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What do we want different for 2017?
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Moany Liza
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“It can be categorised in a silo separate from society but it's shows like SCD that can be powerful in changing views and perceptions. I'm sorry but society is reinventing itself all the time.

Reactionary attitudes are prejudicial to change. It's not about inclination.”

I watch Strictly for entertainment and for no other reason. I don't regard it as a vehicle for social change - probably nor should anyone else.

I think you have failed to acknowledge my point about prejudice by twisting my words to make a point of your own, but no matter. We are all entitled to our own views.

As a final point, I would just say that tampering with what is a very successful formula, could be potentially damaging. It isn't a social commentary or experiment. It's also not a dating show, despite what the tabloids would have us believe... it's an entertainment show, based upon learning to dance. I don't particularly care if there is sexual chemistry between celebs and pros or not, so frankly their individual sexual orientations are of no interest to me.

They should just dance with whoever they are assigned to, or else don't do the show. Simple as that.
Cadiva
28-10-2016
I have absolutely no problem with the show as it is.

But, if I was going to change anything, it would be to only have two or four different dances (two Latin, two Balroom) each week so people can be properly compared.

I'd also stick to the Argentine Tango and Charleston going back to the quarter or semi-finals instead of randomly shoved throughout the show.
Dr Dave
28-10-2016
Drop the comedy VT fillers
Less props
Replace Tess
Stop forcing audience to their feet
Encourage judges to use a fuller range of marks
Drop the Halloween theme
B_OR
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“It is true. For example :

Judges Leaderboard + Public Vote = Total

Couple A - 12 + 2 = 14
Couple B - 11 + 3 = 14
Couple C - 10 + 4 = 14
Couple D - 9 + 5 = 14
Couple E - 8 + 6 = 14
Couple F - 7 + 7 = 14
Couple G - 6 + 8 = 14
Couple H - 5 + 9 = 14
Couple I - 4 + 10 = 14
Couple J - 3 + 11 = 14
Couple K - 2 + 1 = 3
Couple L - 1 + 12 = 13


Couple L gets 12 points as the public favourite, but is in the dance-off. Couple K dances better, and goes home. Mathematically, it is always possible, with a dance-off, if there are no ties, if the bottom couple is the most popular, the second last couple the least, and everyone else is in reverse order.”

You are right. I asked the mathematician and he said he stopped checking after week 8. It can happen every week as you have said. Well spotted.

In that case I think they should change the vote and make it more fair to the public.

Only put the bottom half (including the middle ranking couple in odd weeks) to the public vote. Then let the public fully decide on the bottom half, do not count the judges' scores at this point. The two couples with the lowest public votes go in the dance off to be judged again by the judges. Public favourites will always be saved. The judges also ensure their favourites proceed in the competition. It is a lot fairer than the present system that can eliminate the public favourite in a week.
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Artois:
“Go back to them all attempting the same two or three dances each week for comparison.
Clarify who does what i.e. stop blaming the celebs for things out of their control in the judging which seems to have become prevelent.
Judging should be more about the correct technique than it has become.
Stop using daft songs that don't fit the style to get down with the kids.”

Certainly the first three and the first one outside of theme weeks definately.

Also make the VT's about training not stupid rubbish like Kev and Louse do Paris only have stuff like that if a celeb's day job takes them somewhere interesting. If the family relatives were more interesting.
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Polly-T:
“Danny isn't the only one with prior dance training - Louise Rednapp and Ore both had dance training too - it just hasn't really been highlighted in their cases”

Oh it really has especially in Ore's case.
cmazza
28-10-2016
Gethin Jones and Claudia as the hosts
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by BeyonceCastle:
“Let the pros choose all their own music. Only intervene when more than one want the same track: in which case draw lots for it.”

Agreed - let them have a second pick as well - foisting music they don't like on them as stupid as is some of the daft theming they get stuck with.

Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“To put it simply:
Would I watch a show full of Dannys? Yes
Would I watch a show only composed of Eds? Jesus, no!”

Why does it have to be feast or famine? I don't want either. I like the mix how it is in spite of its flaws and contraversally the balance beween pulbic and judges including the dance off too. I'd rather put up with Ed longer than I'd like than have whom the judges deam we should like foisted on us and have no chance to save whom we do like for whatever reasons.
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“This is exactly what I said last week to a friend!



What they should do if a couple tie with another, is to give the points in a different manner. The BBC is the only place where a list is presented like this. After a tie the next couple down should be two points down, or if three couples are tied the next lowest should be three down!

Something like this:



Difficult to explain but the points should be spread evenly.”

No because the present system came in to stop the judges being able to effectively mean that someone had no hope of avoiding the dance-off - whether you personally liked Tom Chambers or not that wasn't fair and people noticed and complained and justice prevailed (and yes it was no matter what people said). Without the dance off there is no safety net at all for losing someone good but whom people just don't notice - at least with the dance-off there is some sort of way who preserving those who are the better ones. It's not perfect granted but then what is?
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by DeltaBlues:
“1. Someone familiar with ballroom & Latin for Head Judge - I'd go for Ian Waite.

2. Less faffing - fewer props; if a dance is supposed to be danced in hold then have it danced in hold, not 25% in hold and the rest wafting / sitting on a park bench (even if the bench is contracted to appear in more shows than half the pros)

3. Music chosen to fit the dance, with a suitable time signature - not shoehorned in to appeal to disillusioned ex-X-Factorites. There are thousands of great songs that have never been used yet which would work brilliantly (and some of them are even - gasp - quite recent).

4. Fewer pointless themes - I don't mind Movie/Musicals (although should be one or the other, not both) week and Hallowe'en week, but random dances in a non-theme week don't need a ridiculous "story" that will overpower the dance à la the Rinder Cow.

5. Less nastiness on the forum. Disagreement is fine, debate is fine, not liking something is fine but every year I think the level of mudslinging and downright rudeness - toward celebs and other FMs - can't get any worse, and every year some people manage to prove me wrong.”

I'd be good with all of these - although perhaps tone down the theming outside of movie week (ore doing a 60ish themed jive is fine but the Judge dancing around a cow in lederhosen is too far. I'd definately ban props outside of themed weeks).

5 - sadly is out of anyone's control - I've been You Tube. Trust me once you've dumb enough to comment on You Tube videos on gender issues with Trump supporters this place looks postively fluffy by comparison even poison Pen.
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by DUHO:
“That's just my opinion on Eve Pollards daughter. no more no less”

I can't care if she's Nina Miscow's daughter I like her.
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by reclinewithme:
“1. The pro dancers to choose the music for their routine, not the producers.
2. The training videos to show training and just training
3. Props BANNED! Well, OK, maybe a hat/cane/umbrella is OK, but not people flying down from the sky or going in and out of fake doors/cars/whatever.
4. Results show live.
5. Controversial but I'd prefer to hear the actual original records rather than the band doing them - it can be a bit cringeworthy sometimes!”

Sometimes like Nat's use of a door for Scott's jive and Ore and Joanna's use of an umbrella - a prop does add something and show off a celeb's skill but I think anyone with sense can see that there are over-used and often contribute to the faff factor.
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by DUHO:
“Indeed

I noticed she bursts into her stupid skip when walking onto the stage- from the trailers for the Buble show she hosted which will be shown next week.

cannot abide the woman”

I couldn't stand Brucie so I understand but also if I can put up with Brucie for the rest of the show then anyone who doesn't like Claudia can suck it up. You have a fast forward button or a kettle for a reason.
MaryS
28-10-2016
I'd like to see Kevin get a duffer for a change & I think Brian McFadden (ex- Westlife) would make a great host.He's already fronted a couple of shows,one's just finished it's 3rd run & he too k part in that ITV dancing comp too.
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by QwaarJet:
“I honestly didn't think I'd be attacked like this. Some very nasty people on this forum when someone has a differing view. Not necessarily you, but some of the other responses.

My problem with your post is that you bring out the tired reasons of "political correctness" and "box ticking". Straight celebs get to dance with the gender they are attracted to, why shouldn't gay celebs?



Are you serious? When has a gay celebrity ever had sexual chemistry during a Rumba, Argentine Tango etc.? It's impossible, and as I said puts them at an immediate disadvantage.

There would be some practical difficulties, but considering there would probably only be 1 or 2 same-sex couples each series, these are difficulties that could be worked out, depending on the size of the celebrities involved. Natalie would be good for it. They could pair her with a smaller female celeb and have her do the more "masculine" role. A smaller man like AJ could play the "feminine" role and I doubt any male celeb would have problems lifting him.

There have been several different versions of Strictly across the world that have incorporated same-sex couples, and somehow the world didn't end, and they worked through any difficulties. I would think someone one of the most LGBT friendly countries in the world would find a way to make it work. Why? Because it's unfair to deny someone a partner of the gender they are attracted to, just because some people think it would be a "hassle" or heaven forbid, spoil things for those whose world is straight men are masculine, straight women are feminine, and apparently all gay men are camp as Christmas.

I have no doubt there will be a same-sex couple within the next couple of seasons, and the reaction to that on this forum will be very telling. It'll probably start with :

"I have no problem with gay people, but..."

Sure.



Hahaha, OK.”

A lot indeed I would say most SCD great dancing partnerships have nowt to do with sexual attraction between the couples and some like Joe Calzage and Rachel Riley were still not great in spite of them and their dance partners being attracted to each other.

Julian Clary and Erin Boag probably made the final on the strength of their partnership and a lot of Erin's partnerships seem to have worked for rather than against the partnership in spite of her partners being in relationships with other people and for much of her career on SCD she was dating the guy she went on to married - her most engaging partnership I think was at that stage and was with a happily married family man whom she even babysitted for so he could have a night out with his wife.

Ramps and Karen, Alesha and Matt (nothing to indicate they were anything other than mates in spite of the shipping of some of their fans), both of the final two couples of series six appear to have taken a while to actually gel with each other and yet they still produced some great dancing (one of them a rhumba no less), Cola weren't a sexual charged partnership - James certainly didn't appear to feel threatened by it, Ailona didn't date any of her partners (despite all the rumours about the last one) and Pasha didn't date any of the halves of his more succesful partnerships. Vincent's most successful ones seemed to be with women whom had he dated it would have been creepy due to them being really young and were more avuncular or big brother in nature. These are just the ones I can think of on the top my head - people remember some of the ones which did result in relationship which had a certain je ne sais quo as a result but you don't neccessarily need it to have a great or successful partnership. A lot of the both pros and celebs are married or in relationships and most of them don't break up as a result of being on the show - the age gaps between the celebs and pros can be pretty large in some cases too.

Most of the gay men on the show seem to have done as well as they were going to with anyone and the only one I think were dancing with another bloke might have made a different was Scott Mills as he was a dude who could have done with being more in his comfort zone.

As has been said - I think there are issues other than tradition of how things work the way they do and it's not to do with dancing with whom you fancy.
Fatima502
28-10-2016
Don't replace Len. Just have three judges. The show would be slicker.
katmobile
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Well, to be fair, Artem did struggle a bit to hold onto James in some of those postures. Plus James was too tall for some of the moves to work properly.”

Perhaps Artem needed to be the lady
Fatima502
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Behind what times?

There have always been on Strictly, a few gay male pros, dancing with female partners. Even gay male celebrities, dancing with female professionals. Absolutely no problems there, None of them have been "camp."
Two males or two females dancing together in a ballroom dance competition, would look silly.

Not even the BBC would be as daft as to allow it.”

You missed out the gay male judges
Fatima502
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by reclinewithme:
“1. The pro dancers to choose the music for their routine, not the producers.
2. The training videos to show training and just training
3. Props BANNED! Well, OK, maybe a hat/cane/umbrella is OK, but not people flying down from the sky or going in and out of fake doors/cars/whatever.
4. Results show live.
5. Controversial but I'd prefer to hear the actual original records rather than the band doing them - it can be a bit cringeworthy sometimes!”

1-2-3 yes
4 no because it is a slick edit and actually feels live to me
5 no, because how many original records are 90 seconds long. They'd need to be edited and that's going to be expensive
Mrs Eyre
28-10-2016
1 Get rid of the ghastly " ... so to get in the mood for the Paso, Pro took Celeb to a
bullfight" things. Ugh. Just show us the training.

2 The audience to stop booing whenever a judge says anything critical

3 Sit down, Bruno

4 Criticism of the choreography should be leveled squarely at the professional and the
celebrity judged on how well they performed it.
sandix
29-10-2016
Originally Posted by Artois:
“Go back to them all attempting the same two or three dances each week for comparison.
Clarify who does what i.e. stop blaming the celebs for things out of their control in the judging which seems to have become prevelent.
Judging should be more about the correct technique than it has become.
Stop using daft songs that don't fit the style to get down with the kids.”

Totally agree - plus fewer props and less of the stupid VT's. Let the pro's have the final say on the choice of music
Gordon_Nobes
29-10-2016
I would like to see a show dance included before the final.
Hershey2
30-10-2016
I've said this before but it really bugs me, for Tess to stop clutching the celebs hands and to stop chipping in with comments when Craig is speaking.

I would be happy if it was only 3 judges, am not a Karen Hardy fan so not too delighted to hear she is a contender to replace Len.

Actually wouldn't be sorry to lose Darcy, adding 'yeah' to the end of a sentence is annoying.

To stop any dance training anywhere other than the studio.
LDN_STMW
30-10-2016
Get rid of the annoying VT's. I just want to see them training! Family members or whoever coming to training or them going to someone's place of work is fine, Louise & Kevin going to Paris (literally had nothing to do with their dance other than the Eiffel Tower being behind them!) or Rinder & Oksana going to a butterfly house just annoys me.

The theming, is such a distraction. I don't care for it, maybe I'm dull but I don't want to see Ed Balls doing an AS to is this the way to Amarillo. He deserves better than to be mocked and I don't find it entertaining- let him wear a lovely suit and dance to Frank Sinatra and be elegant and classy!
madetomeasure
30-10-2016
Get rid of Bruno
Give Kevin the biggest duffer of all mother duffers
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