Originally Posted by What name??:
“I'll let you know. I'm looking forward to Ed's cha cha.”
“I'll let you know. I'm looking forward to Ed's cha cha.”
yes, but out of schadenfreude
When has the joke gone to far
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Somebody free Katya before she ends up in A&E. When he said "SOMEBODY STOP ME!!!" during Movie week I thought he was just getting into character but it turns out it was a threat, he needs to be stopped before he does some real damage to Katya and the strictly floor! 
Found his mask and Banjo dances ok but since then I have felt disappointed he hasn't gone especially as tonight we lost Lesley.
Poor Katya, it's her first SCD and she may be enjoying it in some small way, but really she needs to be set free from SCD's version of hell!!
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I think she thought that one of his strengths was doing lifts, which is why she chose a difficult one for him to do. However it spectacularly backfired, but she wasn't to know that if he really does perform better in rehearsal. Last night there was not a lot of foxtrot, but I think it is the only time I have had a real issue with her choreography. The paso choreography was ok (except she probably should have left the capework out).
Jo and Oti have been lucky this year, not just because their partners are good, but because by all accounts they actually perform better on the night than in rehearsals. It is much more usual for someone the peform down a level like Ed, and factoring that into the routine (i.e. deciding how demanding to make it) is quite difficult.”
“I think she thought that one of his strengths was doing lifts, which is why she chose a difficult one for him to do. However it spectacularly backfired, but she wasn't to know that if he really does perform better in rehearsal. Last night there was not a lot of foxtrot, but I think it is the only time I have had a real issue with her choreography. The paso choreography was ok (except she probably should have left the capework out).
Jo and Oti have been lucky this year, not just because their partners are good, but because by all accounts they actually perform better on the night than in rehearsals. It is much more usual for someone the peform down a level like Ed, and factoring that into the routine (i.e. deciding how demanding to make it) is quite difficult.”
Yeah, I got that, Ann. She thought he could do something, he couldn't and it backfired. Pros make mistakes too. It's happened before and will happen again.
I was just very bemused at the tone of some posters in this thread blaming Katya for "not catering to the best Ed can do" or saying that his partner's choreography is "not good enough". Well, it's not her fault the man can't dance. The way they speaking you'd think Fred Astaire was sent to dance lessons with Ann Widdicombe!
To answer the OP - for Ed, the joke went too far after week 2 (week 1 he was actually good). For Judge Rinder, the joke went too far about 15 seconds into his routine week 1.
Maybe for you, but I can't think of many things worse than having to sit through Judge Rinder's dances - those facial expressions are as far away from entertainment as you're likely to get! And likewise Ed is not entertaining in the slightest.
On the other hand, I love watching both Ore and Danny - sublime dancing is the best form of entertainment there could possibly be.
Originally Posted by BeyonceCastle:
“At least they are both interesting to watch. Danny, Ore and Louise last night were like watching paint dry.”
“At least they are both interesting to watch. Danny, Ore and Louise last night were like watching paint dry.”
Maybe for you, but I can't think of many things worse than having to sit through Judge Rinder's dances - those facial expressions are as far away from entertainment as you're likely to get! And likewise Ed is not entertaining in the slightest.
On the other hand, I love watching both Ore and Danny - sublime dancing is the best form of entertainment there could possibly be.
Originally Posted by Camino:
“Balls gets on my nerves every week he says he was better in rehearsals but I doubt that very much he needs to go
”
“Balls gets on my nerves every week he says he was better in rehearsals but I doubt that very much he needs to go
”
I really wish the beeb or ITT would give us access to the rehearsal footage as an extra, especially when it may be very different to what we end up seeing (Ana's salsa, Greg's salsa, Ed's paso and AS, Laura's jive). They're missing a trick there, same as training footage, they would have lots of views.
I was thrilled to find James and Pamela's AT on youtube. I would have loved to have seen Artem and Nat's jive (only got grainy footage of tour jive).
Do they not film the rehearsals on a Friday, like DWTS? or do they just practise/plot the camera angles without film in the camera?!
Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“I was just very bemused at the tone of some posters in this thread blaming Katya for "not catering to the best Ed can do" or saying that his partner's choreography is "not good enough". Well, it's not her fault the man can't dance. The way they speaking you'd think Fred Astaire was sent to dance lessons with Ann Widdicombe!”
“I was just very bemused at the tone of some posters in this thread blaming Katya for "not catering to the best Ed can do" or saying that his partner's choreography is "not good enough". Well, it's not her fault the man can't dance. The way they speaking you'd think Fred Astaire was sent to dance lessons with Ann Widdicombe!”
They have a point - Katya could have put together a very simple routine and taught him to do it well, like she did with their Waltz. She chose not to. Yes, she couldn't have predicted that Ed would forget the Paso entirely or mess up a lift in the AS, but she has control over the choreography and she could simplify it if she wanted to. It might serve him better if she did.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“To answer the OP - for Ed, the joke went too far after week 2 (week 1 he was actually good). For Judge Rinder, the joke went too far about 15 seconds into his routine week 1.
Maybe for you, but I can't think of many things worse than having to sit through Judge Rinder's dances - those facial expressions are as far away from entertainment as you're likely to get! And likewise Ed is not entertaining in the slightest.
On the other hand, I love watching both Ore and Danny - sublime dancing is the best form of entertainment there could possibly be.”
“To answer the OP - for Ed, the joke went too far after week 2 (week 1 he was actually good). For Judge Rinder, the joke went too far about 15 seconds into his routine week 1.
Maybe for you, but I can't think of many things worse than having to sit through Judge Rinder's dances - those facial expressions are as far away from entertainment as you're likely to get! And likewise Ed is not entertaining in the slightest.
On the other hand, I love watching both Ore and Danny - sublime dancing is the best form of entertainment there could possibly be.”
Different folks, different strokes. I did say #last night, as I do not like rumba or waltz. Have loved the other four Ore routines and Danny is flawless. Cannot take to Lou.
But I will have to agree to disagree with you on what constitutes entertainment: Strictly has always been, for better or worse, based on personalities, chemistry, music, developing partnerships rather than just the purity of the dance. Or it would be Come Dancing.
I find Rob very watchable and think he is great at interviews. Ed is carcrash tv and comes across as an underdog. Others pretending to find it hard or being nervous or being overemotional don't interview well or float my boat.
But it's all subjective. It would be boring if we all thought the same
Oh dear - seeing the lift in slow motion tonight was even more . Claudia and the judges trying to talk about it and keep a straight face was hilarious. Just glad they got away without doing themselves an injury (Ed & Katya I mean, not Claudia and the judges 
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. Claudia and the judges trying to talk about it and keep a straight face was hilarious. Just glad they got away without doing themselves an injury (Ed & Katya I mean, not Claudia and the judges ).
Originally Posted by edy10:
“Sick and tired of this. Every year we have the same arguments and some people STILL refuse to get it. The rules are to vote for your favorite dancer NOT vote for the best dancer. Once again, I reiterate your favorite dancer. . If I can't warm up to some of the best dancers ( Louise, Laura, Daisy, Ore ), it's my prerogative to vote for the Ed, Judge Rinder...... of the show the so called comedy contestants. Because guess what ? They're my favorites, I don't care if the best dancers I mentioned above get eliminated before them. That's just the way things are. It's annoying to have to justify these things every year 😐😐”
“Sick and tired of this. Every year we have the same arguments and some people STILL refuse to get it. The rules are to vote for your favorite dancer NOT vote for the best dancer. Once again, I reiterate your favorite dancer. . If I can't warm up to some of the best dancers ( Louise, Laura, Daisy, Ore ), it's my prerogative to vote for the Ed, Judge Rinder...... of the show the so called comedy contestants. Because guess what ? They're my favorites, I don't care if the best dancers I mentioned above get eliminated before them. That's just the way things are. It's annoying to have to justify these things every year 😐😐”
Love your thinking and so agree
Originally Posted by What name??:
“They really don't, The better dancers just have to work on more advanced moves and polishing them. I really don't think a professional dancer works less than a learner!”
“They really don't, The better dancers just have to work on more advanced moves and polishing them. I really don't think a professional dancer works less than a learner!”
I watch SCD to see people learning to dance and gradually improve, I do not watch it to see those that are already professionals hone their skill. I have as much right as you to see those I prefer watching staying in the show as you have watching your professional celebs.
I think the public will want a bit longer out of the 'joke act' Balls so Rinder will probably go next week then Balls in the next few weeks.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“They have a point - Katya could have put together a very simple routine and taught him to do it well, like she did with their Waltz. She chose not to. Yes, she couldn't have predicted that Ed would forget the Paso entirely or mess up a lift in the AS, but she has control over the choreography and she could simplify it if she wanted to. It might serve him better if she did.”
“They have a point - Katya could have put together a very simple routine and taught him to do it well, like she did with their Waltz. She chose not to. Yes, she couldn't have predicted that Ed would forget the Paso entirely or mess up a lift in the AS, but she has control over the choreography and she could simplify it if she wanted to. It might serve him better if she did.”
Yes, I agree she could have simplified but it's an AS after all, and it's supposed to have lifts in it, maybe she could have been less ambitious in that aspect. Or maybe it's just like Ann said, it went well in rehearsal and she thought it'd be fine on the night. However, I can't see how everything else can be her fault (him forgetting the routine and being crap in general)
Originally Posted by BeyonceCastle:
“Different folks, different strokes. I did say #last night, as I do not like rumba or waltz. Have loved the other four Ore routines and Danny is flawless. Cannot take to Lou.
But I will have to agree to disagree with you on what constitutes entertainment: Strictly has always been, for better or worse, based on personalities, chemistry, music, developing partnerships rather than just the purity of the dance. Or it would be Come Dancing.
I find Rob very watchable and think he is great at interviews. Ed is carcrash tv and comes across as an underdog. Others pretending to find it hard or being nervous or being overemotional don't interview well or float my boat.
But it's all subjective. It would be boring if we all thought the same”
“Different folks, different strokes. I did say #last night, as I do not like rumba or waltz. Have loved the other four Ore routines and Danny is flawless. Cannot take to Lou.
But I will have to agree to disagree with you on what constitutes entertainment: Strictly has always been, for better or worse, based on personalities, chemistry, music, developing partnerships rather than just the purity of the dance. Or it would be Come Dancing.
I find Rob very watchable and think he is great at interviews. Ed is carcrash tv and comes across as an underdog. Others pretending to find it hard or being nervous or being overemotional don't interview well or float my boat.
But it's all subjective. It would be boring if we all thought the same
”
Strictly used to be much more about the purity of dance than it is now - look back at the standard of some of the previous series where there were no stupid themes and the music was chosen by the pros and appropriate for the dance and that's pretty obvious.
To be honest, I find watching clips of the old Come Dancing far more entertaining that much of this series of Strictly - I'm only really enjoying watching Ore, Danny, and most weeks Daisy. Carcrash TV doesn't entertain me at all, and in complete contrast to you I find Ed and Judge Rinder really irritating and don't think Ore or Danny are pretending at all. Each to their own - and it certainly reduces my TV viewing time when I end up fast-forwarding through more of ITT than I actually watch!
Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“Yes, I agree she could have simplified but it's an AS after all, and it's supposed to have lifts in it, maybe she could have been less ambitious in that aspect. Or maybe it's just like Ann said, it went well in rehearsal and she thought it'd be fine on the night. However, I can't see how everything else can be her fault (him forgetting the routine and being crap in general)”
“Yes, I agree she could have simplified but it's an AS after all, and it's supposed to have lifts in it, maybe she could have been less ambitious in that aspect. Or maybe it's just like Ann said, it went well in rehearsal and she thought it'd be fine on the night. However, I can't see how everything else can be her fault (him forgetting the routine and being crap in general)”
Him being crap in general is something she can't do anything about, but simplifying the choreography could help him remember it - I've always found it much easier to remember how to do more straightforward figures!
An AS doesn't have to have lifts - we've had ones before where there were no lifts at all (Dani & Vincent, for example), and others which have had simple lifts. There really wasn't any need to do the ridiculously big one.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Strictly used to be much more about the purity of dance than it is now - look back at the standard of some of the previous series where there were no stupid themes and the music was chosen by the pros and appropriate for the dance and that's pretty obvious.
To be honest, I find watching clips of the old Come Dancing far more entertaining that much of this series of Strictly - I'm only really enjoying watching Ore, Danny, and most weeks Daisy. Carcrash TV doesn't entertain me at all, and in complete contrast to you I find Ed and Judge Rinder really irritating and don't think Ore or Danny are pretending at all. Each to their own - and it certainly reduces my TV viewing time when I end up fast-forwarding through more of ITT than I actually watch!”
“Strictly used to be much more about the purity of dance than it is now - look back at the standard of some of the previous series where there were no stupid themes and the music was chosen by the pros and appropriate for the dance and that's pretty obvious.
To be honest, I find watching clips of the old Come Dancing far more entertaining that much of this series of Strictly - I'm only really enjoying watching Ore, Danny, and most weeks Daisy. Carcrash TV doesn't entertain me at all, and in complete contrast to you I find Ed and Judge Rinder really irritating and don't think Ore or Danny are pretending at all. Each to their own - and it certainly reduces my TV viewing time when I end up fast-forwarding through more of ITT than I actually watch!”
Yes but in the old days they would demolished Ed Balls every week like they did John Sergeant and well they didn't go well.
For me there are two half's of the show now pre Blackpool which is entertainment and post Blackpool where the dance element comes back in when the stronger dancers battle it out to Christmas.
Ed falls into that category of celeb where a comedy twist to the Latin is enjoyable but I think he's capable of doing Ballroom properly and should really have been given a chance to this weekend. However, I didn't want to see him punished for having silly music foisted on him so I voted - but if they wanted 'smooth' they should've given him Sinatra not Armarillo.
(Just want to add that this part of the series where people start getting told off for doing exactly what they'e asked to do - vote for their 'favourites' - is really tedious).
(Just want to add that this part of the series where people start getting told off for doing exactly what they'e asked to do - vote for their 'favourites' - is really tedious).
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Strictly used to be much more about the purity of dance than it is now - look back at the standard of some of the previous series where there were no stupid themes and the music was chosen by the pros and appropriate for the dance and that's pretty obvious.
To be honest, I find watching clips of the old Come Dancing far more entertaining that much of this series of Strictly - I'm only really enjoying watching Ore, Danny, and most weeks Daisy. Carcrash TV doesn't entertain me at all, and in complete contrast to you I find Ed and Judge Rinder really irritating and don't think Ore or Danny are pretending at all. Each to their own - and it certainly reduces my TV viewing time when I end up fast-forwarding through more of ITT than I actually watch!”
“Strictly used to be much more about the purity of dance than it is now - look back at the standard of some of the previous series where there were no stupid themes and the music was chosen by the pros and appropriate for the dance and that's pretty obvious.
To be honest, I find watching clips of the old Come Dancing far more entertaining that much of this series of Strictly - I'm only really enjoying watching Ore, Danny, and most weeks Daisy. Carcrash TV doesn't entertain me at all, and in complete contrast to you I find Ed and Judge Rinder really irritating and don't think Ore or Danny are pretending at all. Each to their own - and it certainly reduces my TV viewing time when I end up fast-forwarding through more of ITT than I actually watch!”
Agree with you about themes and props (DWTS influence)
Funnily enough, giving the choice of music back to the pros is just what I have typed in another thread as something I'd love to see (except Brendan choosing Beautiful Day for a paso..happy never to see that again).
But...purity of the dance vs ''personalities''
Series One....Christopher Parker
In fact, most series had either:
a duffer
a comedy contestant
a trier
an underdog
a people's champion
Leave it to you to work out which these were
Christopher Parker 2nd
Julian Clary 3rd
Dennis Taylor wk 5
Peter Schmeichel wk 7
John Barnes wk 8
John Sergeant wk 9
Chris Hollins 1st
Widdy wk 10
Russell Grant wk 8
Lisa Riley wk 11
Mark Benton wk 10
Judy Murray wk 8 (Scott Mills wk 6)
Jeremy Vine wk 8
Ed Balls (Judge Rinder)
a duffer
a comedy contestant
a trier
an underdog
a people's champion
Leave it to you to work out which these were
Christopher Parker 2nd
Julian Clary 3rd
Dennis Taylor wk 5
Peter Schmeichel wk 7
John Barnes wk 8
John Sergeant wk 9
Chris Hollins 1st
Widdy wk 10
Russell Grant wk 8
Lisa Riley wk 11
Mark Benton wk 10
Judy Murray wk 8 (Scott Mills wk 6)
Jeremy Vine wk 8
Ed Balls (Judge Rinder)
Originally Posted by Kiki_Kitten:
“Don't knock it. I've seen young women come for a job interview almost dressed like that.”
“Don't knock it. I've seen young women come for a job interview almost dressed like that.”
[/quote]So did they get the job?
I'm mixed on the comedy, I like it when it works and hate it when it doesn't and that's usually a matter of opinion.
But it wasn't funny seeing Ed nearly drop Katya. Maybe it was funny 2nd time when you know he doesn't drop her but 1st time was worrying. I admire them for trusting each other and themselves enough to do the lift again straight away. I dropped a girl once and it feels so awful. And that was just me, it's worse for the one who gets dropped.
I agree, give him simpler choreography. It's funnier when someone is supposed to look stupid than when they look stupid by messing up.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Strictly used to be much more about the purity of dance than it is now - look back at the standard of some of the previous series where there were no stupid themes and the music was chosen by the pros and appropriate for the dance and that's pretty obvious.
...”
“Strictly used to be much more about the purity of dance than it is now - look back at the standard of some of the previous series where there were no stupid themes and the music was chosen by the pros and appropriate for the dance and that's pretty obvious.
...”
Exactly!
Look at Chris Parker's Paso, back in the day - no stupid themes, music that was appropriate for the dance. The purity of dance.
Purity... always purity!
As Don Lockwood almost said.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“The secret is, to get nice comments from Craig after weeks of negativity. Then the support seems to dry up.”
“The secret is, to get nice comments from Craig after weeks of negativity. Then the support seems to dry up.”
Been watching for years and I've noticed that as soon as the 'rubbish' contestants get reasonable comments from the judges, they end up in the dance off and voted out. The viewers either vote out of sympathy for the pasting they get every week or it's a kind of 'up yours' to the judges to keep them in.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Each year more pantomime characters are added to the celebrity line-up. It will never has and never will be any different.
This year, I think Ed Balls is supposed to be Shrek and Rinder, Donkey.”
“Each year more pantomime characters are added to the celebrity line-up. It will never has and never will be any different.
This year, I think Ed Balls is supposed to be Shrek and Rinder, Donkey.”
I'm waiting to see if they give Ore a big hat to clutch under his chin as he does his Puss in Boots "big eyes, lip quivering" routine
Can they not give the man a nice waltz or foxtrot?
Getting tired of the producers constantly saddling him with the novelty dances.
If they are doing it to get rid of him by making him look terrible, it clearly isn't working as he's still there.
Getting tired of the producers constantly saddling him with the novelty dances.
If they are doing it to get rid of him by making him look terrible, it clearly isn't working as he's still there.
On a light entertainment show I don't think the 'joke' can ever go too far. It ends when people stop voting for whoever is considered to be a 'joke' celeb and not everyone will agree on what constitutes a joke celeb anyway
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