his arrest and Mark and Karen's salsa.
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:58
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Was thinking the same thing last night I think what has finally got under my skin is those silly really stupid Video EG. couple in Paris to me they get more crass each year aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and they are not needed aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr
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Old 23-10-2016, 12:03
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Something not right with SCD

I would no longer watch if I hadn't the means to FF the waffle. Imo the show is no longer professional. I suppose it is down to what we see as entertainment.
Same for me. I get through SCD in a about 20 minutes now. I skip the silly training videos, skip Tess's awful intros and, once I'm a couple of shows in, I start skipping the couples I don't like!

I think the main problem is that they have lost a lot of the personalities within the dancers. There are very few I care about now. I don't even bother voting unless a couple really interest me. I didn't like James Jordan for example, but I liked what he added to the show in terms of him arguing back and sticking up for his partner. Brendan used to do that, but he seems to have be told to stay in line (fear of the sack?). I miss people like Vincent, Artem and Robin Windsor - the new dancers just seem so bland.

The celebs can make a difference to - its nice to have people who are celebrities for their achievements, not their parentage. Daisy Lowe is probably lovely but she is only mildly well-known for who her parents are and for hanging round with the Geldofs. Claudia isn't really a celeb either, whereas I would say Greg is, as he has been around for a while and done other media, plus has loads of achievements, rather than cashing in on just one good competition (sorry if that sounds harsh). So, its like watching someone off the street for me with those two. I also think it would be better without all the drama/dance school trained celebs, as its pretty boring watching people who can dance from day one. I think my all time favourite celeb in terms of what they achieved on SCD was Mark Ramprakash.

I agree with a previous poster who said it was better when they had just a couple of dances each week, so you could really compare the dancers to see who was doing them best. And who picks the music? Some of the songs chosen are almost impossible to dance to.

Get rid of the silly set-up intros and show some proper training footage. Maybe give a bit of info about each dance, so us amateur viewers have an idea of what we should be looking for, and so we can decide for ourselves, with a bit of knowledge, who did good.
Finally, could we lose Tess. I'm sure she's lovely but she's almost as cringey as Bruce. I love Claudia though.
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Old 23-10-2016, 12:07
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See my thread Show Needs new Hosts which sprang out of this one. OP makes a good analysis
And the majorly on that thread post, we do not need new hosts.

Ten million viewers last night, the ailing X Factor just got six million, changes kill a show.
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Old 23-10-2016, 12:36
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Here, here - and get pro dancers with some personality and creativity - like Artem's Swan Lake and Gleb's pasos. The current crop are all too young and bland!
Absolutely! Love them or loathe them, I think the show absolutely needs the non-purist choreographers to provide some spice and food for discussion. We need some grit in the show, it's all too nice.

Same goes for off the dance floor - I miss being annoyed at James and Ola (never thought I would say that), miss rolling my eyes at Vincent, miss Artem being grumpy and Iveta being hilarious. It's partly due to the show being over produced now, of course, but I think the pro line-up is definitely missing some "real" characters. Same goes for the celeb line-up this year, but at least that is temporary. We'll be stuck with most of the pros.
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Old 23-10-2016, 13:38
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Last night's show was very lacklustre even the judges except Bruno seem bored I didn't even vote which I normally do
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Old 23-10-2016, 23:43
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This is my first post so be gentle.......

Personally I much preferred SCD in the earlier series when they all did the same two dances and you could really compare. Plus that meant dances like the Paso didn't get brought out until about week 5 and you used to get some really good one's. I love to see a good paso and by people like Ed doing them, they lose their intensity.

I also think the judges are being over kind. Craig at least is still honest, but as he says do the others not realise they have paddles from 1-10 not just from 7-10.

I spot things that would have been pointed out in previous series, flat feet, pigeon toes, stoppy/starty dances but no one mentions it.

And if Len says once more "you came out and you went for it" I might scream
I agree with every word you've posted! And welcome to the forum
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Old 24-10-2016, 00:00
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Familiarity breeds contempt. You have just watched too much of what is essentially formulaic tv.

The Bake Off is the same. I am bored with it, and won't be watching it on Ch4.
A rather odd comment to make, seeing as the new Bake Off on Channel 4 will be anything but familiar. With a new judge, new presenters, commercial breaks and perhaps a new style you would have thought it would be the very thing you needed to stop being bored of it?
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Old 24-10-2016, 00:11
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I've just got to ask the obvious question...............why on earth watch a programme that has so many flaws?

Please don't spin the old chestnut that SCD is not as good as it used to be. *yawn*
Imho the only major problem with Strictly is the painfully unfunny Claudia Winkleman.

I watched the X-Factor avidly until I got totally fed up with it THEN I stopped watching it.
If you don't enjoy it (and I really do) stop watching it and it won't annoy you any more.
Simple.
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Old 24-10-2016, 00:25
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Personaly I'm enjoying this series, especially seeing Oti get a decent run we didn't see enough of her last year, and I enoyed Lesley and Anton couldn't stand him with that posh bird last year.
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