Firstly I do like Ore but this whole emotional wreck thing is starting to wear thin he clearly thinks he is better than he is and last night when the judges gave their scores I think he expected 10s across the board maybe someone should let him know he constantly over marked. If this is judges idea of favouring him it's doing the complete opposite. This is what happened Kelly last season.
Ore really starting to annoy me!
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Originally Posted by J05h:
“Firstly I do like Ore but this whole emotional wreck thing is starting to wear thin he clearly thinks he is better than he is and last night when the judges gave their scores I think he expected 10s across the board maybe someone should let him know he constantly over marked. If this is judges idea of favouring him it's doing the complete opposite. This is what happened Kelly last season.”
“Firstly I do like Ore but this whole emotional wreck thing is starting to wear thin he clearly thinks he is better than he is and last night when the judges gave their scores I think he expected 10s across the board maybe someone should let him know he constantly over marked. If this is judges idea of favouring him it's doing the complete opposite. This is what happened Kelly last season.”
I'm on the fence about Ore. I like him, but then he goes a bit OTT and I'm not sure again. I think he was overmarked last night, but disagree he was expecting 10s. I thought he was expecting much worse from the judges and was confused by their comments.
Agree that there's a danger the judges will push viewers away from them if they continue to gush. I see that they want to make this a competition with Danny, but like Kellie last year and Dr Hammy years ago, it will backfire.
If only he had been with another pro (someone with more "fire" like Oksana, Katya or Iveta) I think he would come across better.
Joanne is a fabulous ballroom dancer but has a extremely sweet sort of nature that combined with Ore emotions (nothing wrong with them) makes them too much for some people.
Joanne is a fabulous ballroom dancer but has a extremely sweet sort of nature that combined with Ore emotions (nothing wrong with them) makes them too much for some people.
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“I'm on the fence about Ore. I like him, but then he goes a bit OTT and I'm not sure again. I think he was overmarked last night, but disagree he was expecting 10s. I thought he was expecting much worse from the judges and was confused by their comments.
Agree that there's a danger the judges will push viewers away from them if they continue to gush. I see that they want to make this a competition with Danny, but like Kellie last year and Dr Hammy years ago, it will backfire.”
“I'm on the fence about Ore. I like him, but then he goes a bit OTT and I'm not sure again. I think he was overmarked last night, but disagree he was expecting 10s. I thought he was expecting much worse from the judges and was confused by their comments.
Agree that there's a danger the judges will push viewers away from them if they continue to gush. I see that they want to make this a competition with Danny, but like Kellie last year and Dr Hammy years ago, it will backfire.”
And Zoe in her year, they constantly marked her high and praised her. She didn't win and I think that might have been why.
Originally Posted by marinamau:
“If only he had been with another pro (someone with more "fire" like Oksana, Katya or Iveta) I think he would come across better.
Joanne is a fabulous ballroom dancer but has a extremely sweet sort of nature that combined with Ore emotions (nothing wrong with them) makes them too much for some people.”
“If only he had been with another pro (someone with more "fire" like Oksana, Katya or Iveta) I think he would come across better.
Joanne is a fabulous ballroom dancer but has a extremely sweet sort of nature that combined with Ore emotions (nothing wrong with them) makes them too much for some people.”
I can see where he comes from and I see where you come from too. He is naturally emotional and I take it the more people gush over him the more emotional he gets because he can't believe he is doing something right. I dont think he thinks he is better than he is.
I do think he's going to have to pull back from getting all tearful every week or he will suffer a backlash.
Originally Posted by Hamlet77:
“I do think he's going to have to pull back from getting all tearful every week or he will suffer a backlash.”
“I do think he's going to have to pull back from getting all tearful every week or he will suffer a backlash.”
He will find it hard to do that. Jo needs to stop feeding his emotions.
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I can see where he comes from and I see where you come from too. He is naturally emotional and I take it the more people gush over him the more emotional he gets because he can't believe he is doing something right. I dont think he thinks he is better than he is.”
“I can see where he comes from and I see where you come from too. He is naturally emotional and I take it the more people gush over him the more emotional he gets because he can't believe he is doing something right. I dont think he thinks he is better than he is.”
100% agree.
I do think he needs to mute his natural emotions on camera and more people will see what a lovely improvement he's made. The Waltz tonight while maybe not deserving of 9's was beautiful and very touching.
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“He will find it hard to do that. Jo needs to stop feeding his emotions.”
“He will find it hard to do that. Jo needs to stop feeding his emotions.”
That's for him and Jo to discuss, but it will get very annoying PDQ.
Originally Posted by J05h:
“Firstly I do like Ore but this whole emotional wreck thing is starting to wear thin he clearly thinks he is better than he is and last night when the judges gave their scores I think he expected 10s across the board maybe someone should let him know he constantly over marked. If this is judges idea of favouring him it's doing the complete opposite. This is what happened Kelly last season.”
“Firstly I do like Ore but this whole emotional wreck thing is starting to wear thin he clearly thinks he is better than he is and last night when the judges gave their scores I think he expected 10s across the board maybe someone should let him know he constantly over marked. If this is judges idea of favouring him it's doing the complete opposite. This is what happened Kelly last season.”
It isn't at all what happened with Kellie last series. She mostly scored in the high 20s/low 30s for the first two thirds of the series, and only topped the leaderboard once before the semi finals. Of course the idea that Kellie's push "backfired" doesn't really hold much water outside forum bitching either - it's not as though she was first out in the final.
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I can see where he comes from and I see where you come from too. He is naturally emotional and I take it the more people gush over him the more emotional he gets because he can't believe he is doing something right. I dont think he thinks he is better than he is.”
“I can see where he comes from and I see where you come from too. He is naturally emotional and I take it the more people gush over him the more emotional he gets because he can't believe he is doing something right. I dont think he thinks he is better than he is.”
I tend to agree although the 'tears' have got to stop. I don't like it that he is consistently over marked and that he and Joanne always seem to get the best musical choices. He is the judges' favourite I believe - along with Louise and perhaps Laura.
You'd think society would have learnt by now shaming men for having emotions does far more harm than just letting them be emotional.
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“It isn't at all what happened with Kellie last series. She mostly scored in the high 20s/low 30s for the first two thirds of the series, and only topped the leaderboard once before the semi finals. Of course the idea that Kellie's push "backfired" doesn't really hold much water outside forum bitching either - it's not as though she was first out in the final.”
“It isn't at all what happened with Kellie last series. She mostly scored in the high 20s/low 30s for the first two thirds of the series, and only topped the leaderboard once before the semi finals. Of course the idea that Kellie's push "backfired" doesn't really hold much water outside forum bitching either - it's not as though she was first out in the final.”
yes true she wasn't best example to use I think DVO was more accurate maybe although most the time she deserved her scores.
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“You'd think society would have learnt by now shaming men for having emotions does far more harm than just letting them be emotional.”
“You'd think society would have learnt by now shaming men for having emotions does far more harm than just letting them be emotional.”
I don't have a problem with guys been emotional far from it the first time he was overcome with the audience reaction fair enough second time it was hyped up jive far enough 3rd week in a row last night he verging on crying on again I know it's a stressfull show and everything but he needs to pull himself together a bit.
Originally Posted by Hamlet77:
“That's for him and Jo to discuss, but it will get very annoying PDQ.”
“That's for him and Jo to discuss, but it will get very annoying PDQ.”
You're right. I came across too judgmental.
Originally Posted by J05h:
“yes true she wasn't best example to use I think DVO was more accurate maybe although most the time she deserved her scores.”
“yes true she wasn't best example to use I think DVO was more accurate maybe although most the time she deserved her scores.”
Most of the backlash against Denise came about because she had loads of training and appeared to be trying to hide the fact though. Ore is pretty much a complete novice. If people are angling for a "seasonal villain" for Ore to track on to, he's probably a hybrid of Lisa Snowdon and Jason, except with much less genuine competition than the former (none of the women other than Louise seem at all popular, and none of the other men other than Danny are good enough dancers) and a slower start than the latter.
(Regards the judges favourite : Danny has been scored higher than any man in the history of Strictly so far, and more highly than all but one or two women. Yet people are calling him undermarked (and Zoe is pushing the line on It Takes Two with a lot of "why hasn't he got 10s yet, it's not fair"). At the moment, after a very dull first three weeks, I think at the moment things are best up for him in the long term)
Originally Posted by J05h:
“Firstly I do like Ore but this whole emotional wreck thing is starting to wear thin he clearly thinks he is better than he is and last night when the judges gave their scores I think he expected 10s across the board maybe someone should let him know he constantly over marked. If this is judges idea of favouring him it's doing the complete opposite. This is what happened Kelly last season.”
“Firstly I do like Ore but this whole emotional wreck thing is starting to wear thin he clearly thinks he is better than he is and last night when the judges gave their scores I think he expected 10s across the board maybe someone should let him know he constantly over marked. If this is judges idea of favouring him it's doing the complete opposite. This is what happened Kelly last season.”
Personally, I don't think Ore expected good scores at all. His demeanour, to me, especially at the comments table was of someone who thought he had stuffed up and was waiting for the axe to fall - and when it didn't he went a little bit OTT.
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Personally, I don't think Ore expected good scores at all. His demeanour, to me, especially at the comments table was of someone who thought he had stuffed up and was waiting for the axe to fall - and when it didn't he went a little bit OTT.”
“Personally, I don't think Ore expected good scores at all. His demeanour, to me, especially at the comments table was of someone who thought he had stuffed up and was waiting for the axe to fall - and when it didn't he went a little bit OTT.”
True, he did because he was expecting the worse.
He looked like he expected worse from the judges as opposed to 10s. He looked like he knew he could have done better. It's okay for men to be emotional. It's not Joanne's fault either for 'feeding his emotions' he's trying to hold back and that's all he can really do. I thought he looked terrified last night.
Originally Posted by nyannie:
“I tend to agree although the 'tears' have got to stop. I don't like it that he is consistently over marked and that he and Joanne always seem to get the best musical choices. He is the judges' favourite I believe - along with Louise and perhaps Laura.”
“I tend to agree although the 'tears' have got to stop. I don't like it that he is consistently over marked and that he and Joanne always seem to get the best musical choices. He is the judges' favourite I believe - along with Louise and perhaps Laura.”
The constant tears are grating on me as well. I agree with you about the musical scores. Some dancers get awful scores to dance to and others seem to get good scores which help enthuse the audience.
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“You'd think society would have learnt by now shaming men for having emotions does far more harm than just letting them be emotional.”
“You'd think society would have learnt by now shaming men for having emotions does far more harm than just letting them be emotional.”
You have a point. But also, when you had people like Mark Wright in the show who came from reality TV and knew very well how to play the cameras, it's no wonder some people might get a little suspicious of anyone crying or being emotional on the show.
In Ore's case I think they are genuine and if some people are just being annoyed and not being suspicious by his crying, well, they are the ones that have a problem, really. I genuinely can't understand why some people are annoyed by someone displaying emotions. Of course we have genuine emotions on one hand and demented of Snowdon's (coughs, Laura, coughs) levels on the other.
Since I'm not emotionally crippled nor all British and uncomfortable about men showing emotions, I don't find Ore being emotional at all annoying 
I think it's just a sign that he's putting himself under huge pressure each week and is very nervous when it comes time to perform. I think it showed slightly in his waltz last night and I hope for the sake of his dancing he can take a deep breath, keep calm and enjoy it.
I think it's just a sign that he's putting himself under huge pressure each week and is very nervous when it comes time to perform. I think it showed slightly in his waltz last night and I hope for the sake of his dancing he can take a deep breath, keep calm and enjoy it.
I was rooting for him pre series, and although I am in the minority (I liked his tango and his cha cha) so have liked 4/5 routines (not keen on waltzes full stop) I do not find he comes across as well as, say, Greg or Daisy.
The poor bugger cannot win to be fair - he started off as confident/mock nervous and people went Arrogant....now he is doing well but going for humble/ mock surprise and lots of Feelz and people are telling him to Man Up.
Someone put it far better in Post of the day, how hard it is to be a contestant in terms of how you come across.
I like his dancing very much but am not finding him easy to warm to. Not insincere just something a bit...forced, although I did laugh at the protest too much ''Jo, my old mate, my partner, my mucker'' bollocks which just needed a brotherly head rub. No Strictly Curse here. But I know why he felt the need to do that.
Louise is also not doing it for me. Kevin kissing her on the forehead in a rumba made me snort. It's a dance of love, passion, not brother-sister platonic nothing to see here either guff.
Danny with the ''I wasn't expecting that'' mantra (shit mantra, shit song) is also doing my head in (or was that Ore too? they are interchangeable) I like Danny when he delivers the shit punchline in his vts with a weary acceptance that he's in cahoots with the producers. I prefer confident/I'm decent to I was so nervous though. It all comes down to authenticity. Greg doesn't come over as faking. Nor does Daisy.
The poor bugger cannot win to be fair - he started off as confident/mock nervous and people went Arrogant....now he is doing well but going for humble/ mock surprise and lots of Feelz and people are telling him to Man Up.
Someone put it far better in Post of the day, how hard it is to be a contestant in terms of how you come across.
I like his dancing very much but am not finding him easy to warm to. Not insincere just something a bit...forced, although I did laugh at the protest too much ''Jo, my old mate, my partner, my mucker'' bollocks which just needed a brotherly head rub. No Strictly Curse here. But I know why he felt the need to do that.
Louise is also not doing it for me. Kevin kissing her on the forehead in a rumba made me snort. It's a dance of love, passion, not brother-sister platonic nothing to see here either guff.
Danny with the ''I wasn't expecting that'' mantra (shit mantra, shit song) is also doing my head in (or was that Ore too? they are interchangeable) I like Danny when he delivers the shit punchline in his vts with a weary acceptance that he's in cahoots with the producers. I prefer confident/I'm decent to I was so nervous though. It all comes down to authenticity. Greg doesn't come over as faking. Nor does Daisy.
I don't mind him being emotional so much but he has been overmarked and overpraised the last two weeks.
You could tell by his face at the end of his waltz that he thought he had stuffed up and was waiting to be lambasted by the judges. He looked stunned when they lavished praise on him instead.
My own take on it is that the judges have been told to big up Ore so that some of the attention is taken away from Danny being so good and a shoo in to win. They are trying to make it look more of a competition if you will. I think they should just leave well enough alone.
The real dark horse of the competition is Claudia imo - if AJ would just calm down a bit and stop throwing the kitchen sink at her!!
You could tell by his face at the end of his waltz that he thought he had stuffed up and was waiting to be lambasted by the judges. He looked stunned when they lavished praise on him instead.
My own take on it is that the judges have been told to big up Ore so that some of the attention is taken away from Danny being so good and a shoo in to win. They are trying to make it look more of a competition if you will. I think they should just leave well enough alone.
The real dark horse of the competition is Claudia imo - if AJ would just calm down a bit and stop throwing the kitchen sink at her!!
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